Comments on: Signs of the tea party times—and of the demise of the press http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/16/signs-of-the-tea-party-times-and-of-the-demise-of-the-press/ Thu, 24 May 2012 14:06:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Fausta’s Blog » Blog Archive » Paris, tea parties, and tires: Friends’ posts roundup http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/16/signs-of-the-tea-party-times-and-of-the-demise-of-the-press/#comment-109506 Fausta’s Blog » Blog Archive » Paris, tea parties, and tires: Friends’ posts roundup Fri, 15 May 2009 21:25:09 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/16/signs-of-the-tea-party-times-and-of-the-demise-of-the-press/#comment-109506 [...] UPDATE Two more, Neo-neocon looks at signs of the times. [...] [...] UPDATE Two more, Neo-neocon looks at signs of the times. [...]

]]> By: amr http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/16/signs-of-the-tea-party-times-and-of-the-demise-of-the-press/#comment-107227 amr Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:51:19 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/16/signs-of-the-tea-party-times-and-of-the-demise-of-the-press/#comment-107227 I have attended 5 tea parties and will go to a 6th on 4/25. Since I am a multiple right wing extremist based on DHS criteria, what would one expect. If the tea parties fail, and so far it appears they have not influenced congress, then following MLK's lead, we should start picketing those politicians who have voted to spend us into ruination. If that doesn't work, sit-ins at their local offices will be required. I have attended 5 tea parties and will go to a 6th on 4/25. Since I am a multiple right wing extremist based on DHS criteria, what would one expect.

If the tea parties fail, and so far it appears they have not influenced congress, then following MLK’s lead, we should start picketing those politicians who have voted to spend us into ruination. If that doesn’t work, sit-ins at their local offices will be required.

]]> By: Ozymandias http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/16/signs-of-the-tea-party-times-and-of-the-demise-of-the-press/#comment-107171 Ozymandias Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:35:25 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/16/signs-of-the-tea-party-times-and-of-the-demise-of-the-press/#comment-107171 We need Ari Fleischer. He demonstrated a great example of what Oblio was talking about when during his interview with Chris Matthews, he called the host out on his rude manners and abrasive style of discourse. These people are intellectually dishonest, and they will do anything to cut us down. Get ready for the cheap shots and call them out on it. It's a major advantage for us as we know how they think and what they want. They on the other hand do not understand us at all, which is why they have to label us false terms like "reactionary" and "racist". It's a failure of the liberal imagination. We need Ari Fleischer. He demonstrated a great example of what Oblio was talking about when during his interview with Chris Matthews, he called the host out on his rude manners and abrasive style of discourse. These people are intellectually dishonest, and they will do anything to cut us down.

Get ready for the cheap shots and call them out on it. It’s a major advantage for us as we know how they think and what they want. They on the other hand do not understand us at all, which is why they have to label us false terms like “reactionary” and “racist”. It’s a failure of the liberal imagination.

]]> By: br549 http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/16/signs-of-the-tea-party-times-and-of-the-demise-of-the-press/#comment-107100 br549 Sat, 18 Apr 2009 15:09:24 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/16/signs-of-the-tea-party-times-and-of-the-demise-of-the-press/#comment-107100 As strcpy touched on: greed, laziness. I'd like to add jealousy and some weird need to bring others down (to their level - in my opinion), to "equalize", even if it means being counter productive in order to accomplish that end. I know people in the very office (company) I work in that if they put as much effort into producing something of benefit as they do in getting out of work, it would definitely change things for the better. What the hell, they have to be here anyway. As strcpy touched on: greed, laziness. I’d like to add jealousy and some weird need to bring others down (to their level – in my opinion), to “equalize”, even if it means being counter productive in order to accomplish that end.

I know people in the very office (company) I work in that if they put as much effort into producing something of benefit as they do in getting out of work, it would definitely change things for the better. What the hell, they have to be here anyway.

]]> By: Oblio http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/16/signs-of-the-tea-party-times-and-of-the-demise-of-the-press/#comment-107099 Oblio Sat, 18 Apr 2009 15:07:37 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/16/signs-of-the-tea-party-times-and-of-the-demise-of-the-press/#comment-107099 "Barbey" s/b "Barney" above “Barbey” s/b “Barney” above

]]> By: Oblio http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/16/signs-of-the-tea-party-times-and-of-the-demise-of-the-press/#comment-107098 Oblio Sat, 18 Apr 2009 15:06:26 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/16/signs-of-the-tea-party-times-and-of-the-demise-of-the-press/#comment-107098 We need to steal a page from Alinsky's playbook and be prepared to use it on people like Susan Roesgen. The poor harassed interviewee should not have requested leave to finish his statement; he should have called out her arrogance in interrupting him and hectoring him. CNN (and people who think like the people at CNN) believe that the right to label someone as "arrogant" is their right. Take back that right and watch them squirm. Same with Barney Frank, who is even now working floating ideas that could lead to more federalization of state and local debt (which is already represented in the $50 billion "stimulus" to Illinois by funding to allow local governments to avoid or reduce local spending cuts). Anyone who appears on TV with Barbey Frank should make his outrageous, bullying public style the issue, and mock the impotence of the TV talking heads who can't keep order. We need to steal a page from Alinsky’s playbook and be prepared to use it on people like Susan Roesgen. The poor harassed interviewee should not have requested leave to finish his statement; he should have called out her arrogance in interrupting him and hectoring him. CNN (and people who think like the people at CNN) believe that the right to label someone as “arrogant” is their right. Take back that right and watch them squirm.

Same with Barney Frank, who is even now working floating ideas that could lead to more federalization of state and local debt (which is already represented in the $50 billion “stimulus” to Illinois by funding to allow local governments to avoid or reduce local spending cuts). Anyone who appears on TV with Barbey Frank should make his outrageous, bullying public style the issue, and mock the impotence of the TV talking heads who can’t keep order.

]]> By: huxley http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/16/signs-of-the-tea-party-times-and-of-the-demise-of-the-press/#comment-107095 huxley Sat, 18 Apr 2009 14:29:26 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/16/signs-of-the-tea-party-times-and-of-the-demise-of-the-press/#comment-107095 Richard Epstein, a law professor who knew Obama at Univ. of Chicago, nails the problem with Obama's approach to the economy: <i>Obama worked as a community organizer and was in many cases very constructive... But, the difficulty you get, for someone who has only worked in that situation, is that <b>he believes the creation of private wealth is something the government cannot influence or destroy.</b> He has many fancy redistribution schemes, in addition to his health plan and new labor laws, which are all wealth killers. He is about to engage in a series of proposals to redistribute wealth that we do not have.... The fundamental mistake of his entire world view is that he treats contracts as devices for exploitation and not as devices for mutual gain, and <b>he assumes that redistribution can take place without any negative impact upon production</b>. If you live in that kind of a fairy land, which I think he does, every one of his major social and economic initiatives are going to misfire. <a href="http://easyopinions.blogspot.com/2009/04/richard-epstein-discusses-barack-obama.html" rel="nofollow">Richard Epstein Discusses Barack Obama</a></i> Richard Epstein, a law professor who knew Obama at Univ. of Chicago, nails the problem with Obama’s approach to the economy:

Obama worked as a community organizer and was in many cases very constructive… But, the difficulty you get, for someone who has only worked in that situation, is that he believes the creation of private wealth is something the government cannot influence or destroy. He has many fancy redistribution schemes, in addition to his health plan and new labor laws, which are all wealth killers.

He is about to engage in a series of proposals to redistribute wealth that we do not have….

The fundamental mistake of his entire world view is that he treats contracts as devices for exploitation and not as devices for mutual gain, and he assumes that redistribution can take place without any negative impact upon production.

If you live in that kind of a fairy land, which I think he does, every one of his major social and economic initiatives are going to misfire.

Richard Epstein Discusses Barack Obama

]]> By: br549 http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/16/signs-of-the-tea-party-times-and-of-the-demise-of-the-press/#comment-107083 br549 Sat, 18 Apr 2009 09:41:26 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/16/signs-of-the-tea-party-times-and-of-the-demise-of-the-press/#comment-107083 Although I can't understand for the life of me what has happened to Peggy Noonan over the past couple years, she did say something in her latest column I can identify with about boomers. "The first in the office in the morning, the last to leave at night." Where I am now, there are only a couple of us who still work like that. We are of boomer age. Those younger than us, even bright ones, don't seem to care. They come right on time or a couple minutes late, do the minimum and are gone a minute or two before quitting time. They leave a little early for lunch, and come back a little bit late. I can only imagine what a neighborhood would look like were its individual homes maintained at such a level. Engineering, sales, production - the quality of all three is on the wane. The proof is beginning to show up in the product. I can say this, our customer base is beginning to suffer for it. Our sales will follow suit. Our cutting edge is becoming a butter knife. It's not just taxes. It's work load. Let the next guy carry the load. What I mean by that is people are not willing to give what it takes to be better than the competition. To make the best product line possible at the level we have previously reached and maintained. People insist on being "paid what they're worth" without having to be worth what they're paid. Hell, they'd rather not work at all, and still get paid for it. That's obvious - and that is what is beginning to happen. Even socialism can't survive that. Although I can’t understand for the life of me what has happened to Peggy Noonan over the past couple years, she did say something in her latest column I can identify with about boomers. “The first in the office in the morning, the last to leave at night.”

Where I am now, there are only a couple of us who still work like that. We are of boomer age. Those younger than us, even bright ones, don’t seem to care. They come right on time or a couple minutes late, do the minimum and are gone a minute or two before quitting time. They leave a little early for lunch, and come back a little bit late. I can only imagine what a neighborhood would look like were its individual homes maintained at such a level.

Engineering, sales, production – the quality of all three is on the wane. The proof is beginning to show up in the product. I can say this, our customer base is beginning to suffer for it. Our sales will follow suit. Our cutting edge is becoming a butter knife.

It’s not just taxes. It’s work load. Let the next guy carry the load. What I mean by that is people are not willing to give what it takes to be better than the competition. To make the best product line possible at the level we have previously reached and maintained. People insist on being “paid what they’re worth” without having to be worth what they’re paid.
Hell, they’d rather not work at all, and still get paid for it. That’s obvious – and that is what is beginning to happen. Even socialism can’t survive that.

]]> By: strcpy http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/16/signs-of-the-tea-party-times-and-of-the-demise-of-the-press/#comment-107080 strcpy Sat, 18 Apr 2009 03:43:53 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/16/signs-of-the-tea-party-times-and-of-the-demise-of-the-press/#comment-107080 "br549, I doubt that most people are actually socialist, just profoundly stupid." You forget the other parts - greedy and lazy. What we are seeing isn't socialism. Socialism assumes people actually work and if you do not, well, you do not get anything. You also get according to your means/needs which means not everyone is "equal". The closest we saw to real socialism was Sweden and, as you say, it didn't even really work there either. What we see is generally called "theft" except that this time it is government enforced. Were I just being forced to purchase some good (say a military, a school, a fire department) I can see it, that is what taxes are *supposed* to be for. However I'm simply having my money removed from my paycheck and given to someone else that the government decided ought to have it more than they think I do. A large enough group of people realized that they can legally steal my wealth if they get laws passed to do so. Socialism or communism is leaps and bounds above that. At least in those systems you both have to work and you get *something* back (even if it is worth less than what you put in). We are loosing the battle partially because we have allowed theft to be equated with socialism ans social equality/justice. It *should* shame people to propose it, instead the language is such that many feel pride in it. “br549, I doubt that most people are actually socialist, just profoundly stupid.”

You forget the other parts – greedy and lazy. What we are seeing isn’t socialism. Socialism assumes people actually work and if you do not, well, you do not get anything. You also get according to your means/needs which means not everyone is “equal”. The closest we saw to real socialism was Sweden and, as you say, it didn’t even really work there either.

What we see is generally called “theft” except that this time it is government enforced. Were I just being forced to purchase some good (say a military, a school, a fire department) I can see it, that is what taxes are *supposed* to be for. However I’m simply having my money removed from my paycheck and given to someone else that the government decided ought to have it more than they think I do.

A large enough group of people realized that they can legally steal my wealth if they get laws passed to do so. Socialism or communism is leaps and bounds above that. At least in those systems you both have to work and you get *something* back (even if it is worth less than what you put in). We are loosing the battle partially because we have allowed theft to be equated with socialism ans social equality/justice. It *should* shame people to propose it, instead the language is such that many feel pride in it.

]]> By: Occam's Beard http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/16/signs-of-the-tea-party-times-and-of-the-demise-of-the-press/#comment-107077 Occam's Beard Fri, 17 Apr 2009 23:45:51 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/16/signs-of-the-tea-party-times-and-of-the-demise-of-the-press/#comment-107077 rickl, my man! I like baseball too, and in fact still play (I played in high school, college, and semi-pro in my long-gone youth). So here's the solution for ya: MLB.TV. $110 for the season, and you get high-def versions of 2400 (!) games on your computer, with a TiVo like capability, so you can watch 'em whenever you want. You can even watch four games at a time on split screen! (I find this too distracting, but some might like it.) The only downside is that you don't get home market games, but with an antenna you can get those - again in high-def - over the airwaves, for free. Adios, cable! rickl, my man!

I like baseball too, and in fact still play (I played in high school, college, and semi-pro in my long-gone youth).

So here’s the solution for ya: MLB.TV. $110 for the season, and you get high-def versions of 2400 (!) games on your computer, with a TiVo like capability, so you can watch ‘em whenever you want. You can even watch four games at a time on split screen! (I find this too distracting, but some might like it.) The only downside is that you don’t get home market games, but with an antenna you can get those – again in high-def – over the airwaves, for free.

Adios, cable!

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