http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/04/22/terrorism-and-moral-torture/

such chips are never perfect…

You misunderstand. I was juxtaposing what we actually did, which was nothing, with actual instances of actual torture.

Your sarcasm chip is malfunctioning, droid.

I am sardonic on the web as in life…..

I’ve served this nation whether it wanted it or not for 18 years….. Mostly, not.

“Hah ha.

If it weren’t for those pesky conventions”

Very true. One more reason for our enemies to fight by the rules themselves… which would include not targeting civilians… because otherwise, they might end up being interrogated and it’s not always pretty….

come again? how does that work..

so ballet in russia is not the same as ballet in america because one is a totalitarian state and the other is a democratic republic?

it too can be the same because the crucial point is the rule of law, and the rule of law is not arbitrary and based on whatever you want, thats rule by king, dictator, etc.

so if the dictator says make up a law to put them in jail for what they did yesterday that was legal, its not the same if obama does it?

what critical part is missing that makes it different and not the same?

In the past we recognized that as long as people in the world acted a certain way, then we had no choice but to do similarly but MINIMALLY. If you pay attention you will see that is the doctrine on ALL the things in which we have little real choice if we are to be effective, but we really think they are morally wrong.

We also recognized that we did not use such on innocents, something the socialists in history never did and still don’t. that is, the people that we make a judgment to are not random innocents off the streets, any more than if they caught a special forces guy he would be just a random drive by pickup no more likely than another.

Neither gray or logern gave any kind of reasoned or informed argument. Just high school level collectivist in crowd behavior. They know they are cool when others say yeah.

I’m sure if we had a kidnapping tomorrow somewhere in America and the hostage takers enact the EXACT same routine to their hostage (waterboard over a hundred times, etc.) over several weeks or months, and then the kidnappers are caught, a jury of the peers would just consider the victim had a little vacation time.

I am sure if the Taliban got a hold of the guys that waterboarded their guys they would do more to them than we would if we caught theirs!!!! And I am sure if we got some Taliban who tortured or killed our people, we might hold them, then set them free where they could try again. (shall I give names?)

Kidnappers tend to be harder on their victims than water boarding. Most are never held for ransom, and a whole lot die of being tortured to the extreme for several days. Then they are buried in a way that no one finds them so they are erased.

Want to see some pictures of what they did to our guys?
(warning graphic photo )
http://www.warinformation.com/Conference_Rooms/Dead_US_soldiers_in_Iraq_cell.jpg
I don’t read that site, I searched for a photo.

Want to see a recent picture of the water board victim?

Actually, why don’t we use a real scenario where US soldiers were captured by them

Jimenez, 25, and Fouty, 19, were kidnapped along with a third member of the 2nd Brigade of the 10th Mountain Division during an ambush in May 2007 in the volatile area south of Baghdad known as the “triangle of death.” The body of the third seized soldier, Pfc. Joseph Anzack Jr. of Torrance, Calif., was found in the Euphrates River a year later.

Here they were before their capture

Spc. Alex Jimenez, Pfc. Joseph Anzack and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty.
http://www.army.mil/-images/2008/07/15/19253/size1-army.mil-2008-07-16-111554.jpg
http://www.army.mil/-images/2008/07/15/19252/size2-army.mil-2008-07-16-111550.jpg
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/xml/news/2007/05/army_missing_soldiers_070515w/at_Anzack_500_070517.JPG

I cant show you photos of them now

In October 2008, Fouty’s parents revealed the autopsy results of their son and Jimenez. It was determined that they were tortured. Finger bones were found wrapped in a blanket, indicating their fingers may have been severed sometime before their deaths. Also, according to the autopsy report, Pvt. Fouty’s nose had been broken but had “well healed prior to death.” It is believed that their kidnappers cut their throats, which is believed to be the cause of their deaths. .

They don’t know what trauma they had, because they were so rotted that they could only analyze what damage made it to the bones.

And what did they get out of these soldiers? What moves did they find out? How much did pvt byron w fouty know about battle plans of the generals? How much of the upper plans was he privy to?

How much was Khalid Sheik Mohammad privy to? Where is his dead body rotted with fingers missing? Oh, he aint dead, and he is eating better than they are.

So now that I met your point, what was it? that they wouldn’t do this?
They do worse? That they would attack the people that did this to them? of course, but they would attack even if they didn’t do that to them. That our people killed, maimed and dumped? Cause they didn’t. that we did this to three out of how many captured, and they do that to pretty much everyone they get?

I don’t know… there were actually real incidents that fit your BS thing.

And as far as gray, his doesn’t even warrant such discussion.