Comments on: The politics of the DSM http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/30/the-politics-of-the-dsm/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:36:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: neo-neocon http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/30/the-politics-of-the-dsm/#comment-97631 neo-neocon Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:22:43 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/30/the-politics-of-the-dsm/#comment-97631 Tom: The drug companies are involved heavily in the definitions of certain illnesses, such as when a person has high cholesterol that needs treating. The research is iffy in many ways, but the recommendations to treat keep widening, and more and more drugs are sold. There are also fashions in treatment---such as the widespread use of certain heart surgeries, and then later on more and more indication that many cases do just as well or better with medication. Very often recommendations of all sorts are made with little evidence, and then when the research comes in it turns out to be the opposite of what was thought (such as, for example, hormones for post-menopausal women to prevent heart disease). Tom: The drug companies are involved heavily in the definitions of certain illnesses, such as when a person has high cholesterol that needs treating. The research is iffy in many ways, but the recommendations to treat keep widening, and more and more drugs are sold.

There are also fashions in treatment—such as the widespread use of certain heart surgeries, and then later on more and more indication that many cases do just as well or better with medication.

Very often recommendations of all sorts are made with little evidence, and then when the research comes in it turns out to be the opposite of what was thought (such as, for example, hormones for post-menopausal women to prevent heart disease).

]]> By: Bugs http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/30/the-politics-of-the-dsm/#comment-97625 Bugs Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:09:10 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/30/the-politics-of-the-dsm/#comment-97625 Whatever I got, I hope they put it in this time. Whatever I got, I hope they put it in this time.

]]> By: Tom http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/30/the-politics-of-the-dsm/#comment-97617 Tom Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:17:32 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/30/the-politics-of-the-dsm/#comment-97617 The present medical model, ICD-9, has been in use for a generation, so there are seriously outdated diagnoses; see lymphomas, for example. The update, ICD-10 has been in draft form for several years; but that's the committee-consensus, WHO way. I will ask Neo to back up her charges re politics, fashion and special interests re ICD-9 with a few examples. I have no argument with her position on DSM. The present medical model, ICD-9, has been in use for a generation, so there are seriously outdated diagnoses; see lymphomas, for example. The update, ICD-10 has been in draft form for several years; but that’s the committee-consensus, WHO way.
I will ask Neo to back up her charges re politics, fashion and special interests re ICD-9 with a few examples. I have no argument with her position on DSM.

]]> By: njcommuter http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/30/the-politics-of-the-dsm/#comment-97599 njcommuter Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:04:12 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/30/the-politics-of-the-dsm/#comment-97599 Actually, I think the diagnosis would be 'naivete'. But there may be a large overlap between that and 'liberal', since the latter seems immune to learning from history. Actually, I think the diagnosis would be ‘naivete’. But there may be a large overlap between that and ‘liberal’, since the latter seems immune to learning from history.

]]> By: Perfected democrat http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/30/the-politics-of-the-dsm/#comment-97592 Perfected democrat Wed, 31 Dec 2008 07:07:16 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/30/the-politics-of-the-dsm/#comment-97592 Take your pill, life will be better in the morning... Take your pill, life will be better in the morning…

]]> By: Perfected democrat http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/30/the-politics-of-the-dsm/#comment-97589 Perfected democrat Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:33:43 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/30/the-politics-of-the-dsm/#comment-97589 "...there must be a diagnosis for that somewhere." The one about insanity defined as the repetition of the same behaviour, while hoping for a different outcome; Oh, what relief, it's time for my soma now, good night.... “…there must be a diagnosis for that somewhere.”

The one about insanity defined as the repetition of the same behaviour, while hoping for a different outcome; Oh, what relief, it’s time for my soma now, good night….

]]> By: I R A Darth Aggie http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/30/the-politics-of-the-dsm/#comment-97585 I R A Darth Aggie Wed, 31 Dec 2008 05:26:14 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/30/the-politics-of-the-dsm/#comment-97585 <i>I swear there’s a niche for a DSM <strike>board</strike> drinking game.</i> There. Fixed it for you. I swear there’s a niche for a DSM board drinking game.

There. Fixed it for you.

]]> By: huxley http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/30/the-politics-of-the-dsm/#comment-97572 huxley Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:37:45 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/30/the-politics-of-the-dsm/#comment-97572 I swear there's a niche for a DSM board game. I swear there’s a niche for a DSM board game.

]]> By: 11B40 http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/30/the-politics-of-the-dsm/#comment-97556 11B40 Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:59:19 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/30/the-politics-of-the-dsm/#comment-97556 Greetings: When I took "Abnormal Psychology" back in college (back when homosexuality was still included) I remember the professor telling the class that they would find themselves on every page and that they would be wrong. Greetings:

When I took “Abnormal Psychology” back in college (back when homosexuality was still included) I remember the professor telling the class that they would find themselves on every page and that they would be wrong.

]]> By: Ozyripus http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/30/the-politics-of-the-dsm/#comment-97544 Ozyripus Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:44:57 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/30/the-politics-of-the-dsm/#comment-97544 This indeed is an interesting subject, neo. And I do not use the word "interesting" as the antonym for interesting. Aren't most of our arguments about religion, politics, social standard, and getting a divorce -- to one degree or another --arguments as to who is the crazy one? Does make for an interesting life. This indeed is an interesting subject, neo. And I do not use the word “interesting” as the antonym for interesting.

Aren’t most of our arguments about religion, politics, social standard, and getting a divorce — to one degree or another –arguments as to who is the crazy one?

Does make for an interesting life.

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