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	<title>Comments on: Is Obama appeasing the mullahs of Iran?</title>
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		<title>By: FredHjr</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/03/20/is-obama-appeasing-the-mullahs-of-iran/#comment-104504</link>
		<dc:creator>FredHjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee has it exactly, succinctly.  It&#039;s really the core of the issue, which neither Dhimmi Carter nor Obonga Booga seem to grasp.

And what do Dhimmi Carter and Obonga Booga have in common?  Former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, that&#039;s what they have in common.  Obonga Booga took courses from Brzezinski at Columbia, and now that man is an adviser along with with Samantha Power.

But these idiots haven&#039;t figured out what Khamenei meant.  They don&#039;t know what&#039;s expected of us.  They sure aren&#039;t going to convert or pay the jizya.  They don&#039;t even know what jizya is, for starters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee has it exactly, succinctly.  It&#8217;s really the core of the issue, which neither Dhimmi Carter nor Obonga Booga seem to grasp.</p>
<p>And what do Dhimmi Carter and Obonga Booga have in common?  Former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, that&#8217;s what they have in common.  Obonga Booga took courses from Brzezinski at Columbia, and now that man is an adviser along with with Samantha Power.</p>
<p>But these idiots haven&#8217;t figured out what Khamenei meant.  They don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s expected of us.  They sure aren&#8217;t going to convert or pay the jizya.  They don&#8217;t even know what jizya is, for starters.</p>
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		<title>By: njcommuter</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/03/20/is-obama-appeasing-the-mullahs-of-iran/#comment-104503</link>
		<dc:creator>njcommuter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem isn&#039;t, and never has been, talking TO Iran.
But LISTENING to Iran is a problem.
Talking WITH Iran is a problem.
Stopping all the other things you should be doing TO Iran while you talk TO Iran is a problem.

We should talk TO Iran.  Our message should be very simple, very plain, and crystal clear:  &quot;You have chosen to make us an enemy.  Now we take you seriously.  Now  you find out what that means.&quot;  And we should match--and overmatch--our words with deeds.

We cannot say with absolute certainty that nothing will deter Iran.  We can say with moral certainty that no censure, no ordinary sanction, will do so.  We can say with good certainty that if they see that a course of action will fail them, they will not try it, but look for another course.  Our actions thus far have relied on this last good certainty.  But it is deterring single courses of action, not lasting attempts.  We have not yet accepted the moral certainty that Iran will not modify its goals nor temper them means she is willing to employ when she finds things they will work.  And we cannot rely on finding some one thing that will actually deter her.

This means that we must relentlessly act to restrain, contain, cripple, and reduce her, and ultimately to bring about the collapse of her government.  Any other policy is lunacy.  It is prudent to avoid outraging either international sympathy or our own consciences WHEN WE CAN AVOID DOING SO.  But our own destruction is too high a price.

Phillip Bobbit is right when he states that the wars of the coming consitutional order will be &lt;i&gt;preclusive&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;.  (In a clever and accurate mnemonic, he declares that the wars of the previous orders have been, in order, perquisitive, acquisitive, requisitive, exclusive, and inclusive.  Read &lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;Terror and Consent&lt;/i&gt;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem isn&#8217;t, and never has been, talking TO Iran.<br />
But LISTENING to Iran is a problem.<br />
Talking WITH Iran is a problem.<br />
Stopping all the other things you should be doing TO Iran while you talk TO Iran is a problem.</p>
<p>We should talk TO Iran.  Our message should be very simple, very plain, and crystal clear:  &#8220;You have chosen to make us an enemy.  Now we take you seriously.  Now  you find out what that means.&#8221;  And we should match&#8211;and overmatch&#8211;our words with deeds.</p>
<p>We cannot say with absolute certainty that nothing will deter Iran.  We can say with moral certainty that no censure, no ordinary sanction, will do so.  We can say with good certainty that if they see that a course of action will fail them, they will not try it, but look for another course.  Our actions thus far have relied on this last good certainty.  But it is deterring single courses of action, not lasting attempts.  We have not yet accepted the moral certainty that Iran will not modify its goals nor temper them means she is willing to employ when she finds things they will work.  And we cannot rely on finding some one thing that will actually deter her.</p>
<p>This means that we must relentlessly act to restrain, contain, cripple, and reduce her, and ultimately to bring about the collapse of her government.  Any other policy is lunacy.  It is prudent to avoid outraging either international sympathy or our own consciences WHEN WE CAN AVOID DOING SO.  But our own destruction is too high a price.</p>
<p>Phillip Bobbit is right when he states that the wars of the coming consitutional order will be <i>preclusive</i><i>.  (In a clever and accurate mnemonic, he declares that the wars of the previous orders have been, in order, perquisitive, acquisitive, requisitive, exclusive, and inclusive.  Read </i><i>Terror and Consent</i>.)</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/03/20/is-obama-appeasing-the-mullahs-of-iran/#comment-104502</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Khamenei said &quot;should you change, we shall change also&quot;.
The &quot;change&quot; he looks for is conversion to Islam or tribute.  

Tabari: &quot;Peace to whoever follows the right guidance! To proceed; Submit yourself, and you shall be safe.&#039;&quot;

There has never been peace with Islam.  Only submission, or death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Khamenei said &#8220;should you change, we shall change also&#8221;.<br />
The &#8220;change&#8221; he looks for is conversion to Islam or tribute.  </p>
<p>Tabari: &#8220;Peace to whoever follows the right guidance! To proceed; Submit yourself, and you shall be safe.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>There has never been peace with Islam.  Only submission, or death.</p>
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		<title>By: FredHjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>FredHjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you treat with a regime that has:

1.  Seized U.S. soil (our embassy), which is an act of war.

2.  Taken U.S. citizens hostage and held them for 444 days, subjecting some of them to interrogation of a frightening kind.

3.  Sponsored groups and individuals in Beruit who killed hundreds of our servicemen.

4.  Captured, tortured, and killed our CIA, embassy, and military men in Lebanon.

5.  Sponsored the bombing of our military barracks inside of Saudi Arabia.

6.  Sponsored and directed other acts of terrorism against U.S. interests and individuals around the world.

7.  Trained and armed groups and also sent in Al Qods Revolutionary Guards to Iraq to kill our servicemen there.

8.  Acts of intimidation, murder, and war against our allies and friends all around the world.

You give them the mailed fist, not blow them kisses and inducements of &quot;respect.&quot;

I realize that at times I am a blunt person, but only so because reality dictates it.  What has the U.S. State Department and the diplomatic elites achieved with respect to this odious regime?

Obonga&#039;s overtures to the Mullahs can only be described as odious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you treat with a regime that has:</p>
<p>1.  Seized U.S. soil (our embassy), which is an act of war.</p>
<p>2.  Taken U.S. citizens hostage and held them for 444 days, subjecting some of them to interrogation of a frightening kind.</p>
<p>3.  Sponsored groups and individuals in Beruit who killed hundreds of our servicemen.</p>
<p>4.  Captured, tortured, and killed our CIA, embassy, and military men in Lebanon.</p>
<p>5.  Sponsored the bombing of our military barracks inside of Saudi Arabia.</p>
<p>6.  Sponsored and directed other acts of terrorism against U.S. interests and individuals around the world.</p>
<p>7.  Trained and armed groups and also sent in Al Qods Revolutionary Guards to Iraq to kill our servicemen there.</p>
<p>8.  Acts of intimidation, murder, and war against our allies and friends all around the world.</p>
<p>You give them the mailed fist, not blow them kisses and inducements of &#8220;respect.&#8221;</p>
<p>I realize that at times I am a blunt person, but only so because reality dictates it.  What has the U.S. State Department and the diplomatic elites achieved with respect to this odious regime?</p>
<p>Obonga&#8217;s overtures to the Mullahs can only be described as odious.</p>
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		<title>By: physicsguy</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/03/20/is-obama-appeasing-the-mullahs-of-iran/#comment-104490</link>
		<dc:creator>physicsguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 12:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fox this a.m. has an article up that the Ayatollah ain&#039;t buying what BHO is selling.  Do ya think that Obama will realize that these people really hate us?  Nah..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fox this a.m. has an article up that the Ayatollah ain&#8217;t buying what BHO is selling.  Do ya think that Obama will realize that these people really hate us?  Nah..</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
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		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 11:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Germany, Obama is getting praise from both Merkel and her political rival, Foreign Minister Steinmeier.  No one here will risk votes from the kumbaya populace in an election year, and every politician must support any steps to avoid tougher sanctions that would hurt German exports. Furthermore, Merkel plans to talk to Obama at the G20 about saving Opel. Expect no criticism of The One from this neck of the woods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Germany, Obama is getting praise from both Merkel and her political rival, Foreign Minister Steinmeier.  No one here will risk votes from the kumbaya populace in an election year, and every politician must support any steps to avoid tougher sanctions that would hurt German exports. Furthermore, Merkel plans to talk to Obama at the G20 about saving Opel. Expect no criticism of The One from this neck of the woods.</p>
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		<title>By: br549</title>
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		<dc:creator>br549</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 11:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. Don&#039;t forget about the 900 million Obama is sending to Palestine to rebuild Gaza.

Gotta fill the bomb craters in the roads to make it easier to bring in the next batch of rockets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. Don&#8217;t forget about the 900 million Obama is sending to Palestine to rebuild Gaza.</p>
<p>Gotta fill the bomb craters in the roads to make it easier to bring in the next batch of rockets.</p>
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		<title>By: Perfected democrat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perfected democrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 10:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They&#039;re ripe for it....&quot;

True, camojack, but the strategic advantage accomplished by the successful Iraq expedition is now being forfeited in favor of capitulation, and similar to the Vichy French, crass complicity with the enemy and it&#039;s surrogates (Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Assad regime).  Too bad, it should be quite obvious now, except to those in pathetic emotional denial, that Obama himself is, and always was, from his early childhood thru his now, also obvious, lingering teleprompter dependent adolescence, simply a moslem communist who has, post election, stopped posing as a Christian Democrat, and is now openly embracing America&#039;s enemies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They&#8217;re ripe for it&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>True, camojack, but the strategic advantage accomplished by the successful Iraq expedition is now being forfeited in favor of capitulation, and similar to the Vichy French, crass complicity with the enemy and it&#8217;s surrogates (Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Assad regime).  Too bad, it should be quite obvious now, except to those in pathetic emotional denial, that Obama himself is, and always was, from his early childhood thru his now, also obvious, lingering teleprompter dependent adolescence, simply a moslem communist who has, post election, stopped posing as a Christian Democrat, and is now openly embracing America&#8217;s enemies.</p>
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		<title>By: camojack</title>
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		<dc:creator>camojack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 08:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should foment revolution over there. 

They&#039;re ripe for it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should foment revolution over there. </p>
<p>They&#8217;re ripe for it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Aubrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Aubrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 02:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the verb &quot;appease&quot; presumes or includes in the definition that it works.
O may be trying, but it won&#039;t work. Therefore, he is not &quot;appeasing&quot;, he is &quot;trying to appease&quot;.
But attempting appeasement generally fails because it tells the other party you can be rolled.
So they keep rolling you.
Then you have a world war or something.
All works out in the end, minus ten or twenty million people. Or fifty million or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the verb &#8220;appease&#8221; presumes or includes in the definition that it works.<br />
O may be trying, but it won&#8217;t work. Therefore, he is not &#8220;appeasing&#8221;, he is &#8220;trying to appease&#8221;.<br />
But attempting appeasement generally fails because it tells the other party you can be rolled.<br />
So they keep rolling you.<br />
Then you have a world war or something.<br />
All works out in the end, minus ten or twenty million people. Or fifty million or something.</p>
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