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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/06/28/health-insurance-reform-as-massachusetts-goes/#comment-118283</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Obama-care winds up anything like the MA Health program in MA, it is nothing but a pig in poke. Never having had the benefit of extra tax dollars, MA Health has always succumbed to a selective posture in payment of claims. In most cases, they don&#039;t pay at all - ever.

When the system hits bottom and there are no funds to pay with, doctors and hospitals will halt their requirement of having to treat people for whom no payment is available by insurance or otherwise, and America will wind up with health care insurance in name only the way everything is currently being run according to the privilege of LLC status and its disclosure of no liability. 

Without liability, can a company even exist and make contracts for which liability is assigned?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Obama-care winds up anything like the MA Health program in MA, it is nothing but a pig in poke. Never having had the benefit of extra tax dollars, MA Health has always succumbed to a selective posture in payment of claims. In most cases, they don&#8217;t pay at all &#8211; ever.</p>
<p>When the system hits bottom and there are no funds to pay with, doctors and hospitals will halt their requirement of having to treat people for whom no payment is available by insurance or otherwise, and America will wind up with health care insurance in name only the way everything is currently being run according to the privilege of LLC status and its disclosure of no liability. </p>
<p>Without liability, can a company even exist and make contracts for which liability is assigned?</p>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/06/28/health-insurance-reform-as-massachusetts-goes/#comment-114271</link>
		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you AVI.

We haven&#039;t had a governing majority that I know of in my lifetime of conservatives.

There always seems to be the Susan Collins or the Specter or the Snowe so willing to be incompetent and never learn economics 101.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you AVI.</p>
<p>We haven&#8217;t had a governing majority that I know of in my lifetime of conservatives.</p>
<p>There always seems to be the Susan Collins or the Specter or the Snowe so willing to be incompetent and never learn economics 101.</p>
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		<title>By: turfmann</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/06/28/health-insurance-reform-as-massachusetts-goes/#comment-114258</link>
		<dc:creator>turfmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AVI, I think that there is a certain number of members that will somehow escape being washed away in the midterms that will get religion after seeing what happens to some less fortunate of their brethren.

Think of it this way, the R&#039;s don&#039;t have the numbers now to block anything from passage.  However, their message is somehow getting through.  Extrapolate that to a near or slight majority after 2010.

(I can dream, can&#039;t I?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AVI, I think that there is a certain number of members that will somehow escape being washed away in the midterms that will get religion after seeing what happens to some less fortunate of their brethren.</p>
<p>Think of it this way, the R&#8217;s don&#8217;t have the numbers now to block anything from passage.  However, their message is somehow getting through.  Extrapolate that to a near or slight majority after 2010.</p>
<p>(I can dream, can&#8217;t I?)</p>
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		<title>By: Assistant Village Idiot</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/06/28/health-insurance-reform-as-massachusetts-goes/#comment-114257</link>
		<dc:creator>Assistant Village Idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>turfmann, my estimate is that we will need at least 60% to offset the RINO, big-gov&#039;t Republicans.  Nothing approaching that has happened in any of our lifetimes.

I think it would be interesting if America tried conservatism and the free market at least once.  So far the best we have been able to hope for is limiting the damage from progressives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>turfmann, my estimate is that we will need at least 60% to offset the RINO, big-gov&#8217;t Republicans.  Nothing approaching that has happened in any of our lifetimes.</p>
<p>I think it would be interesting if America tried conservatism and the free market at least once.  So far the best we have been able to hope for is limiting the damage from progressives.</p>
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		<title>By: turfmann</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/06/28/health-insurance-reform-as-massachusetts-goes/#comment-114243</link>
		<dc:creator>turfmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bipartisan? Massachusetts? Ha! Please realize that you can fit the entirety of the Republican delegation to Beacon Hill into an SUV.  That&#039;s obviously a bit of hyperbole, but not much.

I readily concede that Mr. Obama is a very intelligent man, as we all should; one does not ascend to the highest office in the land without sufficient intellectual horsepower.

It is not his intellect that is at issue here, it is his political ideology.  The trap that the 52% fell into on election day was that they projected upon the self-professed blank slate their own notion of his ideology, while completely ignoring the plain fact that the man is a marxist.

No matter how hard some brave journalists tried to reach through the fawning din created by the dinosaur media to inform us of the true nature of this man, it was not enough.

Realizing that he must still obfuscate his true ideology, marxism is still anathema to the capitalists that are still the majority in America, he twists himself into pretzel knots trying to appear moderate to the electorate, all the while working behind the scenes on his true aims.

Why is he (with his congressional enablers, Pelosi, Reid, etc.) so intent upon rushing through legislation so sweeping in its scope, so profound in its effect upon our nation, without stopping long enough to read the content of the bills, to fulfill the campaign promise of waiting five days for comments before signature? CRISIS!

Yes, crisis.  He inherited this mess and its a crisis.  Its all GWB&#039;s fault and his overwhelming, unopposed, unanimous election to the exalted office of the President (it was unanimous, right?  He won, right?) gives him an unimpeded mandate to completely reweave the fabric of our nation centered about the benevolence of the Federal Government.

Crisis.  Never waste one.

Medicare and Medicaid are approaching insolvency.  Crisis.  Answer, more programs just like it that will also go insolvent.

Global Warming (or Climate Change, if it is too cold where you are currently).  Crisis!  Cap and Trade must be passed or we will all surely die!  Can&#039;t wait! Can&#039;t stop to read 300 pages added to the bill.  No time!  As Senator John Boehner said, its a &quot;pile of shit&quot;. (excuse me)

Many have never been deluded by the aura of Barry Soetoro.  He is nothing but a grown up version of those punks you knew in college that never bathed, wore Che tee shirts, smoked weed while pontificating upon the righteousness of the communist philosophy.  They learned it from their professors, internalized it, then went out into the world not to get a job, start a company or other bourgeois pursuits, but to live off the fat of the government in order to organize the community against the very government that sustained them.  Once they have overwhelmed the government&#039;s ability to live up to its promises, they can use the pretense of the crisis they created to recast the government in the mold that they envision - something that the founding fathers never would approve of.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html

Read it, understand it.  Reflect upon what is being done right now in Washington.  Tell others.  Wake them up.  There are so many minds that need to be changed before the 2010 election.  We need to throw the bums out, starting with Congress.  With a Republican majority (that is to say a majority that is opposed to the statist view of government, not necessarily Republican) we can blunt the further damage Obama can cause.  Further, if he continues to walk the razor&#039;s edge between legal and illegal he will eventually break the law.  If he does (and I think he will) a Congress in the hands of the Republicans should remove him from office.  This is not the small potatoes impeachment such as that of Clinton (perjury, severe as it is, did not call into question the patriotism of the man) but rather the necessity to oust a poseur, a fraud, a traitor.  He will be unmasked eventually, I just hope and pray that it is not too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bipartisan? Massachusetts? Ha! Please realize that you can fit the entirety of the Republican delegation to Beacon Hill into an SUV.  That&#8217;s obviously a bit of hyperbole, but not much.</p>
<p>I readily concede that Mr. Obama is a very intelligent man, as we all should; one does not ascend to the highest office in the land without sufficient intellectual horsepower.</p>
<p>It is not his intellect that is at issue here, it is his political ideology.  The trap that the 52% fell into on election day was that they projected upon the self-professed blank slate their own notion of his ideology, while completely ignoring the plain fact that the man is a marxist.</p>
<p>No matter how hard some brave journalists tried to reach through the fawning din created by the dinosaur media to inform us of the true nature of this man, it was not enough.</p>
<p>Realizing that he must still obfuscate his true ideology, marxism is still anathema to the capitalists that are still the majority in America, he twists himself into pretzel knots trying to appear moderate to the electorate, all the while working behind the scenes on his true aims.</p>
<p>Why is he (with his congressional enablers, Pelosi, Reid, etc.) so intent upon rushing through legislation so sweeping in its scope, so profound in its effect upon our nation, without stopping long enough to read the content of the bills, to fulfill the campaign promise of waiting five days for comments before signature? CRISIS!</p>
<p>Yes, crisis.  He inherited this mess and its a crisis.  Its all GWB&#8217;s fault and his overwhelming, unopposed, unanimous election to the exalted office of the President (it was unanimous, right?  He won, right?) gives him an unimpeded mandate to completely reweave the fabric of our nation centered about the benevolence of the Federal Government.</p>
<p>Crisis.  Never waste one.</p>
<p>Medicare and Medicaid are approaching insolvency.  Crisis.  Answer, more programs just like it that will also go insolvent.</p>
<p>Global Warming (or Climate Change, if it is too cold where you are currently).  Crisis!  Cap and Trade must be passed or we will all surely die!  Can&#8217;t wait! Can&#8217;t stop to read 300 pages added to the bill.  No time!  As Senator John Boehner said, its a &#8220;pile of shit&#8221;. (excuse me)</p>
<p>Many have never been deluded by the aura of Barry Soetoro.  He is nothing but a grown up version of those punks you knew in college that never bathed, wore Che tee shirts, smoked weed while pontificating upon the righteousness of the communist philosophy.  They learned it from their professors, internalized it, then went out into the world not to get a job, start a company or other bourgeois pursuits, but to live off the fat of the government in order to organize the community against the very government that sustained them.  Once they have overwhelmed the government&#8217;s ability to live up to its promises, they can use the pretense of the crisis they created to recast the government in the mold that they envision &#8211; something that the founding fathers never would approve of.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html</a></p>
<p>Read it, understand it.  Reflect upon what is being done right now in Washington.  Tell others.  Wake them up.  There are so many minds that need to be changed before the 2010 election.  We need to throw the bums out, starting with Congress.  With a Republican majority (that is to say a majority that is opposed to the statist view of government, not necessarily Republican) we can blunt the further damage Obama can cause.  Further, if he continues to walk the razor&#8217;s edge between legal and illegal he will eventually break the law.  If he does (and I think he will) a Congress in the hands of the Republicans should remove him from office.  This is not the small potatoes impeachment such as that of Clinton (perjury, severe as it is, did not call into question the patriotism of the man) but rather the necessity to oust a poseur, a fraud, a traitor.  He will be unmasked eventually, I just hope and pray that it is not too late.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveH</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/06/28/health-insurance-reform-as-massachusetts-goes/#comment-114234</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 06:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&quot;If Obama has some game plan that he is in control of, that he is masterfully playing, I’ll be very surprised.
Mel Williams&quot;&quot;

 The master plan is to maintain power and control at all cost. All his senseless policies make perfect sense once thats understood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;If Obama has some game plan that he is in control of, that he is masterfully playing, I’ll be very surprised.<br />
Mel Williams&#8221;"</p>
<p> The master plan is to maintain power and control at all cost. All his senseless policies make perfect sense once thats understood.</p>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/06/28/health-insurance-reform-as-massachusetts-goes/#comment-114233</link>
		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 05:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama understands economics less than any President I have witnessed (Reagan forward).

There are problems that America needs addressing. Obama is not addressing the problems and in fact exacerbating the very problems he identifies needs fixing.

But he won he ways. What an arrogant *****.

No matter that he won, it is his duty to do the due diligence necessary to make good decisions. We can&#039;t hope for him to have an epiphany. We can only hope that the American public put a stop to this mess in 1.5 years....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama understands economics less than any President I have witnessed (Reagan forward).</p>
<p>There are problems that America needs addressing. Obama is not addressing the problems and in fact exacerbating the very problems he identifies needs fixing.</p>
<p>But he won he ways. What an arrogant *****.</p>
<p>No matter that he won, it is his duty to do the due diligence necessary to make good decisions. We can&#8217;t hope for him to have an epiphany. We can only hope that the American public put a stop to this mess in 1.5 years&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mel Williams</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/06/28/health-insurance-reform-as-massachusetts-goes/#comment-114230</link>
		<dc:creator>Mel Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 05:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Obama is a fairly intelligent guy, but I work at a University where there are quite a few intelligent people like him.  I don&#039;t think he&#039;s particularly special this way.

The big question for me - is the guy smart?  Does he understand human nature?  How well does his particular set of life experiences inform his intellect?  Can he take the measure of people and situations and basically get it right?

And, as I&#039;ve mentioned before on this blog, the &#039;intelligent&#039; people I know (to whom I&#039;m putting Obama on a more or less par with) all seem to have very little understanding of economics.  It is, in my opinion, the least studied discipline at our places of higher learning.  I don&#039;t have confidence that Obama does anything more than go with his experts. 

If Obama has some game plan that he is in control of, that he is masterfully playing, I&#039;ll be very surprised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Obama is a fairly intelligent guy, but I work at a University where there are quite a few intelligent people like him.  I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s particularly special this way.</p>
<p>The big question for me &#8211; is the guy smart?  Does he understand human nature?  How well does his particular set of life experiences inform his intellect?  Can he take the measure of people and situations and basically get it right?</p>
<p>And, as I&#8217;ve mentioned before on this blog, the &#8216;intelligent&#8217; people I know (to whom I&#8217;m putting Obama on a more or less par with) all seem to have very little understanding of economics.  It is, in my opinion, the least studied discipline at our places of higher learning.  I don&#8217;t have confidence that Obama does anything more than go with his experts. </p>
<p>If Obama has some game plan that he is in control of, that he is masterfully playing, I&#8217;ll be very surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: chuck</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/06/28/health-insurance-reform-as-massachusetts-goes/#comment-114221</link>
		<dc:creator>chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;:The plan is income redistribution, and a series of policies that reward his natural constituents and supporters&lt;/i&gt;

In a word, he is a machine politician from a big city machine surrounded by advisors from the same culture. We&#039;ll see how machine politics, which has been the ruin of many a city, plays out in the country at large. I expect it to be a close run thing, but maybe the tide will start running the other way. At some point people will want to see positive results rather than listen to another spiel. And I think Obama blew his chances right there at the start by not taking the stimulus bill seriously. But it will take time for all the consequences to filter down through the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>:The plan is income redistribution, and a series of policies that reward his natural constituents and supporters</i></p>
<p>In a word, he is a machine politician from a big city machine surrounded by advisors from the same culture. We&#8217;ll see how machine politics, which has been the ruin of many a city, plays out in the country at large. I expect it to be a close run thing, but maybe the tide will start running the other way. At some point people will want to see positive results rather than listen to another spiel. And I think Obama blew his chances right there at the start by not taking the stimulus bill seriously. But it will take time for all the consequences to filter down through the system.</p>
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		<title>By: neo-neocon » Blog Archive » Health insurance reform: as &#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>neo-neocon » Blog Archive » Health insurance reform: as &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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