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		<title>By: csimon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/11/the-anchoress-isnt-ordinarily/#comment-88577</link>
		<dc:creator>csimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So many of above comments echo my own feelings.  I&#039;ve felt the anger, the frustration, the disgust -- at what I&#039;ve seen for days which have turned into weeks, months, a year?  

But lately, there&#039;s been a slow burn underneath all of that is a slow burn that was submerged but has been growing exponentially.  I realized a few days ago that this burn is reserved specially for the MSM.  How can this be happening? How HAS it happened?  There&#039;s no way to really fight this.  These are private enterprises, and despite big ratings losses -- much as the NY Times circulation, it continues unabated.

Like Tim, I try to talk to those who will listen.  But fact is, so many people don&#039;t want real information upon which to make an informed decision.  It&#039;s this guy, or that guy, and which one they LIKE better.  Regarded more as entertainment than serious stuff with huge consequences to the future of our lives.  Then, too, I probably am a bit overwhelming, which is a mistake I know (neo wrote an article about pursuading others some time ago), but my frustration about people NOT knowing so many things induces me to try best as I know how to give them real facts.  (Then I get back:  but I saw this on TV or read that in the papers.......and I know my efforts are wasted).

McCain...I haven&#039;t quite figured out.  I&#039;m guessing he was wagering on the fact that most of the country would be so tired of the divisiveness of the last 8 years, the poison that has been spewed, and miscalculated that the folks would appreciate the noble politician with a code of ethics and morality.  Obama initially presented himself this way, too. Holier-than-they (all the others); above partisan politics.  And the MSM was only to happy to amplify this imate.  Once story after story began surfacing about his long association with a stream of shady (at best) characters, the mask was off and so on the stump he abandoned such pretense.  He rightly gauged that if he attacked first, and hard, it would be a distraction from the unsavory details of his recent past, not too mention his lack of experience.  Also, he could define McCain negatively by fanning the flames of Presidential hatred and creating a fiction that McCain is another George Bush.  (Ironically, one of their few likenesses is their strength of character and love of country -- as it is.)  (If he is successful, which I fear he might be, would that he receives such treatment in spades -- and he very well might, because his acolytes are more the &quot;fair weather fan&quot; type.  Their loyalty is not based on principle, but on hatred.  And there is no discounting, as well, the power that victimization brings to people -- all that&#039;s bad in your life is not your fault; it&#039;s the big bad govt. and those evil greedy guys at the top.  This is one lesson he learned well from Reverend Wright.

Sadly, I have started to feel just what Tim P. said:

&quot;the cold empty feeling of defeat has been slowly seeping in and this subject has been on my mind lately....&quot;

But I&#039;ll still keep hoping until the end.  Because that is who we are.  We believe in our principles and we love our country and appreciate the privileges it affords us, even when imperfect. We believe in good and bad, and right and wrong, and trust that good will prevail.  (Much as we believe that bringing democracy to other nations is good, and brings so much to other people).   Maybe we&#039;re naive.  But that&#039;s who we are.  Or that&#039;s who I am.  And truth is, I like that part of who I am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So many of above comments echo my own feelings.  I&#8217;ve felt the anger, the frustration, the disgust &#8212; at what I&#8217;ve seen for days which have turned into weeks, months, a year?  </p>
<p>But lately, there&#8217;s been a slow burn underneath all of that is a slow burn that was submerged but has been growing exponentially.  I realized a few days ago that this burn is reserved specially for the MSM.  How can this be happening? How HAS it happened?  There&#8217;s no way to really fight this.  These are private enterprises, and despite big ratings losses &#8212; much as the NY Times circulation, it continues unabated.</p>
<p>Like Tim, I try to talk to those who will listen.  But fact is, so many people don&#8217;t want real information upon which to make an informed decision.  It&#8217;s this guy, or that guy, and which one they LIKE better.  Regarded more as entertainment than serious stuff with huge consequences to the future of our lives.  Then, too, I probably am a bit overwhelming, which is a mistake I know (neo wrote an article about pursuading others some time ago), but my frustration about people NOT knowing so many things induces me to try best as I know how to give them real facts.  (Then I get back:  but I saw this on TV or read that in the papers&#8230;&#8230;.and I know my efforts are wasted).</p>
<p>McCain&#8230;I haven&#8217;t quite figured out.  I&#8217;m guessing he was wagering on the fact that most of the country would be so tired of the divisiveness of the last 8 years, the poison that has been spewed, and miscalculated that the folks would appreciate the noble politician with a code of ethics and morality.  Obama initially presented himself this way, too. Holier-than-they (all the others); above partisan politics.  And the MSM was only to happy to amplify this imate.  Once story after story began surfacing about his long association with a stream of shady (at best) characters, the mask was off and so on the stump he abandoned such pretense.  He rightly gauged that if he attacked first, and hard, it would be a distraction from the unsavory details of his recent past, not too mention his lack of experience.  Also, he could define McCain negatively by fanning the flames of Presidential hatred and creating a fiction that McCain is another George Bush.  (Ironically, one of their few likenesses is their strength of character and love of country &#8212; as it is.)  (If he is successful, which I fear he might be, would that he receives such treatment in spades &#8212; and he very well might, because his acolytes are more the &#8220;fair weather fan&#8221; type.  Their loyalty is not based on principle, but on hatred.  And there is no discounting, as well, the power that victimization brings to people &#8212; all that&#8217;s bad in your life is not your fault; it&#8217;s the big bad govt. and those evil greedy guys at the top.  This is one lesson he learned well from Reverend Wright.</p>
<p>Sadly, I have started to feel just what Tim P. said:</p>
<p>&#8220;the cold empty feeling of defeat has been slowly seeping in and this subject has been on my mind lately&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll still keep hoping until the end.  Because that is who we are.  We believe in our principles and we love our country and appreciate the privileges it affords us, even when imperfect. We believe in good and bad, and right and wrong, and trust that good will prevail.  (Much as we believe that bringing democracy to other nations is good, and brings so much to other people).   Maybe we&#8217;re naive.  But that&#8217;s who we are.  Or that&#8217;s who I am.  And truth is, I like that part of who I am.</p>
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		<title>By: harry McHitlerburtonstein the Conservative Extremist</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/11/the-anchoress-isnt-ordinarily/#comment-88548</link>
		<dc:creator>harry McHitlerburtonstein the Conservative Extremist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk show host Mike McConnel openly wondered why it is Republicans and conservatives dont fight harder. Someone had suggested to him the reason that is true is because who we are and how we conduct ourselves. Democrat politicians start out as activists and union hall delegates and learn to be &quot;in your face&quot; early. Meanwhile, Republicans come up speaking to the Rotary Club.  We just dont riot.

I&#039;ve always thought of the Republicans as being, more or less, the party of responsible adults while the democrats, generally, the party of the petulant teenager. I hope the adults can restore sanity but its difficult when the teenagers claim to know everything and drag you down to their level of discourse in order to &quot;reason&quot; with them.  I dont know how we do this when they &quot;own&quot; the means to disseminate information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk show host Mike McConnel openly wondered why it is Republicans and conservatives dont fight harder. Someone had suggested to him the reason that is true is because who we are and how we conduct ourselves. Democrat politicians start out as activists and union hall delegates and learn to be &#8220;in your face&#8221; early. Meanwhile, Republicans come up speaking to the Rotary Club.  We just dont riot.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always thought of the Republicans as being, more or less, the party of responsible adults while the democrats, generally, the party of the petulant teenager. I hope the adults can restore sanity but its difficult when the teenagers claim to know everything and drag you down to their level of discourse in order to &#8220;reason&#8221; with them.  I dont know how we do this when they &#8220;own&#8221; the means to disseminate information.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/11/the-anchoress-isnt-ordinarily/#comment-88538</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re now quoting Soros on the financial crisis. It&#039;s like The Big Idea with Donny Deutsch interviewing Jenna Jameson. Making him legitimate. The fox is now in the chikenhouse.

What&#039;s Soros saying? The markets are melting down. He must be orgasmic. His dreams are all coming true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re now quoting Soros on the financial crisis. It&#8217;s like The Big Idea with Donny Deutsch interviewing Jenna Jameson. Making him legitimate. The fox is now in the chikenhouse.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s Soros saying? The markets are melting down. He must be orgasmic. His dreams are all coming true.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Gordon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/11/the-anchoress-isnt-ordinarily/#comment-88526</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as bias goes on most of the media sites, I&#039;ll give them this much credit for honesty; they don&#039;t even pretend anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as bias goes on most of the media sites, I&#8217;ll give them this much credit for honesty; they don&#8217;t even pretend anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomass</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/11/the-anchoress-isnt-ordinarily/#comment-88518</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To build on Tim P.&#039;s rant / point... what are we going to do to be more involved? 

So some degree we&#039;ve done what lefties do when it comes to charity. We left it to the experts (like the campaigns). That didn&#039;t work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To build on Tim P.&#8217;s rant / point&#8230; what are we going to do to be more involved? </p>
<p>So some degree we&#8217;ve done what lefties do when it comes to charity. We left it to the experts (like the campaigns). That didn&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim P</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/11/the-anchoress-isnt-ordinarily/#comment-88517</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s more on that &lt;a href=&quot;http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/clinton-supporters-sharing-evidence-for-rico-case-against-obama-campaign/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stolen election&lt;/a&gt; you&#039;ve heard so much about, from a source you might find surprising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s more on that <a href="http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/clinton-supporters-sharing-evidence-for-rico-case-against-obama-campaign/" rel="nofollow">stolen election</a> you&#8217;ve heard so much about, from a source you might find surprising.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good rant, Tim P.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good rant, Tim P.</p>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/11/the-anchoress-isnt-ordinarily/#comment-88513</link>
		<dc:creator>Artfldgr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alinskies doctrine and lenins, and stalins, etc... are all the same... win at any cost, even if your the wrong one to be there... if you win, then you must be the right one to be there. merit be damned since merit will not always grant what you want.  along with this is the other doctrine of its easier to beg forgiveness than it is to ask permission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alinskies doctrine and lenins, and stalins, etc&#8230; are all the same&#8230; win at any cost, even if your the wrong one to be there&#8230; if you win, then you must be the right one to be there. merit be damned since merit will not always grant what you want.  along with this is the other doctrine of its easier to beg forgiveness than it is to ask permission.</p>
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		<title>By: A Goy and his Blog</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/11/the-anchoress-isnt-ordinarily/#comment-88512</link>
		<dc:creator>A Goy and his Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;A year later: Whining Still Doesn&#8217;t Work...&lt;/strong&gt;

I used to be a &#8216;Signs and Portents&#8217; kind of guy.
But that gets old. Chris Hitchens is right: there&#8217;s no there there.
If I were still superstitious, however, I&#8217;d make a big deal out of the fact that exactly one year ago today, I ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>A year later: Whining Still Doesn&#8217;t Work&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I used to be a &#8216;Signs and Portents&#8217; kind of guy.<br />
But that gets old. Chris Hitchens is right: there&#8217;s no there there.<br />
If I were still superstitious, however, I&#8217;d make a big deal out of the fact that exactly one year ago today, I &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: njcommuter</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/11/the-anchoress-isnt-ordinarily/#comment-88510</link>
		<dc:creator>njcommuter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What we have is a breakdown of reason and civility.  Mob justice and the threat of mob justice is a greater danger than a few people who earn too much money.

Consider this: there are only 500 Fortune 500 CEOs.  Even if you got ten million dollars each from them in taxes (which you won&#039;t) that&#039;s only five billion dollars, a drop in the bucket when it comes to the nation&#039;s budget and the tax burden on the &#039;average&#039; individual.

The press is supposed to be the guardian.  The press is aiding and abetting.

What would happen if bloggers could get on the various Public Access channels on television?  Of course, in some places their lives might be in danger, but it would be a crack in the dam.  With good production values (like those on PJM-TV) it might make a difference.  And if the local listing actually said &quot;Pajamas Media&quot; people might tune in expecting, well, something else ... and stay for the iconoclasm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we have is a breakdown of reason and civility.  Mob justice and the threat of mob justice is a greater danger than a few people who earn too much money.</p>
<p>Consider this: there are only 500 Fortune 500 CEOs.  Even if you got ten million dollars each from them in taxes (which you won&#8217;t) that&#8217;s only five billion dollars, a drop in the bucket when it comes to the nation&#8217;s budget and the tax burden on the &#8216;average&#8217; individual.</p>
<p>The press is supposed to be the guardian.  The press is aiding and abetting.</p>
<p>What would happen if bloggers could get on the various Public Access channels on television?  Of course, in some places their lives might be in danger, but it would be a crack in the dam.  With good production values (like those on PJM-TV) it might make a difference.  And if the local listing actually said &#8220;Pajamas Media&#8221; people might tune in expecting, well, something else &#8230; and stay for the iconoclasm.</p>
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