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	<title>Comments on: For the AP, the new year&#8217;s the same as the old</title>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/01/01/for-the-ap-the-new-years-the-same-as-the-old/#comment-98098</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Neo, I’ve tried posting something here 3 times, apparently without success.&lt;/b&gt;

You used some prohibited &quot;spam&quot; word. I suggest you break your comments up in paragraphs and post them separately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Neo, I’ve tried posting something here 3 times, apparently without success.</b></p>
<p>You used some prohibited &#8220;spam&#8221; word. I suggest you break your comments up in paragraphs and post them separately.</p>
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		<title>By: waltj</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/01/01/for-the-ap-the-new-years-the-same-as-the-old/#comment-97900</link>
		<dc:creator>waltj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 13:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neo, I&#039;ve tried posting something here 3 times, apparently without success.  Don&#039;t know if it&#039;s something on your end or mine (probably the latter).  Since all 3 postings are similar, could you delete the first two (after my 1 Jan 11:12 pm one) and keep the third?  And delete this one as well?  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, I&#8217;ve tried posting something here 3 times, apparently without success.  Don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s something on your end or mine (probably the latter).  Since all 3 postings are similar, could you delete the first two (after my 1 Jan 11:12 pm one) and keep the third?  And delete this one as well?  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/01/01/for-the-ap-the-new-years-the-same-as-the-old/#comment-97846</link>
		<dc:creator>Artfldgr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 23:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>waltj,
   i found indonesian television very interesting (like clockwork orange for cigarettes)...  i knew how bad it was while i just left jojakarta and was in jakarta and was watching obama and another describing jakarta as a paradise (as if it might be more like bali - which isnt a paradise to me. the mountains are better for my kind of happy).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>waltj,<br />
   i found indonesian television very interesting (like clockwork orange for cigarettes)&#8230;  i knew how bad it was while i just left jojakarta and was in jakarta and was watching obama and another describing jakarta as a paradise (as if it might be more like bali &#8211; which isnt a paradise to me. the mountains are better for my kind of happy).</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/01/01/for-the-ap-the-new-years-the-same-as-the-old/#comment-97841</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 23:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are for Iran&#039;s national security, Baklava. And Russia&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are for Iran&#8217;s national security, Baklava. And Russia&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/01/01/for-the-ap-the-new-years-the-same-as-the-old/#comment-97819</link>
		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry. I meant that to be in the new year&#039;s thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry. I meant that to be in the new year&#8217;s thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/01/01/for-the-ap-the-new-years-the-same-as-the-old/#comment-97818</link>
		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why I generally don&#039;t vote for Democrats as leaders:
1) http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/01/01/democratic-voters-do-not-support-israeli-air-strikes/#more-14436

Because they are not for national security generally. 

2) Because every Democrat leader I know is racist - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Connerly
It is not acceptable to be in favor of discrimination or preferential treatment based on race. If government is going to be in the business of giving a hand-up then it should do so for all who are economically or socially disadvantaged...

3) Because Senate TaxPayer friends as awarded by the National TaxPayer Union tend NOT to be Democrats http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=151</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why I generally don&#8217;t vote for Democrats as leaders:<br />
1) <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/01/01/democratic-voters-do-not-support-israeli-air-strikes/#more-14436" rel="nofollow">http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/01/01/democratic-voters-do-not-support-israeli-air-strikes/#more-14436</a></p>
<p>Because they are not for national security generally. </p>
<p>2) Because every Democrat leader I know is racist &#8211; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Connerly" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Connerly</a><br />
It is not acceptable to be in favor of discrimination or preferential treatment based on race. If government is going to be in the business of giving a hand-up then it should do so for all who are economically or socially disadvantaged&#8230;</p>
<p>3) Because Senate TaxPayer friends as awarded by the National TaxPayer Union tend NOT to be Democrats <a href="http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=151" rel="nofollow">http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=151</a></p>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/01/01/for-the-ap-the-new-years-the-same-as-the-old/#comment-97817</link>
		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/01/AR2009010101932_pf.html

We are all just paranoid people.... really.</description>
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<p>We are all just paranoid people&#8230;. really.</p>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/01/01/for-the-ap-the-new-years-the-same-as-the-old/#comment-97815</link>
		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 16:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neo wrote, &quot;&lt;em&gt;Some of his other children died in the blast&lt;/em&gt;&quot;

Oh good. Suicide bombers completed their mission before they got started.....

&lt;strong&gt;Truth&lt;/strong&gt; That article you linked was highly flawed.

Statements like:
1) The immediate backdrop begins with the Israeli disengagement from Gaza of summer 2005, ostensibly a good move, except one that left more issues open than it resolved. It was a unilateral initiative, so there was no coordinating the ‘what happens next’ with the Palestinians
&lt;strong&gt;response:&lt;/strong&gt; How about they stop with the suicide bombings, teaching their children to be suicide bombers, lobbing rockets into Israel cities, having bad faith negotiations like the one in 2000 where they refused the very good deal.

2) Rather than test the Hamas capacity to govern responsibly and nurture Hamas further into the political arena and away from armed struggle, the U.S.-led international response was to hermetically seal-off Hamas, besiege Gaza, work to undemocratically overthrow the Hamas government 
&lt;strong&gt;Response:&lt;/strong&gt; I agree with the U.S. position. We took our position before the elections. It was clear that we would not deal with a terrorist organization as a governing power. They are not somebody you can sit down at the table with OR trade with OR allow to receive any money of any kind.

So... the article being flawed to it&#039;s core pushed the blame on the U.S. as if Hamas being a terrorist organization is the U.S. or Israel&#039;s fault. The poor serial murder was only doing what society made him do. It was all a &quot;missed opportunity&quot; by society. Blah blah blah. If I were you Truth. I&#039;d never read an article there again - that&#039;s what I&#039;m doing. And mind you - I read a lot and from a lot of different sources. But when somebody wastes your time with that dribble you can only conclude that the rest of their writing is worthless.

3) Sadly it is too late for preventive action but there is an urgent need for a de-escalation that can lead to a new ceasefire
&lt;strong&gt;response:&lt;/strong&gt; hmmm. that&#039;s one opinion. What is needed is not a ceasefire but Hamas needs to step down and Palestinians need to stop teaching their children to suicide bomb. That is not happening on the Israel side. There cannot be negotiations (though Israel has tried) with people of such bad faith making such bad faith efforts. Terror is not an option. People with such hate cannot be allowed to become prosperous and gain access to bigger and bigger weaponry. National security and defense of one&#039;s country is legitimate.

The article has the word neocon in it. How about I try to persuade you by calling you a liberal fascist. Works? :) no. Next time you link an article try to make sure it has some basic common sense!

Palestinians continue to marginalize their own selves. Israel has had to do checkpoints and security borders and blow up tunnels and find and target headquarters for one reason - Palestinians terror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo wrote, &#8220;<em>Some of his other children died in the blast</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh good. Suicide bombers completed their mission before they got started&#8230;..</p>
<p><strong>Truth</strong> That article you linked was highly flawed.</p>
<p>Statements like:<br />
1) The immediate backdrop begins with the Israeli disengagement from Gaza of summer 2005, ostensibly a good move, except one that left more issues open than it resolved. It was a unilateral initiative, so there was no coordinating the ‘what happens next’ with the Palestinians<br />
<strong>response:</strong> How about they stop with the suicide bombings, teaching their children to be suicide bombers, lobbing rockets into Israel cities, having bad faith negotiations like the one in 2000 where they refused the very good deal.</p>
<p>2) Rather than test the Hamas capacity to govern responsibly and nurture Hamas further into the political arena and away from armed struggle, the U.S.-led international response was to hermetically seal-off Hamas, besiege Gaza, work to undemocratically overthrow the Hamas government<br />
<strong>Response:</strong> I agree with the U.S. position. We took our position before the elections. It was clear that we would not deal with a terrorist organization as a governing power. They are not somebody you can sit down at the table with OR trade with OR allow to receive any money of any kind.</p>
<p>So&#8230; the article being flawed to it&#8217;s core pushed the blame on the U.S. as if Hamas being a terrorist organization is the U.S. or Israel&#8217;s fault. The poor serial murder was only doing what society made him do. It was all a &#8220;missed opportunity&#8221; by society. Blah blah blah. If I were you Truth. I&#8217;d never read an article there again &#8211; that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m doing. And mind you &#8211; I read a lot and from a lot of different sources. But when somebody wastes your time with that dribble you can only conclude that the rest of their writing is worthless.</p>
<p>3) Sadly it is too late for preventive action but there is an urgent need for a de-escalation that can lead to a new ceasefire<br />
<strong>response:</strong> hmmm. that&#8217;s one opinion. What is needed is not a ceasefire but Hamas needs to step down and Palestinians need to stop teaching their children to suicide bomb. That is not happening on the Israel side. There cannot be negotiations (though Israel has tried) with people of such bad faith making such bad faith efforts. Terror is not an option. People with such hate cannot be allowed to become prosperous and gain access to bigger and bigger weaponry. National security and defense of one&#8217;s country is legitimate.</p>
<p>The article has the word neocon in it. How about I try to persuade you by calling you a liberal fascist. Works? <img src='http://neoneocon.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  no. Next time you link an article try to make sure it has some basic common sense!</p>
<p>Palestinians continue to marginalize their own selves. Israel has had to do checkpoints and security borders and blow up tunnels and find and target headquarters for one reason &#8211; Palestinians terror.</p>
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		<title>By: Perfected democrat</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/01/01/for-the-ap-the-new-years-the-same-as-the-old/#comment-97797</link>
		<dc:creator>Perfected democrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 09:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It will require tenacity and bold ideas – in framing the solution, bringing in previously excluded actors, creating mechanisms to implement a deal (such as international forces) and utilizing the Saudi-led Arab Peace Initiative – but the alternative is far worse, its what we see today and it guarantees ongoing instability in a region of paramount importance to the United States.&quot; - Daniel Levy

This is simply another Oslo style perspective, incredibly naive and the worst possible scenario, because it places a long-run misguided faith in the ultimate motives of the islamist-arab world, especially the Saudi&#039;s agenda.  A fully independent and sovereign &quot;palestinian&quot; entity in the West Bank, coordinated with a Hezbollah dominated Lebanon, and an Assad ruled Syria in conjunction with Russian and Iranian high tech weapons, time and training will set the stage for a final assault on an emasculated Israel;  Perhaps as soon as one to two decades following some agreement imposed by a fleeting Obama administration.  Factor in the very real possibility of the eventual demise of the Jordanian monarchy.  The only redeeming aspect will be that a Saddam led Iraq regime will not be there (thanks to GW and company) to further endanger the situation.  Anyone who seriously thinks otherwise is grasping at straws, or simply dishonest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It will require tenacity and bold ideas – in framing the solution, bringing in previously excluded actors, creating mechanisms to implement a deal (such as international forces) and utilizing the Saudi-led Arab Peace Initiative – but the alternative is far worse, its what we see today and it guarantees ongoing instability in a region of paramount importance to the United States.&#8221; &#8211; Daniel Levy</p>
<p>This is simply another Oslo style perspective, incredibly naive and the worst possible scenario, because it places a long-run misguided faith in the ultimate motives of the islamist-arab world, especially the Saudi&#8217;s agenda.  A fully independent and sovereign &#8220;palestinian&#8221; entity in the West Bank, coordinated with a Hezbollah dominated Lebanon, and an Assad ruled Syria in conjunction with Russian and Iranian high tech weapons, time and training will set the stage for a final assault on an emasculated Israel;  Perhaps as soon as one to two decades following some agreement imposed by a fleeting Obama administration.  Factor in the very real possibility of the eventual demise of the Jordanian monarchy.  The only redeeming aspect will be that a Saddam led Iraq regime will not be there (thanks to GW and company) to further endanger the situation.  Anyone who seriously thinks otherwise is grasping at straws, or simply dishonest.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out this guy&#039;s post for an illustration of the difference between &lt;a href=&quot;http://howlsatmoon.blogspot.com/2008/12/all-i-have-to-say.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a soldier of Palestine and a soldier of Israel.&lt;/a&gt;

That said, Israel has  a rapidly closing window of opportunity. They know what is at stake. And they know that their window closes on January 20th.

If they are to survive, they will have to take out Iran&#039;s budding nuclear facility before then.

HOPE I am wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out this guy&#8217;s post for an illustration of the difference between <a href="http://howlsatmoon.blogspot.com/2008/12/all-i-have-to-say.html" rel="nofollow">a soldier of Palestine and a soldier of Israel.</a></p>
<p>That said, Israel has  a rapidly closing window of opportunity. They know what is at stake. And they know that their window closes on January 20th.</p>
<p>If they are to survive, they will have to take out Iran&#8217;s budding nuclear facility before then.</p>
<p>HOPE I am wrong.</p>
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