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	<title>Comments on: Panetta: Obama makes an unintelligent choice for head of intelligence</title>
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		<title>By: Bugs</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/01/06/panetta-obama-makes-an-unintelligent-choice-for-head-of-intelligence/#comment-98378</link>
		<dc:creator>Bugs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worry about Obama&#039;s lack of experience, and some of his appointments are truly odd. I&#039;m torn, however, between a desire for experienced people at the helm and a dislike for the ossified Washington culture that those people live in. Are there really any experienced spooks who aren&#039;t somehow implicated in the laming of our intelligence services? And is there anyone else who is really capable of jumping in and changing the culture in those services? I would say both are unlikely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worry about Obama&#8217;s lack of experience, and some of his appointments are truly odd. I&#8217;m torn, however, between a desire for experienced people at the helm and a dislike for the ossified Washington culture that those people live in. Are there really any experienced spooks who aren&#8217;t somehow implicated in the laming of our intelligence services? And is there anyone else who is really capable of jumping in and changing the culture in those services? I would say both are unlikely.</p>
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		<title>By: Assistant Village Idiot</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/01/06/panetta-obama-makes-an-unintelligent-choice-for-head-of-intelligence/#comment-98301</link>
		<dc:creator>Assistant Village Idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Occam&#039;s Beard, thanks for the Corner link (I follow the Insty links, my son The Corner and we exchange, but he&#039;s been falling down on the job lately.  Something to do with being a dad, now, he says).  If Obama has made a selection who won&#039;t make things worse and might bring needed reforms, that&#039;s as good as we could have hoped for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Occam&#8217;s Beard, thanks for the Corner link (I follow the Insty links, my son The Corner and we exchange, but he&#8217;s been falling down on the job lately.  Something to do with being a dad, now, he says).  If Obama has made a selection who won&#8217;t make things worse and might bring needed reforms, that&#8217;s as good as we could have hoped for.</p>
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		<title>By: huxley</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/01/06/panetta-obama-makes-an-unintelligent-choice-for-head-of-intelligence/#comment-98300</link>
		<dc:creator>huxley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People remember JFK as a handsome, wealthy, charismatic young man from a well-connected family, who seemed to ascend to the presidency by divine right, but they forget that he was also a congressman for six years and senator for eight years, as well as a decorated hero in WWII. 

And JFK, for all his money and movie star appeal, lost his first bid for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Are we seeing a progressive scaling back in our expectations for our national leaders?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People remember JFK as a handsome, wealthy, charismatic young man from a well-connected family, who seemed to ascend to the presidency by divine right, but they forget that he was also a congressman for six years and senator for eight years, as well as a decorated hero in WWII. </p>
<p>And JFK, for all his money and movie star appeal, lost his first bid for the Democratic presidential nomination.</p>
<p>Are we seeing a progressive scaling back in our expectations for our national leaders?</p>
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		<title>By: huxley</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/01/06/panetta-obama-makes-an-unintelligent-choice-for-head-of-intelligence/#comment-98298</link>
		<dc:creator>huxley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good links, hmmmm!

I don&#039;t know enough about these waters to assess. Perhaps Panetta&#039;s tenures as budget director and chief of staff under Clinton does make Panetta more knowledgeable about intelligence than he appears.

Nonetheless, I am struck this past year by the Democrats&#039; and Democrat voters&#039; repudiation of experience as a major qualification for running the highest levels of US government.

Starting with Obama himself, an undistinguished junior senator, to Al Franken, a comedian and satirist, and now Caroline Kennedy, a socialite with a very special last name, there seems to be no bottom to who the Democrats will pick for running things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good links, hmmmm!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know enough about these waters to assess. Perhaps Panetta&#8217;s tenures as budget director and chief of staff under Clinton does make Panetta more knowledgeable about intelligence than he appears.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, I am struck this past year by the Democrats&#8217; and Democrat voters&#8217; repudiation of experience as a major qualification for running the highest levels of US government.</p>
<p>Starting with Obama himself, an undistinguished junior senator, to Al Franken, a comedian and satirist, and now Caroline Kennedy, a socialite with a very special last name, there seems to be no bottom to who the Democrats will pick for running things.</p>
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		<title>By: hrrmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>hrrmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 10:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is Fred Kaplan in Slate:

http://www.slate.com/id/2208020/

and and intresting post at NRO:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MDQ3ZmRmNTQyY2ZiNzY5NjIxMzk3NjJkZTNhNGMzNTY=

Both are in favor of the Panetta pick. I don&#039;t know how things will work out, but I woudn&#039;t be so quick to jump to conclusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is Fred Kaplan in Slate:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2208020/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2208020/</a></p>
<p>and and intresting post at NRO:</p>
<p><a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MDQ3ZmRmNTQyY2ZiNzY5NjIxMzk3NjJkZTNhNGMzNTY" rel="nofollow">http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MDQ3ZmRmNTQyY2ZiNzY5NjIxMzk3NjJkZTNhNGMzNTY</a>=</p>
<p>Both are in favor of the Panetta pick. I don&#8217;t know how things will work out, but I woudn&#8217;t be so quick to jump to conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: Perfected democrat</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/01/06/panetta-obama-makes-an-unintelligent-choice-for-head-of-intelligence/#comment-98262</link>
		<dc:creator>Perfected democrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 06:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Obama is going to rely on Gates and Petreaus for his intelligence.&quot;

More likely, he is going to rely on General Jones to tell him what he wants to hear.  Obama has never been known for his loyalty...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Obama is going to rely on Gates and Petreaus for his intelligence.&#8221;</p>
<p>More likely, he is going to rely on General Jones to tell him what he wants to hear.  Obama has never been known for his loyalty&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Perfected democrat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perfected democrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 06:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe there is hope that we will be in for more than just government as performance art for the next four years.&quot;

A well coined line, except, it&#039;s exactly backwards and becoming quite clear that &quot;performance art&quot; is all we are going to get.  Obama isn&#039;t interested in American national security or &quot;intelligence&quot;, he never was, other than recently suggesting that he &quot;thought&quot; about enlisting in the military, but the war was over... a joke really, is anyone gullible enough to believe that?  I&#039;m getting repetitive here, but this is a (formerly) United States Senator who did everything possible, personally, to undermine the war in Iraq.  He is a master manipulator, more than he is &quot;smart&quot;, and  has always and only been interested, not in traditional American values and institutions, but in far left-wing ideology and muslim radical agendas.  This focus is well exemplified in his political activism and orientation, academic acquaintances, and intimate personal friends for at least three decades; From his college years (visiting Pakistan when it was illegal for American citizens), until he quit Wright&#039;s church to placate the mainstream media and their shallow majority audience; From unprecedented voter registration and campaign finance fraud, to his foundation in the notoriously corrupt Chicago Democratic Party political culture; To his obfuscation of his personal history, an almost total lack of transparency exemplified by his failure to open the most mundane of records, including an authentic birth certificate, selective service registration, college records and papers.  Starting January 20, America, and especially Israel, may be in more serious long-term jeapardy than anyone is possibly imagining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe there is hope that we will be in for more than just government as performance art for the next four years.&#8221;</p>
<p>A well coined line, except, it&#8217;s exactly backwards and becoming quite clear that &#8220;performance art&#8221; is all we are going to get.  Obama isn&#8217;t interested in American national security or &#8220;intelligence&#8221;, he never was, other than recently suggesting that he &#8220;thought&#8221; about enlisting in the military, but the war was over&#8230; a joke really, is anyone gullible enough to believe that?  I&#8217;m getting repetitive here, but this is a (formerly) United States Senator who did everything possible, personally, to undermine the war in Iraq.  He is a master manipulator, more than he is &#8220;smart&#8221;, and  has always and only been interested, not in traditional American values and institutions, but in far left-wing ideology and muslim radical agendas.  This focus is well exemplified in his political activism and orientation, academic acquaintances, and intimate personal friends for at least three decades; From his college years (visiting Pakistan when it was illegal for American citizens), until he quit Wright&#8217;s church to placate the mainstream media and their shallow majority audience; From unprecedented voter registration and campaign finance fraud, to his foundation in the notoriously corrupt Chicago Democratic Party political culture; To his obfuscation of his personal history, an almost total lack of transparency exemplified by his failure to open the most mundane of records, including an authentic birth certificate, selective service registration, college records and papers.  Starting January 20, America, and especially Israel, may be in more serious long-term jeapardy than anyone is possibly imagining.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 06:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Panetta is there to stomp on them. Obama is going to rely on Gates and Petreaus for his intelligence.&lt;/i&gt;

Wow.  That&#039;s optimism in action.  I dearly hope you are right, but I have no previous evidence to believe that.

I have some cynicism in action for you:  It doesn&#039;t matter who he appoints as CIA Director, they really couldn&#039;t do any worse:  The CIA has as much to do with intelligence as the Department of Education has to do with teaching 8th graders math.

My previous evidence?  I had the misfortune of working with them a little in the 90s.  It was a very nice AIDS Quilt in the lobby at Langley, but it really didn&#039;t help protect America; as we all learned on 9/11.

Remember Mike Spann http://www.honormikespann.org/

Under supported; undermanned; unbelievable....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Panetta is there to stomp on them. Obama is going to rely on Gates and Petreaus for his intelligence.</i></p>
<p>Wow.  That&#8217;s optimism in action.  I dearly hope you are right, but I have no previous evidence to believe that.</p>
<p>I have some cynicism in action for you:  It doesn&#8217;t matter who he appoints as CIA Director, they really couldn&#8217;t do any worse:  The CIA has as much to do with intelligence as the Department of Education has to do with teaching 8th graders math.</p>
<p>My previous evidence?  I had the misfortune of working with them a little in the 90s.  It was a very nice AIDS Quilt in the lobby at Langley, but it really didn&#8217;t help protect America; as we all learned on 9/11.</p>
<p>Remember Mike Spann <a href="http://www.honormikespann.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.honormikespann.org/</a></p>
<p>Under supported; undermanned; unbelievable&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 05:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Panetta is there to protect Obama from the CIA. Bush was under constant attack from that ineffective bureaucratic cancer and never did get it under control. Porter Goss anyone? Obama has to do hard stuff, like ramp up the war in Afghanistan, and the CIA traitors won&#039;t like that. Panetta is there to stomp on them. Obama is going to rely on Gates and Petreaus for his intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Panetta is there to protect Obama from the CIA. Bush was under constant attack from that ineffective bureaucratic cancer and never did get it under control. Porter Goss anyone? Obama has to do hard stuff, like ramp up the war in Afghanistan, and the CIA traitors won&#8217;t like that. Panetta is there to stomp on them. Obama is going to rely on Gates and Petreaus for his intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Lemieux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Lemieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link, Occam&#039;s Beard. Ishmael Jones has to be taken seriously. 

Maybe there is hope that we will be in for more than just government as performance art for the next four years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, Occam&#8217;s Beard. Ishmael Jones has to be taken seriously. </p>
<p>Maybe there is hope that we will be in for more than just government as performance art for the next four years.</p>
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