Comments on: “Misunderstanding” the Ayers connection: the coverup of the coverup http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/09/misunderstanding-the-ayers-connection-the-coverup-of-the-coverup/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:34:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: harry McHitlerburtonstein the Conservative Extremist http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/09/misunderstanding-the-ayers-connection-the-coverup-of-the-coverup/#comment-88550 harry McHitlerburtonstein the Conservative Extremist Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:24:58 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/09/misunderstanding-the-ayers-connection-the-coverup-of-the-coverup/#comment-88550 Well maybe my perspective could use some broadening. Thanks for the recommendations Sergey. I'll try to add them to my reading list. Well maybe my perspective could use some broadening. Thanks for the recommendations Sergey. I’ll try to add them to my reading list.

]]> By: Sergey http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/09/misunderstanding-the-ayers-connection-the-coverup-of-the-coverup/#comment-88516 Sergey Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:19:20 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/09/misunderstanding-the-ayers-connection-the-coverup-of-the-coverup/#comment-88516 To harry: "particular" is not applicable to God, except in paganism, to which I do not belong; and, irrespective of any religious affiliation, the constraints arise in reason and science themselves. See Kant, "Critique of Pure Reason", Ludwig Wittgenstein (Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus), Karl Popper (Objective Knowledge: An Evolutionary Approach, 1972), Douglas Hofstadter (Gödel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid). Religion is not a restriction, it only fill the voids in our worldview which logic and science incapable to fill. To harry: “particular” is not applicable to God, except in paganism, to which I do not belong; and, irrespective of any religious affiliation, the constraints arise in reason and science themselves. See Kant, “Critique of Pure Reason”, Ludwig Wittgenstein (Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus), Karl Popper (Objective Knowledge: An Evolutionary Approach, 1972), Douglas Hofstadter (Gödel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid). Religion is not a restriction, it only fill the voids in our worldview which logic and science incapable to fill.

]]> By: Bugs http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/09/misunderstanding-the-ayers-connection-the-coverup-of-the-coverup/#comment-88511 Bugs Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:59:14 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/09/misunderstanding-the-ayers-connection-the-coverup-of-the-coverup/#comment-88511 Oh, maybe my previous post <i>was</i> a little disorganized. I'm barely coherent at best, but that gay little quotation Xan provided sent the brain into full reactionary mode. I don't think he quite got what I was trying to say. Considering my own response, I have to wonder why I feel that the person who composed that soft, fuzzy little paragraph does not have our best interests in mind. How could I not want social justice? How could I not want my child (if I had one) to be a "healer?" These are beautiful goals. Achieving them would allow us to live in a beautiful world. And even if they were never fully realized, the mere attempt to realize them would make the world a better place than it is today. So...what's wrong with working for a better world? Oh, maybe my previous post was a little disorganized. I’m barely coherent at best, but that gay little quotation Xan provided sent the brain into full reactionary mode. I don’t think he quite got what I was trying to say.

Considering my own response, I have to wonder why I feel that the person who composed that soft, fuzzy little paragraph does not have our best interests in mind. How could I not want social justice? How could I not want my child (if I had one) to be a “healer?” These are beautiful goals. Achieving them would allow us to live in a beautiful world. And even if they were never fully realized, the mere attempt to realize them would make the world a better place than it is today.

So…what’s wrong with working for a better world?

]]> By: Ymarsakar http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/09/misunderstanding-the-ayers-connection-the-coverup-of-the-coverup/#comment-88471 Ymarsakar Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:08:55 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/09/misunderstanding-the-ayers-connection-the-coverup-of-the-coverup/#comment-88471 <b># neo-neocon Says: October 10th, 2008 at 10:37 am Now I see the light, troutsky, for you have spoken. I will replace my utter dependence on the word of the great Rush Limbaugh, to whom I virtually never listen, with dependence on the word of the great troutsky, repository of truth. </b> Solid, Neo. Also a lot of Fox News is a "her" not a "him". # neo-neocon Says:
October 10th, 2008 at 10:37 am

Now I see the light, troutsky, for you have spoken. I will replace my utter dependence on the word of the great Rush Limbaugh, to whom I virtually never listen, with dependence on the word of the great troutsky, repository of truth.

Solid, Neo. Also a lot of Fox News is a “her” not a “him”.

]]> By: harry McHitlerburtonstein the Conservative Extremist http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/09/misunderstanding-the-ayers-connection-the-coverup-of-the-coverup/#comment-88457 harry McHitlerburtonstein the Conservative Extremist Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:04:07 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/09/misunderstanding-the-ayers-connection-the-coverup-of-the-coverup/#comment-88457 <i>"truly brilliant minds can see inherent limitations of logic, scientific method and critical ability in moral and religious universe."</i> Do you have any particular god in mind Sergey? “truly brilliant minds can see inherent limitations of logic, scientific method and critical ability in moral and religious universe.”

Do you have any particular god in mind Sergey?

]]> By: Hank Roth http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/09/misunderstanding-the-ayers-connection-the-coverup-of-the-coverup/#comment-88430 Hank Roth Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:23:59 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/09/misunderstanding-the-ayers-connection-the-coverup-of-the-coverup/#comment-88430 This is among the very best analysis I've read and the discussion here is also a higher level of discourse than what usually passes for shared ideas on the InterNUT. Thanks. I just found your site and rather than add to your thesis I just wanted to tell you how informative it is and I will be cross-posting some of it with a link to some other forums. I'm glad I found your site. I am also a reformed leftist who now considers myself a neoconservative - very much out of step with the liberal Democrats and paleoconservative Republicans - though I will be voting for McCain this cycle.. Hank Roth http://pnews.org/ This is among the very best analysis I’ve read and the discussion here is also a higher level of discourse than what usually passes for shared ideas on the InterNUT. Thanks. I just found your site and rather than add to your thesis I just wanted to tell you how informative it is and I will be cross-posting some of it with a link to some other forums. I’m glad I found your site. I am also a reformed leftist who now considers myself a neoconservative – very much out of step with the liberal Democrats and paleoconservative Republicans – though I will be voting for McCain this cycle..

Hank Roth
http://pnews.org/

]]> By: Sergey http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/09/misunderstanding-the-ayers-connection-the-coverup-of-the-coverup/#comment-88419 Sergey Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:14:32 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/09/misunderstanding-the-ayers-connection-the-coverup-of-the-coverup/#comment-88419 Fetishism of rationalism, science and critical thinking is the province of mediocre intellectuals; truly brilliant minds can see inherent limitations of logic, scientific method and critical ability in moral and religious universe. Fetishism of rationalism, science and critical thinking is the province of mediocre intellectuals; truly brilliant minds can see inherent limitations of logic, scientific method and critical ability in moral and religious universe.

]]> By: harry McHitlerburtonstein the Conservative Extremist http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/09/misunderstanding-the-ayers-connection-the-coverup-of-the-coverup/#comment-88396 harry McHitlerburtonstein the Conservative Extremist Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:18:09 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/09/misunderstanding-the-ayers-connection-the-coverup-of-the-coverup/#comment-88396 Alright. I admit that I have an education agenda as far grammar is concerned, and that agenda is to abandon the friggin comma rule and put the god-damnned things where ever I god-damned please. Sue me. Pretty benign agenda though, as far as those things go. Still waiting on Karl to issue me instructions though. Alright. I admit that I have an education agenda as far grammar is concerned, and that agenda is to abandon the friggin comma rule and put the god-damnned things where ever I god-damned please.

Sue me.

Pretty benign agenda though, as far as those things go.

Still waiting on Karl to issue me instructions though.

]]> By: harry McHitlerburtonstein the Conservative Extremist http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/09/misunderstanding-the-ayers-connection-the-coverup-of-the-coverup/#comment-88395 harry McHitlerburtonstein the Conservative Extremist Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:04:32 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/09/misunderstanding-the-ayers-connection-the-coverup-of-the-coverup/#comment-88395 <i>"—unless you think logic and critical thinking, and math and grammar, are the province of the Right."</i> Well, now that you mention it...and the more you look at what's going on, I'd say that was generally true. But of course, I do have my biases. “—unless you think logic and critical thinking, and math and grammar, are the province of the Right.”

Well, now that you mention it…and the more you look at what’s going on, I’d say that was generally true.
But of course, I do have my biases.

]]> By: neo-neocon http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/09/misunderstanding-the-ayers-connection-the-coverup-of-the-coverup/#comment-88393 neo-neocon Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:48:38 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/09/misunderstanding-the-ayers-connection-the-coverup-of-the-coverup/#comment-88393 Xan: My goals for education have been the same whether I was slightly to the left or slightly to the right: to give children the tools to make their own informed decisions when they grow up. That means to teach them facts (history, science, etc.---coming as close to the truth as humanly possible), skills (reading, math, grammar, etc.) logic, and critical thinking (especially how to evaluate the worth of arguments and evidence). Values to impart are the universal ones of truth, justice, doing good to others while taking care of yourself. As far as government goes, teach them the Constitution and the way it works. That's a far cry from the goals of "social justice" teaching. But neither is it indoctrination in the political beliefs of conservatives---unless you think logic and critical thinking, and math and grammar, are the province of the Right. Xan: My goals for education have been the same whether I was slightly to the left or slightly to the right: to give children the tools to make their own informed decisions when they grow up. That means to teach them facts (history, science, etc.—coming as close to the truth as humanly possible), skills (reading, math, grammar, etc.) logic, and critical thinking (especially how to evaluate the worth of arguments and evidence). Values to impart are the universal ones of truth, justice, doing good to others while taking care of yourself. As far as government goes, teach them the Constitution and the way it works.

That’s a far cry from the goals of “social justice” teaching. But neither is it indoctrination in the political beliefs of conservatives—unless you think logic and critical thinking, and math and grammar, are the province of the Right.

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