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	<title>Comments on: Another goof from the well-managed Obama campaign: never mind</title>
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		<title>By: Assistant Village Idiot</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/09/12/another-goof-from-the-well-managed-obama-campaign-never-mind/#comment-85403</link>
		<dc:creator>Assistant Village Idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sashal, I see the point you are trying to make and it has some merit.  But misrepresenting your opponent&#039;s positions is ultimately advocacy rather than discussion.  Which you might have picked up if you&#039;d thought about the culture here...

That&#039;s not just snark.  That goes to the heart of it.  You didn&#039;t use what you did know when you needed it.  There is not a person on the planet who knows enough about the countries and cultures the next president will have to deal with to be of any advantage whatsoever.  Greater is the danger that a little knowledge plus arrogance will fool a president into thinking he knows more than he does and acting accordingly.  That, and not reflexive nationalism, is why conservatives are highly suspicious of those who think the tidbits they picked up talking with urbane people are valuable.

Example:  I have two Romanian sons and have traveled to Romania many times.  I know a lot of Romanian history and culture and have some sense of how Romanians think.  If I were president and thought for one minute that I was therefore even 1% qualified to make decisions about our interaction with Romania without seeking advice, I would be a complete ass.

Well, okay, I&#039;d be a complete ass either way.  But you take my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sashal, I see the point you are trying to make and it has some merit.  But misrepresenting your opponent&#8217;s positions is ultimately advocacy rather than discussion.  Which you might have picked up if you&#8217;d thought about the culture here&#8230;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not just snark.  That goes to the heart of it.  You didn&#8217;t use what you did know when you needed it.  There is not a person on the planet who knows enough about the countries and cultures the next president will have to deal with to be of any advantage whatsoever.  Greater is the danger that a little knowledge plus arrogance will fool a president into thinking he knows more than he does and acting accordingly.  That, and not reflexive nationalism, is why conservatives are highly suspicious of those who think the tidbits they picked up talking with urbane people are valuable.</p>
<p>Example:  I have two Romanian sons and have traveled to Romania many times.  I know a lot of Romanian history and culture and have some sense of how Romanians think.  If I were president and thought for one minute that I was therefore even 1% qualified to make decisions about our interaction with Romania without seeking advice, I would be a complete ass.</p>
<p>Well, okay, I&#8217;d be a complete ass either way.  But you take my point.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/09/12/another-goof-from-the-well-managed-obama-campaign-never-mind/#comment-85395</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got to admit, Tom, the music is nice if you like opera.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got to admit, Tom, the music is nice if you like opera.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom the Redhunter</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/09/12/another-goof-from-the-well-managed-obama-campaign-never-mind/#comment-85337</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom the Redhunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;juvenile&quot; defines the Obama campaign.  Remember, this is the group that thought it was oh-so-cool to announce their VP pick by text-message.   

If you really want to see something scary, take a look at this video Andrew Sullivan has on his blog

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/les-misbarack.html

The scary thing is that I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a spoof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;juvenile&#8221; defines the Obama campaign.  Remember, this is the group that thought it was oh-so-cool to announce their VP pick by text-message.   </p>
<p>If you really want to see something scary, take a look at this video Andrew Sullivan has on his blog</p>
<p><a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/les-misbarack.html" rel="nofollow">http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/les-misbarack.html</a></p>
<p>The scary thing is that I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a spoof.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had a shoulder tendon injury, so I know the range of motion it takes to move a mouse and type.

It&#039;s not hard, but you will notice that you DO move your shoulders and some of the muscles in there when using mouse or keyboard. Not a lot, but still, some.

And if your shoulders are messed up joint wise, that means any motion there is not exactly &quot;nice&quot;. Even if you could move a mouse and use keys, you won&#039;t be able to do it for long. Not like we can.

Typing as much as I have? How many times have I moved my right hand from the keys to the mouse, back again, and so forth and so on? How many times have I used the small muscles in my shoulders, not just my arms, when doing so?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had a shoulder tendon injury, so I know the range of motion it takes to move a mouse and type.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not hard, but you will notice that you DO move your shoulders and some of the muscles in there when using mouse or keyboard. Not a lot, but still, some.</p>
<p>And if your shoulders are messed up joint wise, that means any motion there is not exactly &#8220;nice&#8221;. Even if you could move a mouse and use keys, you won&#8217;t be able to do it for long. Not like we can.</p>
<p>Typing as much as I have? How many times have I moved my right hand from the keys to the mouse, back again, and so forth and so on? How many times have I used the small muscles in my shoulders, not just my arms, when doing so?</p>
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		<title>By: cSimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>cSimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.  By the way, not too long ago, there were no computers in The White House.  They hired secretaries, imagine that!  And the world remained in orbit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.  By the way, not too long ago, there were no computers in The White House.  They hired secretaries, imagine that!  And the world remained in orbit.</p>
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		<title>By: cSimon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/09/12/another-goof-from-the-well-managed-obama-campaign-never-mind/#comment-85292</link>
		<dc:creator>cSimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most reasonable people who are acquainted with the use of a computer as a means of communication and dissemination of information efficiently, also know that it takes about a nanosecond with Google and other search engines to find a quote or article to support an idea they propose.  State your &quot;fact&quot;   (a.k.a. hypothesis, accusation, rumor, et al.)  and then press the button (key) that will give you some support.  You&#039;re brilliant.  Except most stop then and there and never further investigate the provenance of the information they mean to use as &quot;proof.&quot;

So much for all these new computer technos whose pride re basic physical finger skills  far exceeds their ability to think, let alone, have and use the knowledge of how to make an argument, and then procede to support it with logical and substantial thought.

(Just as an aside, do since the ubiquitousness of computers, do kids learn to actually write with fingers and pencils/pens anymore other than develop a flourished scribble for credit card use?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most reasonable people who are acquainted with the use of a computer as a means of communication and dissemination of information efficiently, also know that it takes about a nanosecond with Google and other search engines to find a quote or article to support an idea they propose.  State your &#8220;fact&#8221;   (a.k.a. hypothesis, accusation, rumor, et al.)  and then press the button (key) that will give you some support.  You&#8217;re brilliant.  Except most stop then and there and never further investigate the provenance of the information they mean to use as &#8220;proof.&#8221;</p>
<p>So much for all these new computer technos whose pride re basic physical finger skills  far exceeds their ability to think, let alone, have and use the knowledge of how to make an argument, and then procede to support it with logical and substantial thought.</p>
<p>(Just as an aside, do since the ubiquitousness of computers, do kids learn to actually write with fingers and pencils/pens anymore other than develop a flourished scribble for credit card use?)</p>
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		<title>By: Occam's Beard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Occam's Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, sashal. With Obama we would have someone with intimate knowledge of...Indonesia. (At least as it was 40 years ago.) And who has cruised through Kenya to say howdy to the relatives.

Oh, and went on the Griswold &quot;Pig in a Poke&quot; world tour, perhaps got a beret that said &quot;Barry&quot; on it.

And let&#039;s not forget eating a variety of national cuisines at Chicago restaurants. Money can&#039;t buy that kind of experience. Well, it can, but you know what I mean.

And he stood in front of styrofoam Greek columns at his beatification, so we can check the box for Greece.

Yessir, he does have lots of foreign experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, sashal. With Obama we would have someone with intimate knowledge of&#8230;Indonesia. (At least as it was 40 years ago.) And who has cruised through Kenya to say howdy to the relatives.</p>
<p>Oh, and went on the Griswold &#8220;Pig in a Poke&#8221; world tour, perhaps got a beret that said &#8220;Barry&#8221; on it.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not forget eating a variety of national cuisines at Chicago restaurants. Money can&#8217;t buy that kind of experience. Well, it can, but you know what I mean.</p>
<p>And he stood in front of styrofoam Greek columns at his beatification, so we can check the box for Greece.</p>
<p>Yessir, he does have lots of foreign experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People should notice that sashal turns something he needs to defend into something he can attack Palin for.

This is how the Left operates. This how they think. You cannot change faith nor fix it. Faith fixes you. And in this, the Left&#039;s faith in Obama surely will &lt;i&gt;fix&lt;/i&gt; you.

&lt;b&gt;Robert Kagan, prominent neoconservative says it’s elitist to expect a President of the United States to be knowledgeable about national security issues:&lt;/b&gt;

In case people hadn&#039;t noticed, Sarah isn&#039;t President, yet.

You don&#039;t think the Left is a bit too premature in fighting President Sarah Palin now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People should notice that sashal turns something he needs to defend into something he can attack Palin for.</p>
<p>This is how the Left operates. This how they think. You cannot change faith nor fix it. Faith fixes you. And in this, the Left&#8217;s faith in Obama surely will <i>fix</i> you.</p>
<p><b>Robert Kagan, prominent neoconservative says it’s elitist to expect a President of the United States to be knowledgeable about national security issues:</b></p>
<p>In case people hadn&#8217;t noticed, Sarah isn&#8217;t President, yet.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t think the Left is a bit too premature in fighting President Sarah Palin now?</p>
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		<title>By: david foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>david foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Our economy wouldn’t survive without the Internet, and cyber-security continues to represent one our most serious national security threats,” (an Obama spokesman said). “It’s extraordinary that someone who wants to be our president and our commander in chief doesn’t know how to send an e-mail.”

Using email doesn&#039;t teach you anything about how the Internet works or about the security and regulatory issues facing it.

&quot;Progressives&quot; tend to view people largely in terms of their consumption patterns, and this is more of the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Our economy wouldn’t survive without the Internet, and cyber-security continues to represent one our most serious national security threats,” (an Obama spokesman said). “It’s extraordinary that someone who wants to be our president and our commander in chief doesn’t know how to send an e-mail.”</p>
<p>Using email doesn&#8217;t teach you anything about how the Internet works or about the security and regulatory issues facing it.</p>
<p>&#8220;Progressives&#8221; tend to view people largely in terms of their consumption patterns, and this is more of the same.</p>
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		<title>By: sashal</title>
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		<dc:creator>sashal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for expat.
Army Times, which is not--last time I checked--a radical left wing publication, takes John McCain to task for changing his position on the Future Combat Systems program. This is yet another example of how running for President has driven McCain off the deep end. In the past, he was one of the more consistent voices against foolish Pentagon weapon systems. Here&#039;s a program that McCain previously wanted to end. Then Obama says he wants to slow-walk it...and McCain--reflexively, it appears, and unable to recall that he previously opposed it--decides to support it.

A lost opportunity, I&#039;d say: If McCain really wanted to prove his reform credentials, he would have said, &quot;Sen. Obama has proved how little he knows about weapons systems. We don&#039;t need to slow-walk FCS. We need to kill it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for expat.<br />
Army Times, which is not&#8211;last time I checked&#8211;a radical left wing publication, takes John McCain to task for changing his position on the Future Combat Systems program. This is yet another example of how running for President has driven McCain off the deep end. In the past, he was one of the more consistent voices against foolish Pentagon weapon systems. Here&#8217;s a program that McCain previously wanted to end. Then Obama says he wants to slow-walk it&#8230;and McCain&#8211;reflexively, it appears, and unable to recall that he previously opposed it&#8211;decides to support it.</p>
<p>A lost opportunity, I&#8217;d say: If McCain really wanted to prove his reform credentials, he would have said, &#8220;Sen. Obama has proved how little he knows about weapons systems. We don&#8217;t need to slow-walk FCS. We need to kill it.&#8221;</p>
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