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		<title>By: Truth</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/02/what-good-in-intelligence-if-you-cantwont-use-it/#comment-95371</link>
		<dc:creator>Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First I did not talking to so I do not like to hear your &quot;chatty cathy doll&quot; talks.

In same talkn if its history them Islam and what set to be also history whatever &quot; its not to change anything or improve anything, since critical theory and alinsky says, just complain, never suggest solutions…&quot; isn&#039;t same story our &quot;chatty cathy doll&quot;.

if you chose to be blind looking in one eye that your problem,

look&#039;s you are in the train of you either with us or against us our doll?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First I did not talking to so I do not like to hear your &#8220;chatty cathy doll&#8221; talks.</p>
<p>In same talkn if its history them Islam and what set to be also history whatever &#8221; its not to change anything or improve anything, since critical theory and alinsky says, just complain, never suggest solutions…&#8221; isn&#8217;t same story our &#8220;chatty cathy doll&#8221;.</p>
<p>if you chose to be blind looking in one eye that your problem,</p>
<p>look&#8217;s you are in the train of you either with us or against us our doll?</p>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Artfldgr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truth... 

april glaspy was an ass...  she didnt take her own language seriously... you can read the transcrpt of the conversation. 

however... you do realize that the thing that is up front about why things happen is seldom the only reason.    and that many big bad things have happened due to accidents in history. 

but lets be truthful truth... the game is complain... 
doesnt matter what action the US takes, either choice you would complain... its not to change anything or improve anything, since critical theory and alinsky says, just complain, never suggest solutions... 

if we go in, you complain and make up ulterior purposes that dont make sense. 

we dont go in, and you complain that we are inhuman and are not doing enough to help the poor kurds or some other thing.. 

we give him weapons, we are enabling killers. 
we let him get weapons from russia, we arent doing our best to mediate and prevent that. 

it really doesnt matter, your never going to see any act as valid other than what? 

experience means nothing to you... 
nor does history... 


This relevant point, did not matter at all, Saddam had weapons form here or there to fight.

actually it does... because it means that his dealings with others were greater than his dealings with us. it shows that he was burning the candle at both ends, and the other end you conveniently ignore, since it represents (falsely) what you want, and it isnt

its a game for you, and you waste peoples time because you dont actually desire a resolutoin or a point, you just want to wear the opposition down by an endless series of oppositions where no matter what action is taken its wrong. 

at about that point, you become a chatty cathy doll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truth&#8230; </p>
<p>april glaspy was an ass&#8230;  she didnt take her own language seriously&#8230; you can read the transcrpt of the conversation. </p>
<p>however&#8230; you do realize that the thing that is up front about why things happen is seldom the only reason.    and that many big bad things have happened due to accidents in history. </p>
<p>but lets be truthful truth&#8230; the game is complain&#8230;<br />
doesnt matter what action the US takes, either choice you would complain&#8230; its not to change anything or improve anything, since critical theory and alinsky says, just complain, never suggest solutions&#8230; </p>
<p>if we go in, you complain and make up ulterior purposes that dont make sense. </p>
<p>we dont go in, and you complain that we are inhuman and are not doing enough to help the poor kurds or some other thing.. </p>
<p>we give him weapons, we are enabling killers.<br />
we let him get weapons from russia, we arent doing our best to mediate and prevent that. </p>
<p>it really doesnt matter, your never going to see any act as valid other than what? </p>
<p>experience means nothing to you&#8230;<br />
nor does history&#8230; </p>
<p>This relevant point, did not matter at all, Saddam had weapons form here or there to fight.</p>
<p>actually it does&#8230; because it means that his dealings with others were greater than his dealings with us. it shows that he was burning the candle at both ends, and the other end you conveniently ignore, since it represents (falsely) what you want, and it isnt</p>
<p>its a game for you, and you waste peoples time because you dont actually desire a resolutoin or a point, you just want to wear the opposition down by an endless series of oppositions where no matter what action is taken its wrong. </p>
<p>at about that point, you become a chatty cathy doll.</p>
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		<title>By: The New Centrist</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/02/what-good-in-intelligence-if-you-cantwont-use-it/#comment-95306</link>
		<dc:creator>The New Centrist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My question is, is it the everyday weapon of an Indian cop on the beat?&quot;

The everyday weapon of an Indian cop on the beat is the &quot;lathi&quot; aka a wooden staff:

http://indianlathi.com/

To the best of my knowledge, most Indian cops are not armed with rifles or pistols. I have not seen armed cops outside of a few places (airports, train stations) when I have visited the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My question is, is it the everyday weapon of an Indian cop on the beat?&#8221;</p>
<p>The everyday weapon of an Indian cop on the beat is the &#8220;lathi&#8221; aka a wooden staff:</p>
<p><a href="http://indianlathi.com/" rel="nofollow">http://indianlathi.com/</a></p>
<p>To the best of my knowledge, most Indian cops are not armed with rifles or pistols. I have not seen armed cops outside of a few places (airports, train stations) when I have visited the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Truth</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/02/what-good-in-intelligence-if-you-cantwont-use-it/#comment-95224</link>
		<dc:creator>Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;found that saddam got something like 1 percent of his weapons from us. his big suppliers were france, china and the ussr and his successor states.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

This relevant point, did not matter at all, Saddam had weapons form here or there to fight.

What you should do under your democracy and freedom , ask both your folks Rumsfeld and April Glaspy if they can tell you 13 years history what they talk with Saddam and what they promised him at their meeting in 1985 then in 199 just 2 day or weeks when Saddam went to Kuwaiti invasion in</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><b>found that saddam got something like 1 percent of his weapons from us. his big suppliers were france, china and the ussr and his successor states.</b></i></p>
<p>This relevant point, did not matter at all, Saddam had weapons form here or there to fight.</p>
<p>What you should do under your democracy and freedom , ask both your folks Rumsfeld and April Glaspy if they can tell you 13 years history what they talk with Saddam and what they promised him at their meeting in 1985 then in 199 just 2 day or weeks when Saddam went to Kuwaiti invasion in</p>
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		<title>By: csimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>csimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher Boucek--
In response to your comment, first, I found it very difficult to understand what you were saying, perhaps because of a language problem, or perhaps because of typos.

In any case, you definitely misread/misunderstood what I wrote.  I was responding to a previous post by Truth who suggested that maybe we should hold terrorists&#039; families as leverage (he noted that they are so proud of the evil things their loved ones do, etc.).  I was writing that this was something we could and would NEVER do.  Many of us feel that we should absolutely hold those responsible for terrorist acts accountable:  those who carried out the act(s) (should they survive) and those who planned and financed the acts, and/or enabled them.  It&#039;s pretty simple.  I also said that even if one were to think that might give a Jihadist pause (i.e. holding family members), I don&#039;t think it would at all; they are focused on their goal completely.  In addition, they know our culture all too well and are well aware we would do nothing to harm innocent people.  These terrorists spend months, if not years, making intricate plans designed to exploit our weaknesses and use them against us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher Boucek&#8211;<br />
In response to your comment, first, I found it very difficult to understand what you were saying, perhaps because of a language problem, or perhaps because of typos.</p>
<p>In any case, you definitely misread/misunderstood what I wrote.  I was responding to a previous post by Truth who suggested that maybe we should hold terrorists&#8217; families as leverage (he noted that they are so proud of the evil things their loved ones do, etc.).  I was writing that this was something we could and would NEVER do.  Many of us feel that we should absolutely hold those responsible for terrorist acts accountable:  those who carried out the act(s) (should they survive) and those who planned and financed the acts, and/or enabled them.  It&#8217;s pretty simple.  I also said that even if one were to think that might give a Jihadist pause (i.e. holding family members), I don&#8217;t think it would at all; they are focused on their goal completely.  In addition, they know our culture all too well and are well aware we would do nothing to harm innocent people.  These terrorists spend months, if not years, making intricate plans designed to exploit our weaknesses and use them against us.</p>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/02/what-good-in-intelligence-if-you-cantwont-use-it/#comment-95160</link>
		<dc:creator>Artfldgr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;and about pacepa’s claims: i’ve seen a lot of them, but does anyone know how reliable he really is? is there any way of finding out?&lt;/i&gt;

honest answer? 

more reliable than most others, never 100% reliable... he is a traitor after all, and could be a plant who mixes up infoprmation and disinformation. 

however, some sources in the game have been vetted more than others... usually by what happens when they turn... they basically eitehr confirm known histories, or their info leads to lots of arrests, and finds... 

and you also have opinion... 

for instance... most people side with golitsyn... however another agent that defected shortly after runs interference... golitsyn had a relationship with angleton, and angleton was out and pretty much slandered...  so the agency didnt know who to beleive.... they ended up siding with the latter spy... however the latter one is out in the open, he likes to give interviews, speeches, and his information never was as rich or as good as golitsyn...  

when analysed, golitsyns points in his book that were factually confimational, he had a incredibly high prediction success rate (over 90%)... and this is for things that he predicted decades before they happened. 


so one has to balance what is being given... and usually one gets a sense of the validity as one reads many many of these stories and they start to make a coherient image or not, and whether they are confirmed by other histories and other agencies comparing notes. 

the newer spy that gives the interviews is in the open, golitsyn has a price on his head and you cant find him and has always been in hiding. 

mitrokhen was also (dont know if he is still alive) permanently in hiding... 

but litvenenko was one in the open, and ended up being poisioned with radioactive polonium 210. 

in a game of lies and tricks, reversals, betrayals, and really bizarre things... one will never know a confirmed clear thing as one will only be able, like in science, to know after a lone while and knowing more and more as time goes by. 

for instance... mccarthy is totally tainted... he changed the language...  he said lattimore was a spy... lattimore denied it, wrote a book where he coined the term McCarthyism...  so the whole thing was one big noisy mess, and no way to actually know... both sides had their take, and the left had the more organized negative campaign and lying practices to work.. and so seemed to win... for a time.   

years later..  after time passed... information about VENONA transcripts became public...(which is part of all this process), and when they became public...  the history of the past get corrected.. 

at least in the better history books...

so today if you read a good history, you will find out that lattimore WAS a spy... his book was a way to deflect that... and mccarthy was very right... 

the msm public is still on the public old thread and hasnt updated the history with venona information, mitrokhen info, etc. 


so take from this what you will.. 

that in all honesty... you have to use your skills and work the information yourself and try to catch them at lying then adjust your trust...  never trust them or anything 100% from the start, and basically constantly assess, reassess, and adjust as more empirical information comes around.. 

life was always to be a learning thing througout... 

given the limitations of knowing... this should be clear... nothing is static...   and we have to navigate that... 

[even if you knew the spies personally, you cant trust what you may think you know or dont know]

good luck...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>and about pacepa’s claims: i’ve seen a lot of them, but does anyone know how reliable he really is? is there any way of finding out?</i></p>
<p>honest answer? </p>
<p>more reliable than most others, never 100% reliable&#8230; he is a traitor after all, and could be a plant who mixes up infoprmation and disinformation. </p>
<p>however, some sources in the game have been vetted more than others&#8230; usually by what happens when they turn&#8230; they basically eitehr confirm known histories, or their info leads to lots of arrests, and finds&#8230; </p>
<p>and you also have opinion&#8230; </p>
<p>for instance&#8230; most people side with golitsyn&#8230; however another agent that defected shortly after runs interference&#8230; golitsyn had a relationship with angleton, and angleton was out and pretty much slandered&#8230;  so the agency didnt know who to beleive&#8230;. they ended up siding with the latter spy&#8230; however the latter one is out in the open, he likes to give interviews, speeches, and his information never was as rich or as good as golitsyn&#8230;  </p>
<p>when analysed, golitsyns points in his book that were factually confimational, he had a incredibly high prediction success rate (over 90%)&#8230; and this is for things that he predicted decades before they happened. </p>
<p>so one has to balance what is being given&#8230; and usually one gets a sense of the validity as one reads many many of these stories and they start to make a coherient image or not, and whether they are confirmed by other histories and other agencies comparing notes. </p>
<p>the newer spy that gives the interviews is in the open, golitsyn has a price on his head and you cant find him and has always been in hiding. </p>
<p>mitrokhen was also (dont know if he is still alive) permanently in hiding&#8230; </p>
<p>but litvenenko was one in the open, and ended up being poisioned with radioactive polonium 210. </p>
<p>in a game of lies and tricks, reversals, betrayals, and really bizarre things&#8230; one will never know a confirmed clear thing as one will only be able, like in science, to know after a lone while and knowing more and more as time goes by. </p>
<p>for instance&#8230; mccarthy is totally tainted&#8230; he changed the language&#8230;  he said lattimore was a spy&#8230; lattimore denied it, wrote a book where he coined the term McCarthyism&#8230;  so the whole thing was one big noisy mess, and no way to actually know&#8230; both sides had their take, and the left had the more organized negative campaign and lying practices to work.. and so seemed to win&#8230; for a time.   </p>
<p>years later..  after time passed&#8230; information about VENONA transcripts became public&#8230;(which is part of all this process), and when they became public&#8230;  the history of the past get corrected.. </p>
<p>at least in the better history books&#8230;</p>
<p>so today if you read a good history, you will find out that lattimore WAS a spy&#8230; his book was a way to deflect that&#8230; and mccarthy was very right&#8230; </p>
<p>the msm public is still on the public old thread and hasnt updated the history with venona information, mitrokhen info, etc. </p>
<p>so take from this what you will.. </p>
<p>that in all honesty&#8230; you have to use your skills and work the information yourself and try to catch them at lying then adjust your trust&#8230;  never trust them or anything 100% from the start, and basically constantly assess, reassess, and adjust as more empirical information comes around.. </p>
<p>life was always to be a learning thing througout&#8230; </p>
<p>given the limitations of knowing&#8230; this should be clear&#8230; nothing is static&#8230;   and we have to navigate that&#8230; </p>
<p>[even if you knew the spies personally, you cant trust what you may think you know or dont know]</p>
<p>good luck&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: FredHjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>FredHjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>greenyshade,

What are your issues with Pacepa?  Exactly what troubles you about him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>greenyshade,</p>
<p>What are your issues with Pacepa?  Exactly what troubles you about him?</p>
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		<title>By: greeneyeshade</title>
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		<dc:creator>greeneyeshade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one small addition to grackle&#039;s fine refutation of the claim that the united states &#039;armed and financed&#039; saddam hussein against iraq: the stockholm international peace research institute, hardly a pro-american voice, ran the numbers about the time the current war started, and found that saddam got something like 1 percent of his weapons from us. his big suppliers were france, china and the ussr and his successor states.
and about pacepa&#039;s claims: i&#039;ve seen a lot of them, but does anyone know how reliable he really is? is there any way of finding out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one small addition to grackle&#8217;s fine refutation of the claim that the united states &#8216;armed and financed&#8217; saddam hussein against iraq: the stockholm international peace research institute, hardly a pro-american voice, ran the numbers about the time the current war started, and found that saddam got something like 1 percent of his weapons from us. his big suppliers were france, china and the ussr and his successor states.<br />
and about pacepa&#8217;s claims: i&#8217;ve seen a lot of them, but does anyone know how reliable he really is? is there any way of finding out?</p>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Artfldgr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fredhjr, 
 Thanks for the book and article link...  dont know if i will get a chance to read it. not much reading time lately... just finishing pinkers the blank slate, and about half a dozen others (i read in groups). dont have the time i used to now i am married... ah well, trading something good for something better i guess.   :)

thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fredhjr,<br />
 Thanks for the book and article link&#8230;  dont know if i will get a chance to read it. not much reading time lately&#8230; just finishing pinkers the blank slate, and about half a dozen others (i read in groups). dont have the time i used to now i am married&#8230; ah well, trading something good for something better i guess.   <img src='http://neoneocon.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Artfldgr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>scottie,
  THANKS so much... the internal hammer was what i didnt know was on his gun... not that it really changes his idiot status much. 

so basically to make it safe you have to remove the clip, and rack the slide to eject the round...

if one were to have ownership levels for guns, then glock is for experts who take them seriously.  in my meaningless opinion. 

THANKS for making the thing make sense...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>scottie,<br />
  THANKS so much&#8230; the internal hammer was what i didnt know was on his gun&#8230; not that it really changes his idiot status much. </p>
<p>so basically to make it safe you have to remove the clip, and rack the slide to eject the round&#8230;</p>
<p>if one were to have ownership levels for guns, then glock is for experts who take them seriously.  in my meaningless opinion. </p>
<p>THANKS for making the thing make sense&#8230;</p>
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