Comments on: The CIA photos: Obama strikes another blow for transparency http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/25/the-cia-photos-obama-strikes-another-blow-for-transparency/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 03:59:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Oblio http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/25/the-cia-photos-obama-strikes-another-blow-for-transparency/#comment-108139 Oblio Fri, 01 May 2009 02:30:58 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/25/the-cia-photos-obama-strikes-another-blow-for-transparency/#comment-108139 Personally, I spend a lot of time on #4 and #5 and not enough on #3 from my list. I wish I wrote with Baklava's economy of style. Personally, I spend a lot of time on #4 and #5 and not enough on #3 from my list. I wish I wrote with Baklava’s economy of style.

]]> By: Baklava http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/25/the-cia-photos-obama-strikes-another-blow-for-transparency/#comment-108015 Baklava Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:21:50 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/25/the-cia-photos-obama-strikes-another-blow-for-transparency/#comment-108015 Oblio, Those steps would turn into: 1. First, think about what you want to say (thoughts would mean conversion from liberalism) :) 2. Write your clear and cogent argument (writing thoughts down would be writing something with common sense) 3. Post ! Oblio,

Those steps would turn into:
1. First, think about what you want to say (thoughts would mean conversion from liberalism) :)
2. Write your clear and cogent argument (writing thoughts down would be writing something with common sense)
3. Post !

]]> By: Oblio http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/25/the-cia-photos-obama-strikes-another-blow-for-transparency/#comment-107975 Oblio Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:01:49 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/25/the-cia-photos-obama-strikes-another-blow-for-transparency/#comment-107975 Logern, the editing function works perfectly. Follow these easy steps: 1. First, think about what you want to say 2. Write your clear and cogent argument 3. Check your spelling and grammar 4. Check your thinking 5. Fix the errors in 3. and 4. 6. Post Logern, the editing function works perfectly. Follow these easy steps:

1. First, think about what you want to say
2. Write your clear and cogent argument
3. Check your spelling and grammar
4. Check your thinking
5. Fix the errors in 3. and 4.
6. Post

]]> By: Baklava http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/25/the-cia-photos-obama-strikes-another-blow-for-transparency/#comment-107796 Baklava Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:06:41 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/25/the-cia-photos-obama-strikes-another-blow-for-transparency/#comment-107796 Neo, Off topic: They closed a middle school in my area because of the swine flu. http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/1812164.html Neo,

Off topic:

They closed a middle school in my area because of the swine flu.

http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/1812164.html

]]> By: goesh http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/25/the-cia-photos-obama-strikes-another-blow-for-transparency/#comment-107794 goesh Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:31:20 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/25/the-cia-photos-obama-strikes-another-blow-for-transparency/#comment-107794 There is no ticking bomb but there are high value operatives with real time operational knowledge who somehow end up in Egypt, Syria or Jordan for 'questioning'. There is no ticking bomb but there are high value operatives with real time operational knowledge who somehow end up in Egypt, Syria or Jordan for ‘questioning’.

]]> By: Adrian http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/25/the-cia-photos-obama-strikes-another-blow-for-transparency/#comment-107793 Adrian Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:29:27 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/25/the-cia-photos-obama-strikes-another-blow-for-transparency/#comment-107793 Transperancy is being forthcoming about your own actions and intentions, not someone elses. This is nothing but a shell game to keep our eyes wher he wants them. Transperancy is being forthcoming about your own actions and intentions, not someone elses. This is nothing but a shell game to keep our eyes wher he wants them.

]]> By: Oblio http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/25/the-cia-photos-obama-strikes-another-blow-for-transparency/#comment-107787 Oblio Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:09:16 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/25/the-cia-photos-obama-strikes-another-blow-for-transparency/#comment-107787 Logern, I am pleased that you have returned without the snarkiness you displayed on the other thread (e.g. you references to the Bataan Death March), but you don't seem to understand the argument Fernandez is making. Logern, I am pleased that you have returned without the snarkiness you displayed on the other thread (e.g. you references to the Bataan Death March), but you don’t seem to understand the argument Fernandez is making.

]]> By: Logern http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/25/the-cia-photos-obama-strikes-another-blow-for-transparency/#comment-107776 Logern Mon, 27 Apr 2009 03:37:24 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/25/the-cia-photos-obama-strikes-another-blow-for-transparency/#comment-107776 (The lack of a good editing function is certainly some minor torment around here) (The lack of a good editing function is certainly some minor torment around here)

]]> By: Logern http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/25/the-cia-photos-obama-strikes-another-blow-for-transparency/#comment-107775 Logern Mon, 27 Apr 2009 03:36:01 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/25/the-cia-photos-obama-strikes-another-blow-for-transparency/#comment-107775 Well, you think I'm bad huh, woo -- some of you guys are wout out there alright on the fringe (I happened to find the following quote in the wiki entry on Ticking time bomb} <i>For instance, it is asked whether torture would be limited to suspects, or whether one could torture the family and friends of a suspect to make him compliant. According to John Yoo (the former Department of Justice official who wrote memos justifying President Bush's policies on torture) this would be legally permissible, including crushing the testicles of the person’s child to obtain information.[6] If we imagine that officials might attempt to justify torture of people whose phone numbers happened to be in a suspect's mobile phone or agenda-book, in their desperation to find useful information, the range of possible victims of "ticking bomb" torture becomes much wider. </i> Well, you think I’m bad huh, woo — some of you guys are wout out there alright on the fringe

(I happened to find the following quote in the wiki entry on Ticking time bomb}

For instance, it is asked whether torture would be limited to suspects, or whether one could torture the family and friends of a suspect to make him compliant. According to John Yoo (the former Department of Justice official who wrote memos justifying President Bush’s policies on torture) this would be legally permissible, including crushing the testicles of the person’s child to obtain information.[6] If we imagine that officials might attempt to justify torture of people whose phone numbers happened to be in a suspect’s mobile phone or agenda-book, in their desperation to find useful information, the range of possible victims of “ticking bomb” torture becomes much wider.

]]> By: strcpy http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/25/the-cia-photos-obama-strikes-another-blow-for-transparency/#comment-107774 strcpy Mon, 27 Apr 2009 03:10:55 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/04/25/the-cia-photos-obama-strikes-another-blow-for-transparency/#comment-107774 Sadly, as I have said in other threads, since I have been actively watching politics (end of Reagan to start of Bush Sr) this has been the pattern. Democrats accuse Republicans of gross excesses in executive power, succeed in artificially driving approval of that president, then once in power actually *do* those abuses of power. No different now and it is what has us in the current situation where our federal govt has near to actual single digit approval rating with our military in the high 80's and 90's. Sadly our current crop of Republicans have mostly just given up and are making no real effort to fix things. They very much knew that Plame and some of other things Bush was accused of was not true, they very well knew that they would eventually get power, and they very well knew that by then they will have many (if not most) accepting of said actions. It isn't a plan per se, as much as just knowing how to take advantage of the situations. However at some point that cycle will fail, sadly I think it is soon. You will note that by many in the upper reaches realize this too - note the recent conservatives and ex-military are near terrorist memo. I do not think it can survive a few more presidential cycles, though all it will take is a strong "third" party to come along and blow them both out of the Water. I hope that happens before something else does. The drive for power at all costs (or if I feel like being charitable the thought that the Democrats are the best choice no matter the actions needed - I think some believe that) is going to kill us. Sadly, as I have said in other threads, since I have been actively watching politics (end of Reagan to start of Bush Sr) this has been the pattern.

Democrats accuse Republicans of gross excesses in executive power, succeed in artificially driving approval of that president, then once in power actually *do* those abuses of power. No different now and it is what has us in the current situation where our federal govt has near to actual single digit approval rating with our military in the high 80′s and 90′s. Sadly our current crop of Republicans have mostly just given up and are making no real effort to fix things.

They very much knew that Plame and some of other things Bush was accused of was not true, they very well knew that they would eventually get power, and they very well knew that by then they will have many (if not most) accepting of said actions. It isn’t a plan per se, as much as just knowing how to take advantage of the situations.

However at some point that cycle will fail, sadly I think it is soon. You will note that by many in the upper reaches realize this too – note the recent conservatives and ex-military are near terrorist memo.

I do not think it can survive a few more presidential cycles, though all it will take is a strong “third” party to come along and blow them both out of the Water. I hope that happens before something else does. The drive for power at all costs (or if I feel like being charitable the thought that the Democrats are the best choice no matter the actions needed – I think some believe that) is going to kill us.

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