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		<title>By: Voip Termination</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/29/hamas-and-israel-same-old-same-old-despite-obama/#comment-243299</link>
		<dc:creator>Voip Termination</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2011 16:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to follow along and let you know how , a great deal I appreciated discovering your website today. I&#8217;d consider it the honor to operate at my company and be able to operate on the tips shared on your web site and also be a part of visitors&#8217; responses like this. Should a position regarding guest article author become offered at your end, remember to let me know. <a href="http://www.ntelecom.net" rel="nofollow">callshops</a></p>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/29/hamas-and-israel-same-old-same-old-despite-obama/#comment-97824</link>
		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hyman, 

Thanks for pointing out for us an enlightened forward thinking progressive society where they &lt;strong&gt;value&lt;/strong&gt; their women. 

This was a low point in your posting....  Happy New year and hope to see less low points for you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hyman, </p>
<p>Thanks for pointing out for us an enlightened forward thinking progressive society where they <strong>value</strong> their women. </p>
<p>This was a low point in your posting&#8230;.  Happy New year and hope to see less low points for you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hyman Rosen</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/29/hamas-and-israel-same-old-same-old-despite-obama/#comment-97740</link>
		<dc:creator>Hyman Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 19:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israel is &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7796936.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;negotiating&lt;/a&gt; with Syria, mediated by Turkey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel is <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7796936.stm" rel="nofollow">negotiating</a> with Syria, mediated by Turkey.</p>
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		<title>By: Hyman Rosen</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/29/hamas-and-israel-same-old-same-old-despite-obama/#comment-97737</link>
		<dc:creator>Hyman Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 18:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To change the subject a drop: from today&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/02/world/middleeast/02mideast.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;paper&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;blockquote&gt;The Israeli air force on Thursday afternoon bombed the house of Nizar Rayyan, a senior Hamas leader, killing him along with two of his wives and four children&lt;/blockquote&gt;So much for all those claims that societies everywhere regard traditional marriage as being between one man and one woman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To change the subject a drop: from today&#8217;s <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/02/world/middleeast/02mideast.html" rel="nofollow">paper</a>,<br />
<blockquote>The Israeli air force on Thursday afternoon bombed the house of Nizar Rayyan, a senior Hamas leader, killing him along with two of his wives and four children</p></blockquote>
<p>So much for all those claims that societies everywhere regard traditional marriage as being between one man and one woman.</p>
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		<title>By: Scottie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scottie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 17:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Masyus,

ALL of the casualties on the PLO side are civilian?

Individuals who elect to walk into a school bus and blow themselves and a bunch of school kids up are rational?

Your argument is nothing more than propaganda...not worth the time to refute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Masyus,</p>
<p>ALL of the casualties on the PLO side are civilian?</p>
<p>Individuals who elect to walk into a school bus and blow themselves and a bunch of school kids up are rational?</p>
<p>Your argument is nothing more than propaganda&#8230;not worth the time to refute.</p>
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		<title>By: FredHjr</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/29/hamas-and-israel-same-old-same-old-despite-obama/#comment-97727</link>
		<dc:creator>FredHjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 16:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Masyus,

Drum roll please.....

For your gallant effort to run up the flag for your people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Masyus,</p>
<p>Drum roll please&#8230;..</p>
<p>For your gallant effort to run up the flag for your people.</p>
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		<title>By: FredHjr</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/29/hamas-and-israel-same-old-same-old-despite-obama/#comment-97688</link>
		<dc:creator>FredHjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 03:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But this can probably only occur when the final decision is taken out of both their hands.&quot;

I know what this statement means.  It is problematical from a variety of perspectives.  Let me take a stab at a couple.

First, the U.N. has no ability to stand down the IDF and the Israeli Defense Establishment from defending the nation and its people.

Implicit in the suggestion of using international bodies to enforce a cease fire and redrawn map of Israel is a lacuna in one&#039;s understanding of the goals of Islamic organizations and their faithfulness to Allah&#039;s commands and the Prophet&#039;s example.  Every single time I read a thought, a statement, an essay, a book, an editorial, a... whatever, that ruminates over the intractability of this conflict I find a corresponding lack of knowledge of understanding of the goals of the jihadists, the theology and scripture they draw inspiration from, a lack of knowledge of the history of jihad conquest, the culture of Islam, and many other considerations besides.  

Those who obey Allah and fight in the way of Allah could care less what an international body has to say about the configuration of the two-state solution.

There is only the will of the Israeli people to survive and have their nation remain intact.  And there is only the will of the Ummah to take back for Allah what they are honor bound to accomplish.  That is one of the reasons why the other Arab states have left these people dangling in the wind rather than take them in.  An artificial people with an artificial name have been basically told to restore Allah&#039;s honor and drive the Jews out.

Me, I think the Jews have the rightful claim to all of what used to be their land, taken from them by many usurpers, the latest of which, in the 7th century were the armies of abu Bakr, Muhammad&#039;s successor.  I consider Allah to be Satan, and Satan is at war with God, the Lord Creator of the Universe, who has favored a particular people to be the ones through whom He works his salvation of all of us.  But, in the interest of ending war, if the Ummah would forsake Allah&#039;s commands, I am amenable to a two state solution as long as Israel retains defensible borders.  And that means pretty much a lot of what it gained in war in 1967 and 1948.  The pre-1967 borders are not defensible against Arab attack.

And no one can guarantee that the Ummah will not again resume the jihad.

That is why I URGE the usual poly sci, psyche, and history types to look up &quot;hudna&quot; and its meaning.  If you don&#039;t get into the mind of the enemy, you will never understand exactly where the rubber meets the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But this can probably only occur when the final decision is taken out of both their hands.&#8221;</p>
<p>I know what this statement means.  It is problematical from a variety of perspectives.  Let me take a stab at a couple.</p>
<p>First, the U.N. has no ability to stand down the IDF and the Israeli Defense Establishment from defending the nation and its people.</p>
<p>Implicit in the suggestion of using international bodies to enforce a cease fire and redrawn map of Israel is a lacuna in one&#8217;s understanding of the goals of Islamic organizations and their faithfulness to Allah&#8217;s commands and the Prophet&#8217;s example.  Every single time I read a thought, a statement, an essay, a book, an editorial, a&#8230; whatever, that ruminates over the intractability of this conflict I find a corresponding lack of knowledge of understanding of the goals of the jihadists, the theology and scripture they draw inspiration from, a lack of knowledge of the history of jihad conquest, the culture of Islam, and many other considerations besides.  </p>
<p>Those who obey Allah and fight in the way of Allah could care less what an international body has to say about the configuration of the two-state solution.</p>
<p>There is only the will of the Israeli people to survive and have their nation remain intact.  And there is only the will of the Ummah to take back for Allah what they are honor bound to accomplish.  That is one of the reasons why the other Arab states have left these people dangling in the wind rather than take them in.  An artificial people with an artificial name have been basically told to restore Allah&#8217;s honor and drive the Jews out.</p>
<p>Me, I think the Jews have the rightful claim to all of what used to be their land, taken from them by many usurpers, the latest of which, in the 7th century were the armies of abu Bakr, Muhammad&#8217;s successor.  I consider Allah to be Satan, and Satan is at war with God, the Lord Creator of the Universe, who has favored a particular people to be the ones through whom He works his salvation of all of us.  But, in the interest of ending war, if the Ummah would forsake Allah&#8217;s commands, I am amenable to a two state solution as long as Israel retains defensible borders.  And that means pretty much a lot of what it gained in war in 1967 and 1948.  The pre-1967 borders are not defensible against Arab attack.</p>
<p>And no one can guarantee that the Ummah will not again resume the jihad.</p>
<p>That is why I URGE the usual poly sci, psyche, and history types to look up &#8220;hudna&#8221; and its meaning.  If you don&#8217;t get into the mind of the enemy, you will never understand exactly where the rubber meets the road.</p>
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		<title>By: Hyman Rosen</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/29/hamas-and-israel-same-old-same-old-despite-obama/#comment-97671</link>
		<dc:creator>Hyman Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is, Israel participates in both attacks and negotiations as she perceives suits the moment.

How much must you hate military Jews to constantly be urging that they be sent into harm&#039;s way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is, Israel participates in both attacks and negotiations as she perceives suits the moment.</p>
<p>How much must you hate military Jews to constantly be urging that they be sent into harm&#8217;s way?</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/29/hamas-and-israel-same-old-same-old-despite-obama/#comment-97646</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Israel is doing just fine in its attempts to balance attacks and negotiations.&lt;/b&gt;

How much must you hate civilian Jews to say that Israel has been doing fine?

I knew that casualties in war were perfectly fine with the Left, so long as their purposes were served, but do you truly see a never ending cycle of violence and a perpetual war for Israel as being &quot;fine&quot; for Israel?

&quot;Balancing&quot; attacks and negotiations must ultimately mean more dead civilians to the Left. That is a good thing, supposedly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Israel is doing just fine in its attempts to balance attacks and negotiations.</b></p>
<p>How much must you hate civilian Jews to say that Israel has been doing fine?</p>
<p>I knew that casualties in war were perfectly fine with the Left, so long as their purposes were served, but do you truly see a never ending cycle of violence and a perpetual war for Israel as being &#8220;fine&#8221; for Israel?</p>
<p>&#8220;Balancing&#8221; attacks and negotiations must ultimately mean more dead civilians to the Left. That is a good thing, supposedly.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;But this can probably only occur when the final decision is taken out of both their hands.&lt;/b&gt;

This does require some enforcement agency. Currently, neither Israel nor Hamas wants American intervention.

America has proven that we can mediate differences between factions that want to kill each other, at least in Iraq. But only if we have forces on the ground and with the freedom to capture, kill, and make deals with the locals.

The Israeli vs Palestinian conflict came about due to the proxy warfare between Soviet Russia and freedom loving America.

Arming and supporting both sides hoping for some kind of sitzkrieg has been tried and it created the situation in the first place.

Even though American troops can solve the problem, permanently, between the Jews and the Philistines, finding support for this amongst Americans and Jews and Palestinians will be almost impossible.

The supporters of human progress in Iraq and the enemies of terrorists would optimally want American ground forces to be used elsewhere, in order to attack terrorism, rather than try to hold more ground. The Israelis are not the Shia or the Sunnis of Iraq in 2003. The Israelis can take care of themselves. They can take care of Hamas. They have decided not to. That is their choice to make and since it is their price to pay, they are either satisfied with it or they are not. So long as it is their children that are dying, there&#039;s nothing much we can do or should do.

The Cold War is over. The Russians are no longer backing the Philistines against our ally in the MidEast, Israel. Israel doesn&#039;t need our help against the Arab nations surrounding her. Israel has proven she can defeat those nations in a conventional war. Israel also has many weapons, such as nukes, unused, if she needs an &quot;unconventional&quot; solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>But this can probably only occur when the final decision is taken out of both their hands.</b></p>
<p>This does require some enforcement agency. Currently, neither Israel nor Hamas wants American intervention.</p>
<p>America has proven that we can mediate differences between factions that want to kill each other, at least in Iraq. But only if we have forces on the ground and with the freedom to capture, kill, and make deals with the locals.</p>
<p>The Israeli vs Palestinian conflict came about due to the proxy warfare between Soviet Russia and freedom loving America.</p>
<p>Arming and supporting both sides hoping for some kind of sitzkrieg has been tried and it created the situation in the first place.</p>
<p>Even though American troops can solve the problem, permanently, between the Jews and the Philistines, finding support for this amongst Americans and Jews and Palestinians will be almost impossible.</p>
<p>The supporters of human progress in Iraq and the enemies of terrorists would optimally want American ground forces to be used elsewhere, in order to attack terrorism, rather than try to hold more ground. The Israelis are not the Shia or the Sunnis of Iraq in 2003. The Israelis can take care of themselves. They can take care of Hamas. They have decided not to. That is their choice to make and since it is their price to pay, they are either satisfied with it or they are not. So long as it is their children that are dying, there&#8217;s nothing much we can do or should do.</p>
<p>The Cold War is over. The Russians are no longer backing the Philistines against our ally in the MidEast, Israel. Israel doesn&#8217;t need our help against the Arab nations surrounding her. Israel has proven she can defeat those nations in a conventional war. Israel also has many weapons, such as nukes, unused, if she needs an &#8220;unconventional&#8221; solution.</p>
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