You’re not here, Art, and neither am I. Even Neoneocon isn’t “here”. This is a weblog, not a conference room. If I wish to address you directly, as I am doing now, I will be sure to let you know when I am addressing you directly. (BTW, I am addressing you directly, in case you haven’t figured that out yet.) My last comment was for huxley.
As I have stated before, no one is disputing your facts, just your conclusions that the police state is upon us. Government, even relatively benign ones like ours, by their very nature hurt people either deliberately or inadvertently. The very fact you and I can exchange ideas and opinions in this forum is proof enough to me we are a damned sight away from the midnight roundups you keep crying worf about.
And, typical of your level of paranoia, no one is suggesting you not be allowed to comment here. Just don’t expect your delusional rants to go unchallenged, even ridiculed. I and others have questioned why you don’t have your own blog. You claim you do, as well as visit other sites playing Paul Revere. Fine. I just wonder why I see no ships in the harbor, or regiments marching while you scream “the redcoats are coming!”.

That’s exactly it.

- G

Sometimes he has some insightful things to say, but it all drowns in the paranoia

parnoia is only paranoia when no one is out to get you.

personally they just got 40k of my tax money with the bail out… no? so is it paranoid to think they are going to take more? is it parnoid to think that they are going to do what their ideology says?

Paranoia

The individual thinks that harm is occurring, or is going to occur, to him or her.

The individual thinks that the persecutor has the intention to cause harm.

the key word is think…

do i think that our leaders are going to harm us? yes

do i think that they intend to do this? yes

now the thing that makes it paranoia or prudence.

are they hurting people? yes
do they intend to do more harm? yes

intentions have nothing to do with it.

the argyument that i should get a blog is an argument to remove me from the discussion where it is occuring. my reasons are not paranoia, but prudence.

lee… you dont like what i say
you also cant refute me, or do you desire to leave your lazy comfortable spot to research to refute me.

so your using a collective nasty thing to try to get rid of me. talking to others as if i am not here, and being snide about me. why? oh, to get a collective going to crush the individual who doesnt cooperate with your end goals.

the topic here in this thread was social justice and economics.

how does having a discussion as to me, my reasons for not sitting in a cave waiting for you to come. are you saying that the whole concept of missionary and NGO is invalid, or only when i do it?

this is trying to win by another means
to cut or shame the tall poppy that blows the curve

i have had this all my life from bronx science thru various employ…

actually lee, i do have my own venue for writing…
want to see it?

go to blogwonks and mensnewsdaily…

you can see my articles next to bob parks, doug powers, and many others.

but i get tired hacking out articles sometimes and i take breaks, and visit other places which have intelligent people and civil discussion.

you can go and read them if you want..
Eternal Maiden Actualization is here! You can call her EMA
blogwonks.com/2008/06/20/eternal-maiden-actualization-is-here-you-can-call-her-ema/

blogwonks and mensnewsdaily get quite a lot of hits… but its not about that.

i have been posting against ideological things for almost 10 years now… mostly feminist commentary… so there are a lot of wackaloon mil femnuts out there…

so lee… i will not leave to make your tiny collective happy… your going to have to study and refute me.

and your going to have to show me how the state doesnt hurt people in order to prove me paranoid, not just assert it because your super confident ignorance makes it a conclusion.

i do not have a blog, because i dont want to be a sitting target. with defiance out in the movies, people cant understand that i am hiding in the woods… as i move over time from place to place i have a large following of people that follow me… they like to tune into what i say… often i find them appear on other sites and such. some have appeared here too… but i wont say.

Sometimes he has some insightful things to say, but it all drowns in the paranoia. Like a dollar pancake in a gallon of syrup.

If you wish people to read your comments, I suggest you post in a more considerate and readable fashion, i.e. not shoveling large amounts of unformatted text sometimes bolded, sometimes italicized onto the screen.

Apparently other people have more patience, but I continue to find your posts a blight in this blog.

Hah!

And I’ve commented on this here (shameless plug):

http://21stcenturyschizoidman.blogspot.com/2009/02/causality-and-inevitability.html

this is the first time i have ever seen such a page in any year that i have ever used the net.

interesting eh?

It is commonly asserted that there are in the United States no classes, and any allusion to classes is resented. On the other hand, we constantly read and hear discussions of social topics in which the existence of social classes is assumed as a simple fact. “The poor,” “the weak,” “the laborers,” are expressions which are used as if they had exact and well-understood definition. Discussions are made to bear upon the assumed rights, wrongs, and misfortunes of certain social classes; and all public speaking and writing consists, in a large measure, of the discussion of general plans for meeting the wishes of classes of people who have not been able to satisfy their own desires. These classes are sometimes discontented, and sometimes not. Sometimes they do not know that anything is amiss with them until the “friends of humanity” come to them with offers of aid. Sometimes they are discontented and envious. They do not take their achievements as a fair measure of their rights. They do not blame themselves or their parents for their lot, as compared with that of other people. Sometimes they claim that they have a right to everything of which they feel the need for their happiness on earth. To make such a claim against God or Nature would, of course, be only to say that we claim a right to live on earth if we can. But God and Nature have ordained the chances and conditions of life on earth once for all. The case cannot be reopened. We cannot get a revision of the laws of human life. We are absolutely shut up to the need and duty, if we would learn how to live happily, of investigating the laws of Nature, and deducing the rules of right living in the world as it is. These are very wearisome and commonplace tasks. They consist in labor and self-denial repeated over and over again in learning and doing. When the people whose claims we are considering are told to apply themselves to these tasks they become irritated and feel almost insulted. They formulate their claims as rights against society—that is, against some other men. In their view they have a right, not only to pursue happiness, but to get it; and if they fail to get it, they think they have a claim to the aid of other men—that is, to the labor and self-denial of other men—to get it for them. They find orators and poets who tell them that they have grievances, so long as they have unsatisfied desires.
Now, if there are groups of people who have a claim to other people’s labor and self-denial, and if there are other people whose labor and self-denial are liable to be claimed by the first groups, then there certainly are “classes,” and classes of the oldest and most vicious type. For a man who can command another man’s labor and self-denial for the support of his own existence is a privileged person of the highest species conceivable on earth. Princes and paupers meet on this plane, and no other men are on it at all. On the other hand, a man whose labor and self-denial may be diverted from his maintenance to that of some other man is not a free man, and approaches more or less toward the position of a slave. Therefore we shall find that, in all the notions which we are to discuss, this elementary contradiction, that there are classes and that there are not classes, will produce repeated confusion and absurdity. We shall find that, in our efforts to eliminate the old vices of class government, we are impeded and defeated by new products of the worst class theory. We shall find that all the schemes for producing equality and obliterating the organization of society produce a new differentiation based on the worst possible distinction—the right to claim and the duty to give one man’s effort for another man’s satisfaction. We shall find that every effort to realize equality necessitates a sacrifice of liberty.

thats all i can post… since i am trying to point to what would be a whole library of forgotten literature and views…

and if you didnt read them, you would not understand how things have moved, and how far things have changed to reaquire the kind of rule that neitzche spoke about… there are only two kinds of people, the rulers and the ruled. free markets gave us another option, it still said there were two kinds of people, but they were inside all of us, not expressed outside.

that we are all rulers of ourselves, and so are slaves to our own wills.

extend this outside ourselves, and we wish others to take over the responsiblity for the outcomes of decisions we would make, and become slaves to their wills, pretending that theirs are the same as ours (when this is decidedly not so).

i would love to put up a document and then challenge the leftist liberals here like mitso to refute it…

for informational purposes that quote is from

What Social Classes Owe to Each Other by William Grahm Sumner 1883

excerpted from the first chapter:
On a new philosophy, that poverty is the best policy

if anyone takes the time to read the whole thing they will walk away with an understanding that they would nto have any other way no matter how much spewing i do here…

i would like to know how mitsu would refute the argumetns here..

and if mitsu would notice how clear, well written, thought out and such compared to todays crap…

i hope you all enjoy.