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	<title>Comments on: Obama: &#8220;Don&#8217;t say I didn&#8217;t warn you!&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Crisis + Danger = Obama’s Opportunity &#171; Dirty Democrats</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/03/02/obama-dont-say-i-didnt-warn-you/#comment-103884</link>
		<dc:creator>Crisis + Danger = Obama’s Opportunity &#171; Dirty Democrats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] says ‘Don’t say I didn’t warn you’: Now read what Sullivan has to say two days later, on February 27. After an intro that lauds [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Occam's Beard</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/03/02/obama-dont-say-i-didnt-warn-you/#comment-102891</link>
		<dc:creator>Occam's Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 02:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel, I&#039;m pleased by that too. No extraordinary legal or straight-up extralegal means of changing government need apply, thank you very much. We&#039;ll wait for the next election.

Liberals please note, for the next time you don&#039;t get everything your way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel, I&#8217;m pleased by that too. No extraordinary legal or straight-up extralegal means of changing government need apply, thank you very much. We&#8217;ll wait for the next election.</p>
<p>Liberals please note, for the next time you don&#8217;t get everything your way.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel in Brookline</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/03/02/obama-dont-say-i-didnt-warn-you/#comment-102837</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel in Brookline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and one more thing --

I&#039;m encouraged by the fact that, in 70-odd comments, no one has even raised the subject of &quot;impeachment&quot;.  I&#039;m glad.  I don&#039;t want to run the man out of office, unless someday we can actually prove, God forbid, that he&#039;s willfully selling out America to foreign interests.

Fighting it out with lawyers, in my opinion, is a second-to-last resort (with open violence and revolution being the last resort).  Nor would it solve the problem; all it would accomplish is to demonize the man, leaving us ripe for another smooth-talker to come along and take his place.

(Besides,  from what I hear, the vast majority of lawyers are Obama supporters...)

Our Republic is tough, and gives us the freedom to do a great many things.  Let&#039;s not lose hope yet.

respectfully,
Daniel in Brookline</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and one more thing &#8211;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m encouraged by the fact that, in 70-odd comments, no one has even raised the subject of &#8220;impeachment&#8221;.  I&#8217;m glad.  I don&#8217;t want to run the man out of office, unless someday we can actually prove, God forbid, that he&#8217;s willfully selling out America to foreign interests.</p>
<p>Fighting it out with lawyers, in my opinion, is a second-to-last resort (with open violence and revolution being the last resort).  Nor would it solve the problem; all it would accomplish is to demonize the man, leaving us ripe for another smooth-talker to come along and take his place.</p>
<p>(Besides,  from what I hear, the vast majority of lawyers are Obama supporters&#8230;)</p>
<p>Our Republic is tough, and gives us the freedom to do a great many things.  Let&#8217;s not lose hope yet.</p>
<p>respectfully,<br />
Daniel in Brookline</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel in Brookline</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/03/02/obama-dont-say-i-didnt-warn-you/#comment-102836</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel in Brookline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m hearing a lot of doom and gloom here, and I don&#039;t want to say it&#039;s misplaced; we are indeed in for some rough times.

But it feels to me as though people are taking the trend of the past month, extending it indefinitely into the future in a straight line, and frightening themselves when they see where it leads.

History doesn&#039;t go in a straight line; certainly American history doesn&#039;t.  With rare exceptions, we have our cycles and our pendulum-swings.  Liberalism rules for a while, until the people have had enough change and just want to relax for a while, at which point conservatism makes a comeback.

(That&#039;s with respect to domestic policies, of course.  For international diplomacy it&#039;s more complex than that; for issues of defense it&#039;s considerably simpler.  An American government that cannot keep Americans safe will not last long.)

President Obama cannot roll back the tides with his charisma, and his legions will not follow him everywhere.  So in the long run, there are limits to what he can do.

I imagine one of several possibilities:

a) President Obama seriously overreaches, learns a lesson of sorts, and tries to govern more from the center.  (I&#039;m not counting on this.)

b) President Obama seriously overreaches, is stopped, does not learn his lesson, and effectively becomes a lame-duck President in 2010.

c) President Obama pushes through his agenda fast enough and hard enough that it can&#039;t be stopped, resulting in a real sea-change.  This is the sort of gloomy scenario some of us here are talking about; I don&#039;t think it will work that way, given the number of &lt;i&gt;Democrats&lt;/i&gt; that are starting to express serious doubts about the man they voted for.

Just for the record, there&#039;s also this:

d) President Obama has his eyes opened (akin to the way GWB did on 9/11), grows to fill the challenges of the office he holds in these difficult times, and surprises us all by being a reasonably good President (for a Democrat...).  This, of course, would be wonderful, and I pray it wouldn&#039;t take another 9/11 to bring it about.

Personally, based on past track records, I think (b) is the most likely.  I&#039;ll keep my fingers crossed for (d).

respectfully,
Daniel in Brookline</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m hearing a lot of doom and gloom here, and I don&#8217;t want to say it&#8217;s misplaced; we are indeed in for some rough times.</p>
<p>But it feels to me as though people are taking the trend of the past month, extending it indefinitely into the future in a straight line, and frightening themselves when they see where it leads.</p>
<p>History doesn&#8217;t go in a straight line; certainly American history doesn&#8217;t.  With rare exceptions, we have our cycles and our pendulum-swings.  Liberalism rules for a while, until the people have had enough change and just want to relax for a while, at which point conservatism makes a comeback.</p>
<p>(That&#8217;s with respect to domestic policies, of course.  For international diplomacy it&#8217;s more complex than that; for issues of defense it&#8217;s considerably simpler.  An American government that cannot keep Americans safe will not last long.)</p>
<p>President Obama cannot roll back the tides with his charisma, and his legions will not follow him everywhere.  So in the long run, there are limits to what he can do.</p>
<p>I imagine one of several possibilities:</p>
<p>a) President Obama seriously overreaches, learns a lesson of sorts, and tries to govern more from the center.  (I&#8217;m not counting on this.)</p>
<p>b) President Obama seriously overreaches, is stopped, does not learn his lesson, and effectively becomes a lame-duck President in 2010.</p>
<p>c) President Obama pushes through his agenda fast enough and hard enough that it can&#8217;t be stopped, resulting in a real sea-change.  This is the sort of gloomy scenario some of us here are talking about; I don&#8217;t think it will work that way, given the number of <i>Democrats</i> that are starting to express serious doubts about the man they voted for.</p>
<p>Just for the record, there&#8217;s also this:</p>
<p>d) President Obama has his eyes opened (akin to the way GWB did on 9/11), grows to fill the challenges of the office he holds in these difficult times, and surprises us all by being a reasonably good President (for a Democrat&#8230;).  This, of course, would be wonderful, and I pray it wouldn&#8217;t take another 9/11 to bring it about.</p>
<p>Personally, based on past track records, I think (b) is the most likely.  I&#8217;ll keep my fingers crossed for (d).</p>
<p>respectfully,<br />
Daniel in Brookline</p>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/03/02/obama-dont-say-i-didnt-warn-you/#comment-102749</link>
		<dc:creator>Artfldgr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as i said, its almost a done deal, and this article lays out how much a done deal it is. 

remember, the CPUSA removed their candidate years ago because, as they said, you cant distinguiesh the CPUSA from the democratic party. 

this read should scare people. 

[and lee, note the notes to those who like to dash things off as tin hat]

CPUSA&#039;s National Chair, Sam Webb, was quoted in the People&#039;s Weekly World:

&lt;b&gt;&quot;The ‘biggest challenge&#039; now, he told the meeting, is to ‘resist efforts by reaction and some on the left&#039; to advocate a break in the coalition that elected Obama and is now led by him. ‘We will have our differences but they have to be handled so as not to break the overall unity,&#039; he said.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

[see american thinker, the url is being blocked with the odd softwaer filters]

the revolution has happened... 

the talk of preventing it is like people around the dinner table talking about keeping the horses in the barn, and have yet to check the barn with its doors open. 

NOW, we are moving into the area i said would happen where the people with him will make terro for all, and in response, a clamp down. 

during this time, those that sided and changed minds are the ones who become key victims... they are the ones who, as converts, become the force of the counter-revolutni, and must be crushed and killed in order for them to finalize and cement the silent coupe that they have already done. 

talking this way is akin to talking about hitler and how its not going to be good AFTER he was elected. 

the game is changed...  

it changed the day he was elected....

NOT now, when we cant do anything for four years except acept all the restructuring they will do and the misery and starvation they will cause. 

NOTHING. since they are all ready for the couter revolution...   even if the people that would make up such, dont even know that its started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as i said, its almost a done deal, and this article lays out how much a done deal it is. </p>
<p>remember, the CPUSA removed their candidate years ago because, as they said, you cant distinguiesh the CPUSA from the democratic party. </p>
<p>this read should scare people. </p>
<p>[and lee, note the notes to those who like to dash things off as tin hat]</p>
<p>CPUSA&#8217;s National Chair, Sam Webb, was quoted in the People&#8217;s Weekly World:</p>
<p><b>&#8220;The ‘biggest challenge&#8217; now, he told the meeting, is to ‘resist efforts by reaction and some on the left&#8217; to advocate a break in the coalition that elected Obama and is now led by him. ‘We will have our differences but they have to be handled so as not to break the overall unity,&#8217; he said.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>[see american thinker, the url is being blocked with the odd softwaer filters]</p>
<p>the revolution has happened&#8230; </p>
<p>the talk of preventing it is like people around the dinner table talking about keeping the horses in the barn, and have yet to check the barn with its doors open. </p>
<p>NOW, we are moving into the area i said would happen where the people with him will make terro for all, and in response, a clamp down. </p>
<p>during this time, those that sided and changed minds are the ones who become key victims&#8230; they are the ones who, as converts, become the force of the counter-revolutni, and must be crushed and killed in order for them to finalize and cement the silent coupe that they have already done. </p>
<p>talking this way is akin to talking about hitler and how its not going to be good AFTER he was elected. </p>
<p>the game is changed&#8230;  </p>
<p>it changed the day he was elected&#8230;.</p>
<p>NOT now, when we cant do anything for four years except acept all the restructuring they will do and the misery and starvation they will cause. </p>
<p>NOTHING. since they are all ready for the couter revolution&#8230;   even if the people that would make up such, dont even know that its started.</p>
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		<title>By: Hong</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/03/02/obama-dont-say-i-didnt-warn-you/#comment-102747</link>
		<dc:creator>Hong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the Dems have annointed Rush as the head of the RNC maybe we should look out for Rush Derangement Syndrome-actually note what&#039;s already out there. lol

I think the first bellweather to look for is the House seat of Gillebrand in NY. If we regain that seat by a wide margin (10+ points) than it might portend a brighter Republican future. If it&#039;s a close election than we&#039;ll be wandering the desert for awhile longer than 2012 I say.

As for Obama not seeking another term: of course he will. No Lefty or Democrat is satisfied with half of what they can take. If things go wrong, they&#039;ll just blame the &#039;obstructionist&#039; Republicans. It&#039;ll fool enough people (ie &#039;centrists&#039;). A liberal I know likes to call himself a &#039;moderate&#039; but we know what they are even when they don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the Dems have annointed Rush as the head of the RNC maybe we should look out for Rush Derangement Syndrome-actually note what&#8217;s already out there. lol</p>
<p>I think the first bellweather to look for is the House seat of Gillebrand in NY. If we regain that seat by a wide margin (10+ points) than it might portend a brighter Republican future. If it&#8217;s a close election than we&#8217;ll be wandering the desert for awhile longer than 2012 I say.</p>
<p>As for Obama not seeking another term: of course he will. No Lefty or Democrat is satisfied with half of what they can take. If things go wrong, they&#8217;ll just blame the &#8216;obstructionist&#8217; Republicans. It&#8217;ll fool enough people (ie &#8216;centrists&#8217;). A liberal I know likes to call himself a &#8216;moderate&#8217; but we know what they are even when they don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: The Catholic Libertarian</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/03/02/obama-dont-say-i-didnt-warn-you/#comment-102742</link>
		<dc:creator>The Catholic Libertarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am convinced that many of the intellectual conservatives who decided to vote for Obama (wuch as Christopher Buckley) did so inspite of Obama&#039;s stated plans.  They were all out there.

So why did they support him?  Class solidarity.  The bobo class (to use David Brooks term) is now  in the driver&#039;s seat.  Obama was from that class.  Clutured, well spoken, great schools, well traveled.  

The voted for one of their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am convinced that many of the intellectual conservatives who decided to vote for Obama (wuch as Christopher Buckley) did so inspite of Obama&#8217;s stated plans.  They were all out there.</p>
<p>So why did they support him?  Class solidarity.  The bobo class (to use David Brooks term) is now  in the driver&#8217;s seat.  Obama was from that class.  Clutured, well spoken, great schools, well traveled.  </p>
<p>The voted for one of their own.</p>
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		<title>By: soupcon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/03/02/obama-dont-say-i-didnt-warn-you/#comment-102740</link>
		<dc:creator>soupcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canadians have seen this before.Bob Rae was elected as premier of Ontario in 1990 and proceeded over the next 5 years to cripple the engine of Canada.He was at war with his own hard left base of unions,merrily tripled the budget deficit in 3 years, and almost drove Ontario Hydro to the point of insolvency and saddled it with the most debt of any agency anywhere in the G-7.

Ontario only recovered it&#039;s lustre once the Tories were elected on a tax cutting platform and led by a genial conservative named Mike Harris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canadians have seen this before.Bob Rae was elected as premier of Ontario in 1990 and proceeded over the next 5 years to cripple the engine of Canada.He was at war with his own hard left base of unions,merrily tripled the budget deficit in 3 years, and almost drove Ontario Hydro to the point of insolvency and saddled it with the most debt of any agency anywhere in the G-7.</p>
<p>Ontario only recovered it&#8217;s lustre once the Tories were elected on a tax cutting platform and led by a genial conservative named Mike Harris.</p>
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		<title>By: NJCon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/03/02/obama-dont-say-i-didnt-warn-you/#comment-102738</link>
		<dc:creator>NJCon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Visiting from the Anchoress! I enjoyed your post very much. Living in NJ I am surrounded by Democrats (not sure what to call these people anymore...liberals, socialists, communists, leftists, definitely not progressive) and this past election was pure torture for me. I was consistently laughed at in attempting to warn my family and friends about Obama&#039;s true radical nature. I have friends who are now angry with me because I was right. However, now that people are beginning to actually listen it&#039;s not the economy we need to be worried about folks. While we are all worried about the economy Obama is quietly causing a schism within the American R. Catholic Church and to dismiss this because you are not Catholic is foolish. These are only two areas that I am personally keeping an eye on which makes me wonder what other pillars of our society is he quietly working to destroy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Visiting from the Anchoress! I enjoyed your post very much. Living in NJ I am surrounded by Democrats (not sure what to call these people anymore&#8230;liberals, socialists, communists, leftists, definitely not progressive) and this past election was pure torture for me. I was consistently laughed at in attempting to warn my family and friends about Obama&#8217;s true radical nature. I have friends who are now angry with me because I was right. However, now that people are beginning to actually listen it&#8217;s not the economy we need to be worried about folks. While we are all worried about the economy Obama is quietly causing a schism within the American R. Catholic Church and to dismiss this because you are not Catholic is foolish. These are only two areas that I am personally keeping an eye on which makes me wonder what other pillars of our society is he quietly working to destroy.</p>
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		<title>By: R.C.</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/03/02/obama-dont-say-i-didnt-warn-you/#comment-102737</link>
		<dc:creator>R.C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, granted: We&#039;re humped.

No surprise, there.

Democrats have, generally speaking, been incorrect in their signature policy prescriptions on (so far as I&#039;m aware) every matter of every kind, for the last forty years. (The GOP, for all their problems, have generally either been correct, or more often, less incorrect.)

So, no surprise that putting them simultaneously in charge of the Executive Branch, and both houses of the Legislature, would seriously damage the country, reducing it to something like, well, France.

No surprise that, in fifty years, Americans will be like the French: ineffectually walking the earth, sounding arrogant and grumbling and effete, because that is the usual reaction of a once-great power which is no longer great but still wants to believe it is: Strutting about like a forty-nine year old former glamour model still trying to dine out on her face.

The first nuclear detonation in an American city is now perhaps ten years distant, give or take. And, then, because in our time of crisis we responded to too much debt with a healthy dose of socialism -- like a drunk curing his hangover with heroin -- we will neither succeed in deterring it, nor be able to adequately weather the storm economically as we did 9/11, nor have the cultural confidence and unity to respond to the event in a way that keeps the jackals at bay. The organized crooks and psychopaths of the world will have an free rein, because the cop on the beat is on psych leave, and who knows if he&#039;ll ever return to the job?

What can we do?

Well, were it possible to forcibly lobotomize the more extreme half of all the leftists in the U.S., especially the academics, the result would would be a pull-back from the brink. They&#039;d no longer be able to vote, of course, and without political support, Obama &amp; Pelosi would be less capable of doing damage, and soon removed from office. And that segment of the population would be largely no less productive than they were before.

But, you see, libertarians and conservatives won&#039;t bring themselves to do that, or anything else similar. They&#039;re too responsible, too aware of the consequences of actually doing radical or violent things, too middle-class.

So the answer is: We can&#039;t do anything. (More precisely, we won&#039;t do anything; that is, we&#039;re unwilling to undergo the short-term civil war which in the long run might prevent or lessen our downfall.)

What we&#039;ll do, in fact, is watch it happen and remember how it used to be. I don&#039;t know how much fun a slow-motion train wreck really is, especially when it&#039;s happening to you and some folks you care about. But maybe it&#039;ll be marginally entertaining, for those who can adopt the right mindset.

We&#039;re certainly going to find out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, granted: We&#8217;re humped.</p>
<p>No surprise, there.</p>
<p>Democrats have, generally speaking, been incorrect in their signature policy prescriptions on (so far as I&#8217;m aware) every matter of every kind, for the last forty years. (The GOP, for all their problems, have generally either been correct, or more often, less incorrect.)</p>
<p>So, no surprise that putting them simultaneously in charge of the Executive Branch, and both houses of the Legislature, would seriously damage the country, reducing it to something like, well, France.</p>
<p>No surprise that, in fifty years, Americans will be like the French: ineffectually walking the earth, sounding arrogant and grumbling and effete, because that is the usual reaction of a once-great power which is no longer great but still wants to believe it is: Strutting about like a forty-nine year old former glamour model still trying to dine out on her face.</p>
<p>The first nuclear detonation in an American city is now perhaps ten years distant, give or take. And, then, because in our time of crisis we responded to too much debt with a healthy dose of socialism &#8212; like a drunk curing his hangover with heroin &#8212; we will neither succeed in deterring it, nor be able to adequately weather the storm economically as we did 9/11, nor have the cultural confidence and unity to respond to the event in a way that keeps the jackals at bay. The organized crooks and psychopaths of the world will have an free rein, because the cop on the beat is on psych leave, and who knows if he&#8217;ll ever return to the job?</p>
<p>What can we do?</p>
<p>Well, were it possible to forcibly lobotomize the more extreme half of all the leftists in the U.S., especially the academics, the result would would be a pull-back from the brink. They&#8217;d no longer be able to vote, of course, and without political support, Obama &amp; Pelosi would be less capable of doing damage, and soon removed from office. And that segment of the population would be largely no less productive than they were before.</p>
<p>But, you see, libertarians and conservatives won&#8217;t bring themselves to do that, or anything else similar. They&#8217;re too responsible, too aware of the consequences of actually doing radical or violent things, too middle-class.</p>
<p>So the answer is: We can&#8217;t do anything. (More precisely, we won&#8217;t do anything; that is, we&#8217;re unwilling to undergo the short-term civil war which in the long run might prevent or lessen our downfall.)</p>
<p>What we&#8217;ll do, in fact, is watch it happen and remember how it used to be. I don&#8217;t know how much fun a slow-motion train wreck really is, especially when it&#8217;s happening to you and some folks you care about. But maybe it&#8217;ll be marginally entertaining, for those who can adopt the right mindset.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re certainly going to find out.</p>
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