Comments on: Our brilliant press: this would be funny if it weren’t so sad http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/ Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:59:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1 By: Jamie Irons http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87941 Jamie Irons Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:46:22 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87941 Neo, I've been directed a few times before to the Global Labor and Politics site, and have read other entries. He seems to be an honest writer, though many of his views are rather to the left, which of course may make him even more credible in this context. In one of his pieces, he mentioned a fellow named Staughton Lynd, whom I recalled from my undergraduate days at Yale. Lynd was a lecturer and highly controversial peace activist, and I was surprised to find that he was still active and still writing, and had not changed his views one iota! Jamie Irons Neo,

I’ve been directed a few times before to the Global Labor and Politics site, and have read other entries. He seems to be an honest writer, though many of his views are rather to the left, which of course may make him even more credible in this context.

In one of his pieces, he mentioned a fellow named Staughton Lynd, whom I recalled from my undergraduate days at Yale. Lynd was a lecturer and highly controversial peace activist, and I was surprised to find that he was still active and still writing, and had not changed his views one iota!

Jamie Irons

]]> By: Dave http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87946 Dave Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:11:57 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87946 Touche' Touche’

]]> By: PapaMAS http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87947 PapaMAS Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:21:49 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87947 God, they are disgusting. Pathetic. They are so hell bent on slamming her they find no need to check the "facts." I mean, it's obvious Palin has no clue what she is talking about, so why bother? Expect a retraction of some kind? Heck, no. If it gets mentioned at all we will get another Rather-esque, "The document may be a forgery, but the story is still true." God, they are disgusting. Pathetic. They are so hell bent on slamming her they find no need to check the “facts.” I mean, it’s obvious Palin has no clue what she is talking about, so why bother?

Expect a retraction of some kind? Heck, no. If it gets mentioned at all we will get another Rather-esque, “The document may be a forgery, but the story is still true.”

]]> By: Obama is a dirty fucking liar | Cold Fury http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87955 Obama is a dirty fucking liar | Cold Fury Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:21:32 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87955 [...] EJ Dionne is a stupid fucking hack propagandist. Category: Second Coming &#9830 [...] […] EJ Dionne is a stupid fucking hack propagandist. Category: Second Coming &#9830 […]

]]> By: rplat http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87956 rplat Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:26:08 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87956 In as much as she was absolutely correct and was referring to Maliki and Talibani, the Iraqi president, one can only conclude the Dionne is a pompous turd and total dumb ass. In as much as she was absolutely correct and was referring to Maliki and Talibani, the Iraqi president, one can only conclude the Dionne is a pompous turd and total dumb ass.

]]> By: Dave in Texas http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87957 Dave in Texas Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:29:16 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87957 hilarious. nicely done hilarious. nicely done

]]> By: Pam http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87958 Pam Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:38:49 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87958 Dionne and the Dionne Quints. I'm laughing my @#$ off. You go Neo NeoCon. I found you because of Ace; I'll be checking back in. Good Stuff, Good Stuff! Dionne and the Dionne Quints. I’m laughing my @#$ off. You go Neo NeoCon. I found you because of Ace; I’ll be checking back in.

Good Stuff, Good Stuff!

]]> By: toby928 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87959 toby928 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:43:08 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87959 It is to laugh It is to laugh

]]> By: Oh, bother http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87960 Oh, bother Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:48:47 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87960 Re: Rehm and Dionne: Hacks. To Neo: *grin* Elegantly done. Re: Rehm and Dionne: Hacks. To Neo: *grin* Elegantly done.

]]> By: Nice Deb http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87962 Nice Deb Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:59:26 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87962 Wait...Dionne....didn't he sing with the Belmonts? Wait…Dionne….didn’t he sing with the Belmonts?

]]> By: Andi S. http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87963 Andi S. Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:01:01 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87963 But are you sure E.J. Dionne *isn't* one of the Dionne Quintuplets, secretly living as a male Washington Post columnist as part of an intricate cover-up? Why have we not seen his birth certificate? Release the DNA tests! Can you prove it didn't happen? But are you sure E.J. Dionne *isn’t* one of the Dionne Quintuplets, secretly living as a male Washington Post columnist as part of an intricate cover-up? Why have we not seen his birth certificate? Release the DNA tests! Can you prove it didn’t happen?

]]> By: Townhall: McCain’s gotta speak to & for America | The Anchoress http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87967 Townhall: McCain’s gotta speak to & for America | The Anchoress Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:30:41 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87967 [...] and ink barrels of the mainstream press. Obama doesn’t have to do much of anything if the barely knowledgeable and completely agendized press is going to carry him to victory on their [...] […] and ink barrels of the mainstream press. Obama doesn’t have to do much of anything if the barely knowledgeable and completely agendized press is going to carry him to victory on their […]

]]> By: Our brilliant press: this would be funny if it weren’t so sad - Political Wrinkles http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87984 Our brilliant press: this would be funny if it weren’t so sad - Political Wrinkles Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:34:57 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87984 [...] brilliant press: this would be funny if it weren’t so sad Our brilliant press: this would be funny if it weren’t so sad [...] […] brilliant press: this would be funny if it weren’t so sad Our brilliant press: this would be funny if it weren’t so sad […]

]]> By: She Said He Said | Striving For Average http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87985 She Said He Said | Striving For Average Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:46:35 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87985 [...] If you’re still confused, Neo-neocon has pictures to help. [...] […] If you’re still confused, Neo-neocon has pictures to help. […]

]]> By: PGH http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87988 PGH Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:23:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87988 A New Blood Libel against McCain; I served on an aircraft carrier, the Kennedy,was in a damage control party & went to damage control and firefighting school...There we studied the Forrestal fire of 67..We broke the video down piece learning from mistakes the fire parties made..( After covering burning fuel in fire smothering foam, hose parties washed away he foam allowing the fuel to reignite.)In the video of the tragedy you can clearly see the Zuni missile streak down the flightdeck and hit McCain's plane starting the conflagration.....So today at work an Obama supporter tells me that McCain's screwing around, ( cold starting his jet) caused the tragedy which killed 130+ sailors...Apparently, this slanderous lie is making the rounds of ObamaWorld...I told him how I'd studied the video of the fire in Navy DC school and told him that the video is available on line...We got into it pretty good...Fu*K Him!! How low will these people go?? A New Blood Libel against McCain; I served on an aircraft carrier, the Kennedy,was in a damage control party & went to damage control and firefighting school…There we studied the Forrestal fire of 67..We broke the video down piece learning from mistakes the fire parties made..( After covering burning fuel in fire smothering foam, hose parties washed away he foam allowing the fuel to reignite.)In the video of the tragedy you can clearly see the Zuni missile streak down the flightdeck and hit McCain’s plane starting the conflagration…..So today at work an Obama supporter tells me that McCain’s screwing around, ( cold starting his jet) caused the tragedy which killed 130+ sailors…Apparently, this slanderous lie is making the rounds of ObamaWorld…I told him how I’d studied the video of the fire in Navy DC school and told him that the video is available on line…We got into it pretty good…Fu*K Him!! How low will these people go??

]]> By: Pierre Legrand http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87991 Pierre Legrand Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:33:08 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-87991 <b>We got into it pretty good…Fu*K Him!! How low will these people go??</b> Lower still...they will not lose this election. Anything they can do to win they will do. Some of it will end up being extremely illegal and it won't bother them a bit since the ends justify the means. One need only listen to Ayers discuss whether he has any remorse for being party to the attempted murder of many. Hint...he does not. We got into it pretty good…Fu*K Him!! How low will these people go??

Lower still…they will not lose this election. Anything they can do to win they will do. Some of it will end up being extremely illegal and it won’t bother them a bit since the ends justify the means.

One need only listen to Ayers discuss whether he has any remorse for being party to the attempted murder of many. Hint…he does not.

]]> By: PapaMAS http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88036 PapaMAS Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:06:08 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88036 "Shameless" is another word to describe the press. The last straw for me came back in one of the debates in '92 between Slick Willy and the elder Bush. This debate was "moderated" by Carol Simpson of ABC News. It was not a debate, it was really a show trial for Bush. I did not have a lot of respect for journalists then but still had a shred of hope some might live up to the Jeffersonian ideal. Really, it seems 90%+ of journalists believe they are the fourth branch of government. Or, is it "fifth column," since they are so bound and determined to elect their chosen candidates anything and everything is fair game, and the ends justify the means? “Shameless” is another word to describe the press. The last straw for me came back in one of the debates in ‘92 between Slick Willy and the elder Bush. This debate was “moderated” by Carol Simpson of ABC News. It was not a debate, it was really a show trial for Bush. I did not have a lot of respect for journalists then but still had a shred of hope some might live up to the Jeffersonian ideal. Really, it seems 90%+ of journalists believe they are the fourth branch of government. Or, is it “fifth column,” since they are so bound and determined to elect their chosen candidates anything and everything is fair game, and the ends justify the means?

]]> By: vj http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88045 vj Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:38:45 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88045 If Palin meant "Talibani", then why did she call him "the Talibani"????? Sounds like she was reciting memorized sound bites and confused herself between the Taliban and Iraqi President Jalal Talibani....hmmmm..... If Palin meant “Talibani”, then why did she call him “the Talibani”????? Sounds like she was reciting memorized sound bites and confused herself between the Taliban and Iraqi President Jalal Talibani….hmmmm…..

]]> By: societyis2blame http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88069 societyis2blame Wed, 08 Oct 2008 08:04:09 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88069 What's the pysch term for someone who's not sure whether their opponents are cleverly feigning ignorance or are actually displaying it ? Paranoid ambivalent ? Indeterminitely paranoid ? The Correct or Paranoid paradox ? If he knows he's playing Crazy Straw with the facts, my intelligence is insulted. If he doesn't, his "intelligence" is impervious to any insult I could fashion. What’s the pysch term for someone who’s not sure whether their opponents are cleverly feigning ignorance or are actually displaying it ?

Paranoid ambivalent ? Indeterminitely paranoid ? The Correct or Paranoid paradox ?

If he knows he’s playing Crazy Straw with the facts, my intelligence is insulted. If he doesn’t, his “intelligence” is impervious to any insult I could fashion.

]]> By: MSM deciders not bright enough to know world leaders « Crush Liberalism http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88077 MSM deciders not bright enough to know world leaders « Crush Liberalism Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:15:39 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88077 [...] think that the MSM would be a little more up to speed on current events in the world, no?  From Neo-neocon: A hilarious example of press bias against Palin occurred last Friday on “The Diane Rehm Show,” [...] […] think that the MSM would be a little more up to speed on current events in the world, no?  From Neo-neocon: A hilarious example of press bias against Palin occurred last Friday on “The Diane Rehm Show,” […]

]]> By: Jim Treacher http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88112 Jim Treacher Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:08:12 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88112 And yet we're not supposed to say Obama's middle name... And yet we’re not supposed to say Obama’s middle name…

]]> By: Darrell http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88124 Darrell Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:04:10 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88124 <blockquote>Sounds like she was reciting memorized sound bites and confused herself between the Taliban and Iraqi President Jalal Talibani….hmmmm….</blockquote> I guess when you don't have any pride you can say things like this and not be bothered.

Sounds like she was reciting memorized sound bites and confused herself between the Taliban and Iraqi President Jalal Talibani….hmmmm….

I guess when you don’t have any pride you can say things like this and not be bothered.

]]> By: Darrell http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88125 Darrell Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:09:48 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88125 Meanwhile, Joe Biden can have Hezbollah kicked out of Lebanon, and Roosevelt broadcasting to the nation on TV in 1929, and walks away whistling. toby928, it is most definitely <b>not</b> to laugh. These assholes are going to win the White House because the media is flagrantly covering for them and openly smearing their opponents. Meanwhile, Joe Biden can have Hezbollah kicked out of Lebanon, and Roosevelt broadcasting to the nation on TV in 1929, and walks away whistling.

toby928, it is most definitely not to laugh. These assholes are going to win the White House because the media is flagrantly covering for them and openly smearing their opponents.

]]> By: Ariel http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88134 Ariel Wed, 08 Oct 2008 23:17:56 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88134 VJ, Go to the transcript as pointed to by Neo (go to the VP not First Pres debate). You'll see that she didn't use the word "the" in front of Talibani. Tom and Dionne, the dummies, added it because they needed it to prove how stupid she is. Instead they proved how stupid they are, as well as deceitful. Don't you feel silly for not reading the original transcript? Naw. The truth wouldn't suit your purpose. VJ,

Go to the transcript as pointed to by Neo (go to the VP not First Pres debate). You’ll see that she didn’t use the word “the” in front of Talibani. Tom and Dionne, the dummies, added it because they needed it to prove how stupid she is. Instead they proved how stupid they are, as well as deceitful.

Don’t you feel silly for not reading the original transcript? Naw. The truth wouldn’t suit your purpose.

]]> By: boy on a bike http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88135 boy on a bike Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:06:15 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88135 Papamas, it goes further. A story in our local rag last week listed the destruction of McCain's aircraft in the Forrestal fire along with some of his prangs - it was an obvious attempt to make it look like his plane was destroyed by him crashing it! Unbelievable! Papamas, it goes further. A story in our local rag last week listed the destruction of McCain’s aircraft in the Forrestal fire along with some of his prangs - it was an obvious attempt to make it look like his plane was destroyed by him crashing it!

Unbelievable!

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88153 Ymarsakar Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:29:55 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88153 Without victory, the truth no longer matters. Without victory, the truth no longer matters.

]]> By: BillT http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88156 BillT Thu, 09 Oct 2008 04:41:58 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88156 I thought Cecile Dionne did a *great* job with the <i>Titanic</i> sound track. Ummmmm -- what? I thought Cecile Dionne did a *great* job with the Titanic sound track.

Ummmmm — what?

]]> By: zefal http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88157 zefal Thu, 09 Oct 2008 04:50:24 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88157 I recorded this and put it up on youtube after reading this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhz7rlUx-Pg I recorded this and put it up on youtube after reading this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhz7rlUx-Pg

]]> By: Xystus http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88185 Xystus Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:03:01 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88185 "'How low will these people go??' Lower still…they will not lose this election. Anything they can do to win they will do. Some of it will end up being extremely illegal and it won’t bother them a bit since the ends justify the means." Sounds absolutely Clintonian. “‘How low will these people go??’

Lower still…they will not lose this election. Anything they can do to win they will do. Some of it will end up being extremely illegal and it won’t bother them a bit since the ends justify the means.”

Sounds absolutely Clintonian.

]]> By: Inventing Excuses For Hating Palin : “7.62mm Justice” ™ http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88190 Inventing Excuses For Hating Palin : “7.62mm Justice” ™ Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:01:29 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88190 [...] working with us are knowing again that we are getting closer and closer to the point of victory.” The Talibani obviously are our absolute enemy and have been since 9/11; Maliki, our central ally in Iraq. This to me is a tremendous blunder, [...] […] working with us are knowing again that we are getting closer and closer to the point of victory.” The Talibani obviously are our absolute enemy and have been since 9/11; Maliki, our central ally in Iraq. This to me is a tremendous blunder, […]

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88274 Ymarsakar Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:20:16 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/07/our-brilliant-press-this-would-be-funny-if-it-werent-so-sad/#comment-88274 A nice counter-propaganda ad would be stoking up people's complaints about Palin being dumb on Talabani, waiting a week or two for it to stew while acting defensive, and then hitting out an ad that actually shows Palin saying Maliki and Talabani rather than Maliki and the Talabani. The best counter-propaganda is when the enemy has saturated the audience with the specific propaganda you are countering. Dan Rather did us all a favor by going whole hog on his propaganda operation, to the extent that almost everybody knew about it, whether we wanted them to or not. When the counter-propaganda hit, he was sunk. He had a dug a hole and drew an audience that he could no longer get rid of. Not in the dark, at least. A nice counter-propaganda ad would be stoking up people’s complaints about Palin being dumb on Talabani, waiting a week or two for it to stew while acting defensive, and then hitting out an ad that actually shows Palin saying Maliki and Talabani rather than Maliki and the Talabani.

The best counter-propaganda is when the enemy has saturated the audience with the specific propaganda you are countering. Dan Rather did us all a favor by going whole hog on his propaganda operation, to the extent that almost everybody knew about it, whether we wanted them to or not. When the counter-propaganda hit, he was sunk.

He had a dug a hole and drew an audience that he could no longer get rid of. Not in the dark, at least.

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