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	<title>Comments on: Wall Street is not reassured, and neither are we</title>
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		<title>By: Elise</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/06/wall-street-is-not-reassured-and-neither-are-we/#comment-87938</link>
		<dc:creator>Elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You’re welcome, Bryan C, and you have a good point, also. I would have preferred a clean bill with only changes directly related to the crisis. However, having dug through this, I have to agree that the argument, “This isn’t really a crisis because the Senate is frittering away time making up earmarks” loses a lot of its punch once you realize all those extras were sitting around waiting to be packaged up as sweeteners.

As for the CRA, a 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2008/10/financial-crisis-in-plain-english.html#2240079644624856618&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;commenter&lt;/a&gt; at TigerHawk put it very well:

&lt;i&gt;Focusing on CRA ignores the elephant argument: regardless of which law, the Congress, led by Dodds Shumer Frank, dictated the rules by which Fannie and Freddie lost over $3 Trillion.

Follow the money, you win the ideological argument by default. Follow the ideological argument, and the money is forgotten in the rush to defend housing for all. It&#039;s the money that matters most, even to those who want to preserve and defend low income housing.&lt;/i&gt;

(Every so often I read or hear what I’m saying and I’m appalled at how easily we are all now throwing around amounts in the &lt;b&gt;trillions&lt;/b&gt;. I was talking to someone yesterday about the exposure to credit default swaps and I first said “million”, then corrected myself to “billion”. My conversational partner gently pointed out to me that we were actually talking about “trillion”. Ugh.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You’re welcome, Bryan C, and you have a good point, also. I would have preferred a clean bill with only changes directly related to the crisis. However, having dug through this, I have to agree that the argument, “This isn’t really a crisis because the Senate is frittering away time making up earmarks” loses a lot of its punch once you realize all those extras were sitting around waiting to be packaged up as sweeteners.</p>
<p>As for the CRA, a<br />
<a href="http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2008/10/financial-crisis-in-plain-english.html#2240079644624856618" rel="nofollow">commenter</a> at TigerHawk put it very well:</p>
<p><i>Focusing on CRA ignores the elephant argument: regardless of which law, the Congress, led by Dodds Shumer Frank, dictated the rules by which Fannie and Freddie lost over $3 Trillion.</p>
<p>Follow the money, you win the ideological argument by default. Follow the ideological argument, and the money is forgotten in the rush to defend housing for all. It&#8217;s the money that matters most, even to those who want to preserve and defend low income housing.</i></p>
<p>(Every so often I read or hear what I’m saying and I’m appalled at how easily we are all now throwing around amounts in the <b>trillions</b>. I was talking to someone yesterday about the exposure to credit default swaps and I first said “million”, then corrected myself to “billion”. My conversational partner gently pointed out to me that we were actually talking about “trillion”. Ugh.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan C</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/06/wall-street-is-not-reassured-and-neither-are-we/#comment-87937</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Elise, that&#039;s very informative. I did some poking around on the original House bill but apparently I didn&#039;t dig as far as I should. Still, I think the issue is more complex than some people think (that the Senate and House wasted time during a crisis while writing in sweetheart deals out of nowhere.)

Oh, and good point about the CRA. The CRA was a product of the same Congressional mindset that pushed Fannie and Freddie to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/business/05fannie.html?pagewanted=print&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;embrace bad risks&lt;/a&gt; but it&#039;s not all the same thing. I think some people are using the CRA as a catch-all for the larger issue, which unfortunately makes it harder to argue the actual facts when critics wave away the actual CRA as unimportant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Elise, that&#8217;s very informative. I did some poking around on the original House bill but apparently I didn&#8217;t dig as far as I should. Still, I think the issue is more complex than some people think (that the Senate and House wasted time during a crisis while writing in sweetheart deals out of nowhere.)</p>
<p>Oh, and good point about the CRA. The CRA was a product of the same Congressional mindset that pushed Fannie and Freddie to <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/business/05fannie.html?pagewanted=print" rel="nofollow">embrace bad risks</a> but it&#8217;s not all the same thing. I think some people are using the CRA as a catch-all for the larger issue, which unfortunately makes it harder to argue the actual facts when critics wave away the actual CRA as unimportant.</p>
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		<title>By: Elise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m torn about whether to blame CRA for any of this mess. I have yet to see hard statistics on default rates of these loans. However, I certainly do not believe CRA by itself caused this mess and it may not have been a huge direct factor. On the other hand, Fan-Fred rehabilitated themselves after the accounting scandals by becoming the poster child for affordable housing and both Congress and HUD permitted Fan-Fred to conflate “subprime” as “affordable housing”. Even if no banks were coerced into making bad loans, the fact that Fan-Fred were happy to buy their junk meant lenders could make high-profit loans with very little risk. This was a bad idea. See both &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.28704/pub_detail.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AEI&lt;/a&gt; and neo’s earlier post on “For want of a nail”.

The bailout did not contain only previously passed by the House, certain to pass by the Senate provisions. The Bailout bill is HR-1424. The original HR-1424 was passed by the House on March 5, 2008, 268-148, and contained only the provisions for equitable treatment of mental health care. The Senate took that bill as their &quot;shell&quot;. They added into it the provisions of HR-6049 which had passed the House on May 21, 2008, 263-160. HR-6049 contained the energy tax credits and the alternative minimum tax provisions.

After the original HR-1424 was passed by the House in May, no action had been taken on it by the Senate before it was transformed into the bailout. After HR-6049 was passed by the House in May, it failed two cloture votes in the Senate in June.

HR-1424 was also amended to pick up other provisions such as exempting wooden bows and arrow for children from an excise tax (originally introduced as HR-6564, never acted on) and allowing Exxon Valdez plaintiffs to income average (HR-1334, never acted on). There seem to be other provisions in HR-1424 (See Title V, Subtitle A) but I have not tracked down their origins.

An excellent source for tracking these bills is www.govtrack.us/congress</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m torn about whether to blame CRA for any of this mess. I have yet to see hard statistics on default rates of these loans. However, I certainly do not believe CRA by itself caused this mess and it may not have been a huge direct factor. On the other hand, Fan-Fred rehabilitated themselves after the accounting scandals by becoming the poster child for affordable housing and both Congress and HUD permitted Fan-Fred to conflate “subprime” as “affordable housing”. Even if no banks were coerced into making bad loans, the fact that Fan-Fred were happy to buy their junk meant lenders could make high-profit loans with very little risk. This was a bad idea. See both <a href="http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.28704/pub_detail.asp" rel="nofollow">AEI</a> and neo’s earlier post on “For want of a nail”.</p>
<p>The bailout did not contain only previously passed by the House, certain to pass by the Senate provisions. The Bailout bill is HR-1424. The original HR-1424 was passed by the House on March 5, 2008, 268-148, and contained only the provisions for equitable treatment of mental health care. The Senate took that bill as their &#8220;shell&#8221;. They added into it the provisions of HR-6049 which had passed the House on May 21, 2008, 263-160. HR-6049 contained the energy tax credits and the alternative minimum tax provisions.</p>
<p>After the original HR-1424 was passed by the House in May, no action had been taken on it by the Senate before it was transformed into the bailout. After HR-6049 was passed by the House in May, it failed two cloture votes in the Senate in June.</p>
<p>HR-1424 was also amended to pick up other provisions such as exempting wooden bows and arrow for children from an excise tax (originally introduced as HR-6564, never acted on) and allowing Exxon Valdez plaintiffs to income average (HR-1334, never acted on). There seem to be other provisions in HR-1424 (See Title V, Subtitle A) but I have not tracked down their origins.</p>
<p>An excellent source for tracking these bills is <a href="http://www.govtrack.us/congress" rel="nofollow">http://www.govtrack.us/congress</a></p>
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		<title>By: daveg</title>
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		<dc:creator>daveg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that, if nothing else, it is going to be critically important not to conflate &#039;regulation&#039; with &#039;social engineering&#039; as we look back to determine cause and forward to determine fix.

I&#039;m far more in favor of &#039;de-social engineering&#039; than I am in favor of &#039;deregulation.&#039;

I&#039;m opposed, however, to knee jerk reactions to increase either or both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that, if nothing else, it is going to be critically important not to conflate &#8216;regulation&#8217; with &#8216;social engineering&#8217; as we look back to determine cause and forward to determine fix.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m far more in favor of &#8216;de-social engineering&#8217; than I am in favor of &#8216;deregulation.&#8217;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m opposed, however, to knee jerk reactions to increase either or both.</p>
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		<title>By: The Thunder Run</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Thunder Run</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Web Reconnaissance for 10/07/2008...&lt;/strong&gt;

A short recon of whats out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day...so check back often....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Web Reconnaissance for 10/07/2008&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>A short recon of whats out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day&#8230;so check back often&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: DBrooks</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/06/wall-street-is-not-reassured-and-neither-are-we/#comment-87923</link>
		<dc:creator>DBrooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work in the financial industry, and this &quot;thing&quot; is not anywhere near over.  Not to be all gloom and doom, but wait until the public starts to become aware of the situation with public-funded pension plans.  Just for example, the Illinois state pension plan is something like $44 billion dollars in debt, and that is not atypical of many of these types of plans.  When that news begins to percolate through the system, you are going to see some real panic set in.  I think we might see the Dow below 8,000 before it is all done, and we may be looking at a multi-year stagnancy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work in the financial industry, and this &#8220;thing&#8221; is not anywhere near over.  Not to be all gloom and doom, but wait until the public starts to become aware of the situation with public-funded pension plans.  Just for example, the Illinois state pension plan is something like $44 billion dollars in debt, and that is not atypical of many of these types of plans.  When that news begins to percolate through the system, you are going to see some real panic set in.  I think we might see the Dow below 8,000 before it is all done, and we may be looking at a multi-year stagnancy.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Credit is flowing somewhere Ray Vincent and American Equity Mortage are still running saturation ads that &quot;now is the best time to refinance&quot; @ 5.3%. I heard them both to and from work yesterday. They stick in my head because they are so annoying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Credit is flowing somewhere Ray Vincent and American Equity Mortage are still running saturation ads that &#8220;now is the best time to refinance&#8221; @ 5.3%. I heard them both to and from work yesterday. They stick in my head because they are so annoying.</p>
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		<title>By: sergey</title>
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		<dc:creator>sergey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem here seems is not partisan or bipartisan, but systemic. Political system as such does not work. The fact that people are greedy and unscrupulous is not explanation of its inefficiency: peoples are always such, and the smart system MUST take it as granted and still be efficient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem here seems is not partisan or bipartisan, but systemic. Political system as such does not work. The fact that people are greedy and unscrupulous is not explanation of its inefficiency: peoples are always such, and the smart system MUST take it as granted and still be efficient.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Web:  Having never been married, I cannot relate.
So, I&#039;ll accept your word that it is not a good thing :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Web:  Having never been married, I cannot relate.<br />
So, I&#8217;ll accept your word that it is not a good thing <img src='http://neoneocon.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Webutante</title>
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		<dc:creator>Webutante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There you go Paul.  This was far too sassy a decline today for it to be the end or even nearly the end.  We&#039;re are indeed about to turn. When things really get bad someday, we will go into a long term languish kind of like the end of a bad marriage....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There you go Paul.  This was far too sassy a decline today for it to be the end or even nearly the end.  We&#8217;re are indeed about to turn. When things really get bad someday, we will go into a long term languish kind of like the end of a bad marriage&#8230;.</p>
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