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		<title>By: davidt</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/02/27/good-question/#comment-102510</link>
		<dc:creator>davidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the post linked to... &quot;Bridey said... 
But I would say Obama is not a father figure at all. Rather, he&#039;s something that has vastly more appeal in this stuck-in-adolescence society. He&#039;s not America&#039;s daddy, he&#039;s America&#039;s boyfriend.

Obama anticipates desires, offers the sweetest, most longed-for promises, and vows to make every cherished fantasy come true. What you hear in the voices and see in the faces of his admirers is not the admiration and respect due to Daddy, but the heat and passion of a lover. In America today, this is much, much better. 

A dictator by instinct and inclination? Could be. But not Daddy. Oh, no.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the post linked to&#8230; &#8220;Bridey said&#8230;<br />
But I would say Obama is not a father figure at all. Rather, he&#8217;s something that has vastly more appeal in this stuck-in-adolescence society. He&#8217;s not America&#8217;s daddy, he&#8217;s America&#8217;s boyfriend.</p>
<p>Obama anticipates desires, offers the sweetest, most longed-for promises, and vows to make every cherished fantasy come true. What you hear in the voices and see in the faces of his admirers is not the admiration and respect due to Daddy, but the heat and passion of a lover. In America today, this is much, much better. </p>
<p>A dictator by instinct and inclination? Could be. But not Daddy. Oh, no.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Cappy</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/02/27/good-question/#comment-102505</link>
		<dc:creator>Cappy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree.  Knowing his followers as neo must similarly intimately know (family members, old friends) these are the true believers that make it possible.  And thankfully, most of them aren&#039;t armed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree.  Knowing his followers as neo must similarly intimately know (family members, old friends) these are the true believers that make it possible.  And thankfully, most of them aren&#8217;t armed.</p>
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		<title>By: turfmann</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/02/27/good-question/#comment-102499</link>
		<dc:creator>turfmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://neoneocon.com/2009/02/10/is-this-what-cloward-piven-looks-like/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;My answer to the question&lt;/a&gt;, written by someone we all know and love.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://neoneocon.com/2009/02/10/is-this-what-cloward-piven-looks-like/" rel="nofollow">My answer to the question</a>, written by someone we all know and love.  <img src='http://neoneocon.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: TmjUtah</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/02/27/good-question/#comment-102492</link>
		<dc:creator>TmjUtah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 05:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the parlance of genteel political euphemism, he is the turd that wouldn&#039;t flush. An indicator of just how shallow the kiddie pool we call American Statesmanship really is.

Seriously now, folks; in a world where Paul Krugman is taken seriously as an economist,  Barney Frank speaks from anywhere that is not a jail cell, to have an Obama as president is no great leap. 

This situation will not persist.  We lived on Big Government as long as McMansions and American Idol were the big attention grabbers in the daily life of the average American.

The lack of food, shelter, and individual liberty are about to become deeply personal experiences for everyone who refuses to kneel to the new order.  Unfortunately for Barack and his peers, there&#039;s not an iota of a chance they can rape the rich and screw the kulaks this time around.  We&#039;re not in for a rough patch or for inconvenience - we&#039;re at a cusp.

Bring it.  You can&#039;t fix a problem nobody will name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the parlance of genteel political euphemism, he is the turd that wouldn&#8217;t flush. An indicator of just how shallow the kiddie pool we call American Statesmanship really is.</p>
<p>Seriously now, folks; in a world where Paul Krugman is taken seriously as an economist,  Barney Frank speaks from anywhere that is not a jail cell, to have an Obama as president is no great leap. </p>
<p>This situation will not persist.  We lived on Big Government as long as McMansions and American Idol were the big attention grabbers in the daily life of the average American.</p>
<p>The lack of food, shelter, and individual liberty are about to become deeply personal experiences for everyone who refuses to kneel to the new order.  Unfortunately for Barack and his peers, there&#8217;s not an iota of a chance they can rape the rich and screw the kulaks this time around.  We&#8217;re not in for a rough patch or for inconvenience &#8211; we&#8217;re at a cusp.</p>
<p>Bring it.  You can&#8217;t fix a problem nobody will name.</p>
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		<title>By: Oblio</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/02/27/good-question/#comment-102484</link>
		<dc:creator>Oblio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 02:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think he is all that unusual in what he says or how he says it.  

What is unusual is his immunity to criticism because of the COMBINATION of 1) social anxieties of the urban intelligentsia related to criticizing African Americans in public and 2) New Class solidarity with one of their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think he is all that unusual in what he says or how he says it.  </p>
<p>What is unusual is his immunity to criticism because of the COMBINATION of 1) social anxieties of the urban intelligentsia related to criticizing African Americans in public and 2) New Class solidarity with one of their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Holmes</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/02/27/good-question/#comment-102478</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no question- we are absolutely screwed.  Has a political class ever been so divorced from reality?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no question- we are absolutely screwed.  Has a political class ever been so divorced from reality?</p>
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		<title>By: renminbi</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/02/27/good-question/#comment-102477</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was younger I used to think that when politicians said stupid things it was because they thought that was what the public wanted.
      I do not think so now. They are as genuinely stupid as the people who elect them and the MSM who fawn over them. When I hear that  Clinton or Obama are intelligent ,why? Show  ONE thing either of them has ever said that is worth remembering, for its sensibility. Just one thing. A lot of people are impressed because they hear other foolish people (the MSM) cheer him on.
             No one can say they weren&#039;t warned.It is all in his unread-able memoir.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was younger I used to think that when politicians said stupid things it was because they thought that was what the public wanted.<br />
      I do not think so now. They are as genuinely stupid as the people who elect them and the MSM who fawn over them. When I hear that  Clinton or Obama are intelligent ,why? Show  ONE thing either of them has ever said that is worth remembering, for its sensibility. Just one thing. A lot of people are impressed because they hear other foolish people (the MSM) cheer him on.<br />
             No one can say they weren&#8217;t warned.It is all in his unread-able memoir.</p>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/02/27/good-question/#comment-102476</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whoever trained obama growing up, trained him in wrong principals, wrong outcomes.. 

think about the people in this circle and what they have actually done?   why not have a child, raise it with the doctrines non principals... guide him, give him huge self esteem... a blessed life with the illusion of ability... 

you end up creating a person who seriously and honestly beleives whatever was poured in his head. 

now take him, put him up like a post turtle... that same guiding thing... and he is a puppet that can implement everything they want since he has a lifetime training in being receptive to it. 


it sounds science fiction, but is it? is it really such to make the perfect groomed person?  a living political bomb in which could only work if he never stayed in a place long enough to find out the truth. hop scotch up, and place the bomb and let it all happen as eveyrone digs into the confused country. 

the country is being dismantled and its being done so fast that by the time people START saying woah, its already done... 

&lt;i&gt;On February 11, Bloomberg Business News reported that China was seeking &quot;guarantees&quot; for its US Government debt (Story Here), and it now appears they got it. Well placed senior sources at the US Embassy in Beijing CONFIRM the formal written agreement was delivered by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton during her recent trip to China.
This means that in the event the US Government defaults on its financial obligations to China, the Communist Government of China would be permitted to physically take — inside the USA — land, buildings, factories, perhaps even entire cities — to satisfy the financial obligations of the US government.
&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;b&gt;In early February nine U.S. States began the process of re-asserting their Sovereignty pursuant to the Ninth and Tenth Amendments to the US Constitution; declaring null and void any actions by Congress that violated the Constitution.
&lt;/b&gt;


remember when the immigrants marched coordinated on communist workers day all over the country?  that was a show of force, control, and coordination.   

things are happening right in front of you, but in a meritocritous society, you reflexivley put a positive spin on it and go on your way.. 

we havent noticed that the guys arguing slippery slopes and implications of things against the left are more often right than wrong (even if it took the AMAs prediction in the early part of the last century to come true now. they said that medicare and medicaide would lead to socialist/communist medicine and htey didnt support it). 

in russia, most of the work against the good middle class that had to be done for them to switch it all around, was done by the thug class..   the class we have been building for 40 years. when the crap hits the fan, they do the work naturally... you saw them in katrina, watts, and other places... they are the ones that turn a city into a war zone triad... 

but who wants to talk principals of operation and methods to move things a certain way... they are too busy arguing as if the points they are lying about are valid...  

everyone is so concrete, an chess and politial games are abstraction games and a game like chess where you maneuver things all over so they converge. 

your watching years of maneuvering coming to convergence.  list out the biggest things and its like a wish list an anemy would have if they wanted to cause trouble. 

men alienated to the point were many of the young hope for an invasion just to change sides. 

men have nothing to fight for. no sexy women, no familes (compared to before), a court system that also alienates them and is unfair to them, so they will be sour if it comes time to save the place

promoting effeminite men, the kind that dont really fight, and give up easy, and like appeasement.  (notice i didnt say gay). 

dumbing down the population.. breaking their reasoning ability.. make them hate their own protection. 

disarm the public... remove the missile threat, open up the borders for entry of agents who coordinate riots and operate (like in wwii and after). 

remove the productive capacity, so there is no way to ramp up and get that individualist drive going to protect itself. 

fracture the population so that no one likes each group and each group will sell each other group to the same buyers (meaning everyone sells everyone out believing they are to be rewarded). 

the list goes on and on.. 

but who puts them ALL together and thinks about why so many pieces have been arranged in which things arent good... (and out of this picture is all the things the other states that would think of doing something are doing)

meanwhile we sit around the campfire still trying to figure out which one of the two choices they are giving us is better than the other...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whoever trained obama growing up, trained him in wrong principals, wrong outcomes.. </p>
<p>think about the people in this circle and what they have actually done?   why not have a child, raise it with the doctrines non principals&#8230; guide him, give him huge self esteem&#8230; a blessed life with the illusion of ability&#8230; </p>
<p>you end up creating a person who seriously and honestly beleives whatever was poured in his head. </p>
<p>now take him, put him up like a post turtle&#8230; that same guiding thing&#8230; and he is a puppet that can implement everything they want since he has a lifetime training in being receptive to it. </p>
<p>it sounds science fiction, but is it? is it really such to make the perfect groomed person?  a living political bomb in which could only work if he never stayed in a place long enough to find out the truth. hop scotch up, and place the bomb and let it all happen as eveyrone digs into the confused country. </p>
<p>the country is being dismantled and its being done so fast that by the time people START saying woah, its already done&#8230; </p>
<p><i>On February 11, Bloomberg Business News reported that China was seeking &#8220;guarantees&#8221; for its US Government debt (Story Here), and it now appears they got it. Well placed senior sources at the US Embassy in Beijing CONFIRM the formal written agreement was delivered by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton during her recent trip to China.<br />
This means that in the event the US Government defaults on its financial obligations to China, the Communist Government of China would be permitted to physically take — inside the USA — land, buildings, factories, perhaps even entire cities — to satisfy the financial obligations of the US government.<br />
</i></p>
<p><b>In early February nine U.S. States began the process of re-asserting their Sovereignty pursuant to the Ninth and Tenth Amendments to the US Constitution; declaring null and void any actions by Congress that violated the Constitution.<br />
</b></p>
<p>remember when the immigrants marched coordinated on communist workers day all over the country?  that was a show of force, control, and coordination.   </p>
<p>things are happening right in front of you, but in a meritocritous society, you reflexivley put a positive spin on it and go on your way.. </p>
<p>we havent noticed that the guys arguing slippery slopes and implications of things against the left are more often right than wrong (even if it took the AMAs prediction in the early part of the last century to come true now. they said that medicare and medicaide would lead to socialist/communist medicine and htey didnt support it). </p>
<p>in russia, most of the work against the good middle class that had to be done for them to switch it all around, was done by the thug class..   the class we have been building for 40 years. when the crap hits the fan, they do the work naturally&#8230; you saw them in katrina, watts, and other places&#8230; they are the ones that turn a city into a war zone triad&#8230; </p>
<p>but who wants to talk principals of operation and methods to move things a certain way&#8230; they are too busy arguing as if the points they are lying about are valid&#8230;  </p>
<p>everyone is so concrete, an chess and politial games are abstraction games and a game like chess where you maneuver things all over so they converge. </p>
<p>your watching years of maneuvering coming to convergence.  list out the biggest things and its like a wish list an anemy would have if they wanted to cause trouble. </p>
<p>men alienated to the point were many of the young hope for an invasion just to change sides. </p>
<p>men have nothing to fight for. no sexy women, no familes (compared to before), a court system that also alienates them and is unfair to them, so they will be sour if it comes time to save the place</p>
<p>promoting effeminite men, the kind that dont really fight, and give up easy, and like appeasement.  (notice i didnt say gay). </p>
<p>dumbing down the population.. breaking their reasoning ability.. make them hate their own protection. </p>
<p>disarm the public&#8230; remove the missile threat, open up the borders for entry of agents who coordinate riots and operate (like in wwii and after). </p>
<p>remove the productive capacity, so there is no way to ramp up and get that individualist drive going to protect itself. </p>
<p>fracture the population so that no one likes each group and each group will sell each other group to the same buyers (meaning everyone sells everyone out believing they are to be rewarded). </p>
<p>the list goes on and on.. </p>
<p>but who puts them ALL together and thinks about why so many pieces have been arranged in which things arent good&#8230; (and out of this picture is all the things the other states that would think of doing something are doing)</p>
<p>meanwhile we sit around the campfire still trying to figure out which one of the two choices they are giving us is better than the other&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: br549</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/02/27/good-question/#comment-102475</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>American middle schools and high schools need to teach home economics (the real thing) and critical thinking. I mean, not that I am capable of critical thinking. I&#039;m not, because I&#039;m too emotional. But at least I know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>American middle schools and high schools need to teach home economics (the real thing) and critical thinking. I mean, not that I am capable of critical thinking. I&#8217;m not, because I&#8217;m too emotional. But at least I know it.</p>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/02/27/good-question/#comment-102472</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>finally something with a relatively short answer (for me). 

Are Barack Obama&#039;s exaggerations and outright falsehoods the typical stock in trade misstatements of politicians, intentional lies, unintentional errors, or something novel to our political experience?

they are not typical stock trade mistatements, in fact, stock trade mistatements are not that either. 

for if one compares prior history with current hsitory, we have been acclimatized to think that such misstatements lies and things are normal. to quote stalin, everything now is normalized. 

in other words, in the 1800s lies got you out of office, corruption got you out of office, moral terpitude, and graft, and using the public money all woudl get you out of office.

after the 60s crowd, and the constant drone of politicians are all liars, we normalized that they were and accepted that they were. talk about subtle mind games...  just as constant harping that a theif running a corporation is a natural part of capitalism, like a man making a withdrawel from a bank is just another customer.



all this is VERY novel to the american experience, who by throwing out the bad, only needed to consider each sides meritocritous answers. 

but after this, we did not change our tactics in skepticism in the right direction for a state that was no longer predicated on merit. we are using flintlocks, they have switched to chambered rounds. our tactics havent changed, theirs have, and every dip stick who is young, believes the side that lies, as if there are no lies. 

in other words, in a world in which the argumetns are presumed to be valid, and not lies or for consumption, one picks he optiosn they like best. in a world in which there are lies, one realizes that too sweet is not a better choice. 

a lifetime in training in dual thinking gets them to do this. get them to accept a false reality mentally in the face of a real reality and its contradictions to the false one, and you get them to think dually, and live in a kind of delusional state.  they then protect this by finding like minds, and like people in a isolation tank, they create a reality for their brains to work on (using whats fed them). 

we talk about it all the time but dont realize it because we are always defaulting to a merit argument not a REAL argument...   a merit argument refuses to table the validity of the arguments before choosing. consensus, and processes like dialoging to consensus which is a process in which one embeds the change agents desires in others and gets them to think they did it so its more acceptable. 

there is more... but this is the major gist of it... 

i could describe more, but all it would amount to is getting into process of how to turn the meritocritous state into a feudal state in which the people using the process become the defacto new leaders displacing merit.  remember producers work on merit, parasites work on cargo cult and have no merit so must displace as they cant compete (which is why competition is bad, parasites are incomplete and will fail in a fair competition, so they have to get the others to quit before it starts, or funnel things through beuracracies so that they can touch it and lay claims). 

sigh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>finally something with a relatively short answer (for me). </p>
<p>Are Barack Obama&#8217;s exaggerations and outright falsehoods the typical stock in trade misstatements of politicians, intentional lies, unintentional errors, or something novel to our political experience?</p>
<p>they are not typical stock trade mistatements, in fact, stock trade mistatements are not that either. </p>
<p>for if one compares prior history with current hsitory, we have been acclimatized to think that such misstatements lies and things are normal. to quote stalin, everything now is normalized. </p>
<p>in other words, in the 1800s lies got you out of office, corruption got you out of office, moral terpitude, and graft, and using the public money all woudl get you out of office.</p>
<p>after the 60s crowd, and the constant drone of politicians are all liars, we normalized that they were and accepted that they were. talk about subtle mind games&#8230;  just as constant harping that a theif running a corporation is a natural part of capitalism, like a man making a withdrawel from a bank is just another customer.</p>
<p>all this is VERY novel to the american experience, who by throwing out the bad, only needed to consider each sides meritocritous answers. </p>
<p>but after this, we did not change our tactics in skepticism in the right direction for a state that was no longer predicated on merit. we are using flintlocks, they have switched to chambered rounds. our tactics havent changed, theirs have, and every dip stick who is young, believes the side that lies, as if there are no lies. </p>
<p>in other words, in a world in which the argumetns are presumed to be valid, and not lies or for consumption, one picks he optiosn they like best. in a world in which there are lies, one realizes that too sweet is not a better choice. </p>
<p>a lifetime in training in dual thinking gets them to do this. get them to accept a false reality mentally in the face of a real reality and its contradictions to the false one, and you get them to think dually, and live in a kind of delusional state.  they then protect this by finding like minds, and like people in a isolation tank, they create a reality for their brains to work on (using whats fed them). </p>
<p>we talk about it all the time but dont realize it because we are always defaulting to a merit argument not a REAL argument&#8230;   a merit argument refuses to table the validity of the arguments before choosing. consensus, and processes like dialoging to consensus which is a process in which one embeds the change agents desires in others and gets them to think they did it so its more acceptable. </p>
<p>there is more&#8230; but this is the major gist of it&#8230; </p>
<p>i could describe more, but all it would amount to is getting into process of how to turn the meritocritous state into a feudal state in which the people using the process become the defacto new leaders displacing merit.  remember producers work on merit, parasites work on cargo cult and have no merit so must displace as they cant compete (which is why competition is bad, parasites are incomplete and will fail in a fair competition, so they have to get the others to quit before it starts, or funnel things through beuracracies so that they can touch it and lay claims). </p>
<p>sigh</p>
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