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It’s amazing what you can find in the footnotes.

My impression of rcareaga’s posts is that he is rather off topic. Instead of falling in with the real theme, he’s functioning as I suspect was his intention all along: attack neo’s site by impugning her accuracy and credibility. The message seems to be: you’ve got us socialists all wrong and our founding figures all wrong. Stop misquoting us. It’s a hit and run tactic, which over on the other side he can brag about and they can have a good yuk about it. I’ve seen shit like this before in the weblog world.

If anything good comes of it, let me just laud neoneocon, because this signifies that the other side has taken note of her blog and they deem her worthy of their efforts to distract, deflect, and run interference of.

I am going to give neo the benefit of the doubt in the matter of those quotes. I have seen them before and they seem mostly accurate to me. Another reason why I give her the benefit of the doubt and not the other side… well, having been on the other side over 22 years ago I have witnessed first hand how they are given to deception and fudging.

Nevertheless, for the sake of the argument, I am provisionally willing to accept them. If some of them turn out to be duds, it doesn’t affect the thrust of Neo’s essay which is about how current events reflect timeless concerns. For the sake of the argument, Lenin is a literary character who stands for the historical, political manifestation of Dostoevsky’s Grand Inquisitor.

Given what we know of the real Lenin–an unsentimental, humorless, ruthless, intellectual utterly lacking in humanity who qualifies as one of the great villains in history–the lines don’t seem out of character.

It is sad that we will probably never know the complete truth about what Lenin and the Bolsheviks really did say and do: his Communist followers and defenders have covered history in a mountain of lies. They also stimulated counter-lies. The real history of Russia and International Communism from 1917 to, say, 1953 will remain patchy and open to misinterpretation, intentional and otherwise, for the foreseeable future.

You may dispute the quotes, Neo’s argument, or anything else you like, but you should remember that simply disputing a claim is not the same as refuting it. I wish the NYT could remember this.

nothing looks that long when i am typing…

actually several..

the one your thinking about is one of the groups promoting edenic utopia of the aquarian age (which technically was the age of the reich was trying to make… the fact that their peace sign is a inverted german one, adn that the story as to its creation is as compelling as a politically active communist writng the truth about embarrassing quotes).

the song is “turn turn turn” by the Byrds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNopQq5lWqQ
one of the intellectual groups posing as something else to the common man… but if you know references and uch, yuo can pick out a lot of stuff.

part of doing this was to replace religoun as a source of wisdom with pop culture as the source of wisdom… so those who heard the song, as adorno said, would find it both familiar and new, the requirement to manufacture a hit… in the early days of primitivizaion to induce propagandic effects, they had a problem. the music eeveyone knew was either bible or classical… (folk tunes too).

so how do make it familiar, yet replace the sources or wisdom… and that had to do with exploiting the folk, and bible stuff… and they even inserted lines from great works…

another group that did a lot of this, and one member drove himself mad with the truth… was pink floyd… who took a darker view of solomons tale… more in line with solomon…

they were kings at rewriting the wisdom of the prior culture, and embedding it. dark side of the moon was the top album of all time… being on the charts for more than 20 years… (it tells the same story as rocky horror and shock treatment)

All that you touch and all that you see
all that you taste, all you feel
and all that you love and all that you hate
all you distrust, all you save
and all that you give and all that you deal
and all that you buy, beg, borrow or steal
and all you create and all you destroy
and all that you do and all that you say
and all that you eat and everyone you meet
and all that you slight and everyone you fight
and all that is now and all that is gone
and all that’s to come and everything under the sun is in tune
but the sun is eclipsed by the moon

a more selfish version of solomon…

they told us a lot in the music… a kind of devils deal artists through the ages have always made.. (see el greco)… that they embedded inthe work the messages they wanted, hidden in the messages their patrons wanted… (patron being who selects them for fame, not who listens to them).

TIME being one of their best pieces… it has embedded in it thoreau…

Every year is getting shorter
Never seem to find the time
Plans that either come to nought
Or half a page of scribbled lines
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way
The time is gone
The song is over
Thought I’d something more to say

the quote its from is:
The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation.

the last line though is the most poignient and relevent to today.. and its a lesson from CS Lewis!

CS lewis wrote teh screwtape letters, and one thing you get out of them, is that to miss the things you are to do in life, one only has to be distracted at the right time, put off, etc. that the devil does not tempt with gold he does not have or cant give, he temps with the PROMISES of such…

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you are only half right..

they do hate us…

but if history is a guide, what they love is they love to hate…

that is, even if they get to wipe out the thing they hate, they are not satisfied in that. it is their nature to hate, and witout somethign to hate, they then choose another something, cause when you love hate, you want hate, and you want to hurt sadistically (and perhaps getting a sexual kick out of it), then you have to find a way to make it acceptable so that you can live “happy”

one thing i have never had the time to discuss or bring up is the menageries. that the left is a heirarchical structure in which everyone ‘thinks’ they are on top, because eveyrone leads everyone else to believe that.

to people looking at this, these differences amount to a negation… when they are just the structure of an alternative system they are trying to understand from their system. (projection of the qualities of another system creates a false sense of mind, and so leads to not understanding and being effective agasint or in concert with others)

the top of the hierarchy is the real socialists.. they are the ones that SEEM to hate… they dont hate… they are emotionally cold, and power is their game. they dont stand in the open… they lead from the shadows and put up another to be the target of their policies (and they remove them when things go bad. if they can – sometimes they cant since the appearance of power in someone cant be distinguished from the real power. so a person put up can turn aroudn and act like a dictator, and will be till stopped as the real power has to be in the stooges hands for the stooge to use it).

there is a thug glass to this. they are KEY… they are the police acting like animals torturing with tasers, etc.. they did this by changing the psych profile goals.. and controlling what tests are given, and so control what kind they let through under a premise.

you have your social army… these are peopl who make grand pronouncments as to improving society. but unlie a doctor under hippa and other things, they do not have a review board and such to insure that the people they experment on have given permission with FULL KNOWLEGE of the things being done to them. in effect, under the guise of social policy and improvments, they are expermenting on humans and destroying their lives, just to find out things… like how to manipulate them better and contrl them better using neurolinguistics, and other psych forms rather than overt forms. (these things being antithetical to our religous past and our ideas of self determination. if they are tweaking things, and changing the inputs, there is no such thing as self determinatino, unless its self determination DESPITE tehm)

there are the useful idiots… and others… they are frothed up to hate… but they cant think straight..

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MANY of these quotes are not quotes from literature, but quotes from real life!!!

so the person who is discrediting them may be playing a game based on what YOUR default concepts are, and relying on your lack of history to know where or when they were said.

and so they nail the coffin with things like. “search all their work and you will never find it”.. but how about speeches, meeting minutes, newspaper records by those who attended the dinner where the conversations were heard…

you will not find anywhere in lenins writings about his quote and comment as to free love when the matron of such said that “sex should be as free as water”, to which he replied “who wants to drink from a dirty glass?”

another caution on books which seek to set the record straight. read about lattimore and mccarthy… yes, that mccarthy (to whom a lot of false stuff is attributed!!!). well, lattimore was kind of pegged, and was in a huff. he wrote a book in which HE coined the term McCarthyism… and that it was a witch hunt, etc… except that in a witch hunt, we know there are no real witches, can we say the same of spies and subversives? so the analogy is false, and later, after venona was decoded, and mitrokhins work was passed along, turned out that Lattimore WAS a spy, McCarthy was RIGHT, and the book is what we all remember as truth.

wouldnt it be really convenient for the left to rewrite history and remove and erase the most embarrasing and revealing quotes.

after all “in the old days” a book would fall out of print, and only those tin hatters that went through the used book racks would get a copy.

but once you catch them at it, you catch them at it ALL the time, as the morals of not changing history, or the morals of lying in print (or in person), or the morals of not manipulating people for personal goals, is not present.

Margret Sanger is a darling of the left for the social good of planned parenthood… but if you read or know history, then you will know how much they scrubbed her clean with pumice. all relying on the fact that her AUTOBIOGRAPHY was no longer in print… but the internet raises dead ghosts of truth and they have more staying power, for truth need no energy expended to maintain it.

read about her… and you will read she is a feminist hero… you will read how she wanted to help the poor, and women, and so on… but read deeper and they will sometimes bring up the false history to discount it (from being from the antiabortion movement)…

but do MORE research, and you find out that planned parenthood had a prior name… its earliest name was “the negro project”, and its purpose was to exterminate the black man by visiting cultural and financial misery on him and use his sense of responsibility to have him exterminate his own children.

here are her words:
“The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.” — Margaret Sanger, letter to Clarence Gamble, Dec. 10,1939. – Sanger manuscripts, Sophia Smith Collection, Smith College. (Dec. 10 is the correct date of the letter. There is a different date circulated, e.g. Oct. 19, 1939; but Dec. 10 is the correct date of Ms Sanger’s letter to Mr. Gamble.)

ever notice that black politics is dominated by the ministers? do the wealthy/elite abort in numbers similar to the ‘dysgenic races”? (as they put it). why are there four times the numbers of clinics in minority neighborhoods? why are you allowed to donate money to be used for a specific race? (which amounts to donating money to make it easier for a person of that race to off their legacy and posterity. a group went and called planed parenthood and made sure that this was not a split hair, by tellin ghtem that they were white and they wanted fewer blacks to compete against their children and would it be ok to donate money to abort a black child… they said sure!)

i would forget trying to find the best quotes ni their work if they are not fiction writers like heinlien… in which they invent situations, then dialogue, and sometimes make up or steal cleverness… but lenin would have no way to have those comments IN his work… if you read his work, you would easily see why…

it would be like ben bernanke dotting a state report with such phrases littering the document having another purpose.