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		<title>By: Sean the Maggot</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/05/21/obama-leans-to-the-left-leans-to-the-right-leans/#comment-110395</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean the Maggot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 09:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;geez, please don’t listen to dick cheney, he is an extremist and war crimal. obama knows what he’s doin&quot;

sitter

Well then, can you tell him to get on it, tout de suite.  I heard that his Tonton Macoutes, like yourself, can speak to him directly.

BTW, did he finally get all the positions that needs to be filled, you know, filled?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;geez, please don’t listen to dick cheney, he is an extremist and war crimal. obama knows what he’s doin&#8221;</p>
<p>sitter</p>
<p>Well then, can you tell him to get on it, tout de suite.  I heard that his Tonton Macoutes, like yourself, can speak to him directly.</p>
<p>BTW, did he finally get all the positions that needs to be filled, you know, filled?</p>
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		<title>By: Vieux Charles</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/05/21/obama-leans-to-the-left-leans-to-the-right-leans/#comment-110301</link>
		<dc:creator>Vieux Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 04:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After all that we&#039;ve seen an heard can we still not answer the question, is Obama an ideologue or an opportunist: as if his twenty year personal relationship with Reverend Wright wasn&#039;t snuffed out in an instant of political opportunism, as if the backlash from the release of the CIA memos didn&#039;t give him second thoughts about releasing the Afghan detainee photos.

I say he&#039;s an opportunist the like of which the oval office has never seen, and I say his outrage is indeed quite feigned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After all that we&#8217;ve seen an heard can we still not answer the question, is Obama an ideologue or an opportunist: as if his twenty year personal relationship with Reverend Wright wasn&#8217;t snuffed out in an instant of political opportunism, as if the backlash from the release of the CIA memos didn&#8217;t give him second thoughts about releasing the Afghan detainee photos.</p>
<p>I say he&#8217;s an opportunist the like of which the oval office has never seen, and I say his outrage is indeed quite feigned.</p>
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		<title>By: E</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/05/21/obama-leans-to-the-left-leans-to-the-right-leans/#comment-110245</link>
		<dc:creator>E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 15:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toothpick! Art, I love it. Snap!

But seriously folks....Obama has been walking a tightrope on balancing foreign policy decisions against his domestic social transformation plan. He can&#039;t be seen as irresponsible on national security issues (memo release aside) because he&#039;d lose the good will he needs to push through his social engineering agenda, which is what really floats his boat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toothpick! Art, I love it. Snap!</p>
<p>But seriously folks&#8230;.Obama has been walking a tightrope on balancing foreign policy decisions against his domestic social transformation plan. He can&#8217;t be seen as irresponsible on national security issues (memo release aside) because he&#8217;d lose the good will he needs to push through his social engineering agenda, which is what really floats his boat.</p>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/05/21/obama-leans-to-the-left-leans-to-the-right-leans/#comment-110180</link>
		<dc:creator>Artfldgr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 22:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dont come to a gun fight with a toothpick</description>
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		<title>By: Gringo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gringo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 20:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sitter: 

I will not listen to someone  who  makes an undocumented claim in a writing style that would not pass muster in a second grade classroom. 

A word to the wise is sufficient.</description>
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<p>I will not listen to someone  who  makes an undocumented claim in a writing style that would not pass muster in a second grade classroom. </p>
<p>A word to the wise is sufficient.</p>
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		<title>By: Occam's Beard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Occam's Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 19:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Behold the cognitive skills of the Obama base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Behold the cognitive skills of the Obama base.</p>
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		<title>By: Oblio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oblio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 19:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sitter, you need to provide more than that to get taken seriously around here.  Don&#039;t smear Cheney with labels like &quot;extremist&quot; or &quot;war criminal,&quot; unless you have some way to back it up.  And everyone here knows that you don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sitter, you need to provide more than that to get taken seriously around here.  Don&#8217;t smear Cheney with labels like &#8220;extremist&#8221; or &#8220;war criminal,&#8221; unless you have some way to back it up.  And everyone here knows that you don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: sitter</title>
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		<dc:creator>sitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 18:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>geez, please don&#039;t listen to dick cheney, he is an extremist and war crimal. obama knows what he&#039;s doin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>geez, please don&#8217;t listen to dick cheney, he is an extremist and war crimal. obama knows what he&#8217;s doin</p>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Artfldgr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 18:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>logern

why dont you ask the family of ted kazinsky how they felt doing what was right and leave inane thigns like that out of the game

i know the concept of creating cognitive dissonance to unfreeze a persons moral situtiaon by creating a moral delema.. 

usually its presented like... if you and your daughter were standing on a platform waiting for a train, and you had a choice of pushing your daughter in the path of the train and saving five other people, or saving her and letting them die what would you do?

talk about puerile parroting...

such dissonant situations can only be created in mind, and only serve to confuse us and create moral dissonance. that way, if we faluter you get to set the moral end byu choosing.  you can set it to either one... 

then after that, teh conversation moves to argying within that framework, as if no other is allowed. 

hows that logern? 

i can play your game better than you... 

i was taught the game as a child.. 
a childs game is what your playing
but with adult outcomes. 

you woudl be better taking your skilsl and your copy of havlocks change agent guide and becoming a grade school teacehr.   :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>logern</p>
<p>why dont you ask the family of ted kazinsky how they felt doing what was right and leave inane thigns like that out of the game</p>
<p>i know the concept of creating cognitive dissonance to unfreeze a persons moral situtiaon by creating a moral delema.. </p>
<p>usually its presented like&#8230; if you and your daughter were standing on a platform waiting for a train, and you had a choice of pushing your daughter in the path of the train and saving five other people, or saving her and letting them die what would you do?</p>
<p>talk about puerile parroting&#8230;</p>
<p>such dissonant situations can only be created in mind, and only serve to confuse us and create moral dissonance. that way, if we faluter you get to set the moral end byu choosing.  you can set it to either one&#8230; </p>
<p>then after that, teh conversation moves to argying within that framework, as if no other is allowed. </p>
<p>hows that logern? </p>
<p>i can play your game better than you&#8230; </p>
<p>i was taught the game as a child..<br />
a childs game is what your playing<br />
but with adult outcomes. </p>
<p>you woudl be better taking your skilsl and your copy of havlocks change agent guide and becoming a grade school teacehr.   <img src='http://neoneocon.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Artfldgr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 18:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; Does anyone have any theories as to why so much energy and political capital are being expended on the whole detention, rendition, interrogation, and intel gathering issue at this time? It seems that a lot of effort is being expended to go after President Bush and his policies MONTHS AFTER HE LEFT OFFICE.&lt;/i&gt;

It’s easy… 

But in order to understand it you have to abandon all hope that he is something than he actually is. Otherwise you will confuse belief with reason, and deny reason for belief.

The communists NEVER argue straight, EVER. Everything as in chess is ulterior motives.  What they want is the material outcome, the thoughts, arguments and things are only a means to select the right tool to get an end. 

Everyone’s rationalization here is from themselves and this is a CRAPPY way to analyse other people. it created the vanity that if they don’t do what you do, then they are inane and crazy, despite being more effective than you would ever be able to in your life!!! 

Can you see how to effectively maneuver from your childhood or some realization all the way to taking control of a few hundred million people and then have then kill and exterminate themselves for you and for your goals and get it all done in a few years? 

Nuts… right?    well that’s because we think that you have to be nuts to do horrible things. nothing could be further from the truth. I hope neo would bear me out, but the mentally deficient are not any more dangerous than the sane. Some types are, but then again, we can lots of types of sane people that believe such things.  George Bernard Shaw thought we should stand in front of a board every five years and justify your existence. 

The average joe uses severity of act to determine sanity… the doctor uses other things besides that… but severity of act is a contextual thing.   Was the severity of acts that brought Hitler to power crazy?  Well then what about the severity of acts that made Washington the first president?  I am not trying to be a relativist, but showing what damage it does, and how we think and never realize it. 

We look at a man or wife that cuts up a body as nuts, the court and psychs see them as sane because they understood the position they were in and acted to protect themselves. 

In this way, the ones who believe they are sane in this way are incomplete. They are unable to judge real sanity.  That is, everyone is sane till they do something nuts… while the psych or cop will say they can be very insane and haven’t done anything nuts yet. 

Its not a thought process disorder to become a ruler of the world… its only such if you declare it while standing on a table…  declare it after you have achieved even a large part of it, then is it so crazy? 

This is why you cant stop the despot before the act. they are NOT crazy, and they bide their time, till they can do these acts and be safe. They work the whole system till they can legally do the evil they do unopposed and even lauded.  That’s not nuts. That’s just misplaced purpose. 

Their nasty behavior comes from another place.  A mixture of personality qualities, desire, and numbness when the thing they have strived for is unperceivable. 

Power itself cant be perceived.  One must exercise it to feel it.  However, positive power cant be perceived. Like checking a broken clock stuck on noon with a working clock, and doing so exactly at noon, you cant tell. 

Perception is not reality. We do not live in reality, we live in the past in a model that is trying to anticipate in the future so that we don’t lag reality.  It’s the only way to explain all of the symptoms of us in one package and to explain ‘mind’ as a spectrum from housefly to Einstein. 

Once the person is taught and refuses to reject the logic, then they have to accept that the only power that one can feel is the power to hurt. It’s why hell is the way it is for us. it’s a deeper metaphor to the truth. Like a western version of a koan where you have to earn the knowledge by reasoning it in order for it to count. 

[edited for length by neo-neocon]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Does anyone have any theories as to why so much energy and political capital are being expended on the whole detention, rendition, interrogation, and intel gathering issue at this time? It seems that a lot of effort is being expended to go after President Bush and his policies MONTHS AFTER HE LEFT OFFICE.</i></p>
<p>It’s easy… </p>
<p>But in order to understand it you have to abandon all hope that he is something than he actually is. Otherwise you will confuse belief with reason, and deny reason for belief.</p>
<p>The communists NEVER argue straight, EVER. Everything as in chess is ulterior motives.  What they want is the material outcome, the thoughts, arguments and things are only a means to select the right tool to get an end. </p>
<p>Everyone’s rationalization here is from themselves and this is a CRAPPY way to analyse other people. it created the vanity that if they don’t do what you do, then they are inane and crazy, despite being more effective than you would ever be able to in your life!!! </p>
<p>Can you see how to effectively maneuver from your childhood or some realization all the way to taking control of a few hundred million people and then have then kill and exterminate themselves for you and for your goals and get it all done in a few years? </p>
<p>Nuts… right?    well that’s because we think that you have to be nuts to do horrible things. nothing could be further from the truth. I hope neo would bear me out, but the mentally deficient are not any more dangerous than the sane. Some types are, but then again, we can lots of types of sane people that believe such things.  George Bernard Shaw thought we should stand in front of a board every five years and justify your existence. </p>
<p>The average joe uses severity of act to determine sanity… the doctor uses other things besides that… but severity of act is a contextual thing.   Was the severity of acts that brought Hitler to power crazy?  Well then what about the severity of acts that made Washington the first president?  I am not trying to be a relativist, but showing what damage it does, and how we think and never realize it. </p>
<p>We look at a man or wife that cuts up a body as nuts, the court and psychs see them as sane because they understood the position they were in and acted to protect themselves. </p>
<p>In this way, the ones who believe they are sane in this way are incomplete. They are unable to judge real sanity.  That is, everyone is sane till they do something nuts… while the psych or cop will say they can be very insane and haven’t done anything nuts yet. </p>
<p>Its not a thought process disorder to become a ruler of the world… its only such if you declare it while standing on a table…  declare it after you have achieved even a large part of it, then is it so crazy? </p>
<p>This is why you cant stop the despot before the act. they are NOT crazy, and they bide their time, till they can do these acts and be safe. They work the whole system till they can legally do the evil they do unopposed and even lauded.  That’s not nuts. That’s just misplaced purpose. </p>
<p>Their nasty behavior comes from another place.  A mixture of personality qualities, desire, and numbness when the thing they have strived for is unperceivable. </p>
<p>Power itself cant be perceived.  One must exercise it to feel it.  However, positive power cant be perceived. Like checking a broken clock stuck on noon with a working clock, and doing so exactly at noon, you cant tell. </p>
<p>Perception is not reality. We do not live in reality, we live in the past in a model that is trying to anticipate in the future so that we don’t lag reality.  It’s the only way to explain all of the symptoms of us in one package and to explain ‘mind’ as a spectrum from housefly to Einstein. </p>
<p>Once the person is taught and refuses to reject the logic, then they have to accept that the only power that one can feel is the power to hurt. It’s why hell is the way it is for us. it’s a deeper metaphor to the truth. Like a western version of a koan where you have to earn the knowledge by reasoning it in order for it to count. </p>
<p>[edited for length by neo-neocon]</p>
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