Comments on: Obamaspeak on Honduras

By: Artfldgr

Artfldgr — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:36:55 +0000

i wonder if pragmatist realizes how much he sounds like ayn rand?

‘Yes, this is an age of moral crisis. You are bearing punishment for your evil. But it is not man who is now on trial and it is not human nature that will now take the blame. It is your moral code that’s through, this time. Your moral code has reached its climax, the blind alley at the end of its course. And if you wish to go on living, what you now need is not to return to morality . . . but to discover it.”

By: Occam's Beard

Occam's Beard — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:02:03 +0000

“Mass action”

“solidarity”

“end to interference” aka “Hands off”

Thanks for updating us on the Party line, comrade Orange. Or should be that be “Red?”

By: Orange

Orange — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:14:24 +0000

Vijay Prashad writes on Iran and Honduras:

“Iran’s social contradictions have once more erupted into conflict. It does not help for us to wave the flag of intervention, or even to throw our support between one or the other camp in this current situation. Mass action within Iran is now a well-developed institution. In 1953, the U. S. could conduct a coup in the country. In 1979, mass action made it impossible. It remains the basic instinct of the population. The best solidarity from afar is to be analytical, not emotional about what is occurring. Sober analysis of the situation might help us appreciate the fluidity of the politics, the difficulty of finding in this crisis an easy way forward for the left. Things are easier in the case of the Honduras, where the Generals are not only trained by the U. S. at Fort Benning but where it seems plain that the U. S. State Department might bank on this coup to send a message against Bolivarianism across Central and South America. Here we have a clear role, to demand an end to interference in Central America.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/prashad07012009.html

By: Artfldgr

Artfldgr — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:23:19 +0000

“Zelaya,” he declared, “has already committed crimes against the constitution and the law. He can no longer return to the presidency of the republic unless a president from another Latin American country comes and imposes him using guns. Seven and a half million Hondurans will be ready to defend our territory against a foreign invasion.”

By: Pragmatist

Pragmatist — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:13:49 +0000

The USA does not occupy any moral high ground in the world any longer your Saudi BOWING. South American Dictators, Iranian Theocratic Dictators cow towing BOGUS POTUS who also sees fit to insult America’s allies. This is how the world views America for who has hypocrisy writ large. A black singer/songwriter dies during his life he morphed form a good looking black man in to an ugly middle aged white woman hooked on drugs and plastic surgery he had morbid interest in very young children mainly boys and was caught many times abusing them but either bought off his accusers or was aquitted OJ style by a hilariously equally BIASED jury. But the worst thing about this drug addicted pervert is that he BOUGHT three white children as playthings. I say BOUGHT because that is exactly what he did neither he nor the rented womb Debbie Rowe that he used to created the first two children have any biological connection to them he bought the sperm and bought the eggs she was just a well PAID living incubator. Nothing is know about the third child but as it also has no negroid characteristics at all the logical assumption is that he just BOUGHT him too.
So what do we get in the MSM outrage , disgust, condemnation no we get fawning orgasmic worship of this drug addicted pervert. Michael Jackson BUYS three WHITE children as paedophic SLAVES and playthings and the MSM and the stupid American people do nothing except praise the pervert. USA you have no morals any more and you are not fit to lead the free world you have gone too far down the road of liberal, moral equivalent, multi culti, affirmative action depravity that you just can’t even recognise what morality is.

By: Pragmatist

Pragmatist — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 04:20:46 +0000

If Obambi is complicit even by inaction and no condemnation in a foreign invasion of Honduras will the left wing moonbats in the USA then wake up and see him for what he really is. Unfortunately I think not they are too deeply up his ars* to see the light of day and the general population is too stupid witness the orgasmic grief over a black pop singer turned ugly white woman who BOUGHT white children as his paedophilic playthings.

By: Artfldgr

Artfldgr — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:07:39 +0000

I guess Obama just gave chavez the go ahead

US suspends military relations with Honduras
apnews.myway.com/article/20090702/D996022O0.html

By: Gray

Gray — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:28:18 +0000

appropo of nothing:

Weekend Warriors…. What a 10 September notion that turned out to be.

By: Darrell

Darrell — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:47:45 +0000

Yes, Neo has written extensively on the subject, if we contrast the comparison, almost all of our National Guard have made combat tours, that experience as people move up the ranks leads to some pretty solid experienced leadership that those branches of the military never had in the past. Absolutely don’t want to disparage any veterans from back then but the training, tactics and focus on core values, are far different today.

By: Artfldgr

Artfldgr — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:42:58 +0000

at that time they were weekend warriors..

and thats a major difference you point out in training… military WAS not trained for social control, theirs was always about a different goal than capture.

and when you read details, you can tell they obviously didnt get a briefing and knew the lay out of the property and such like that.

they were weekenders who were ordered to appear since the military cant under posse comitatus. and the forces that called them expected that all they would need was their presence.

well, that was true as what happened was they were receeding and trying to move… when they walked into a dead end and did not know how far the communists would take it. (remember many of them had already burned down buildings, had riots, planted bombs and stuff… all things we forget about when we look at the event).

one shot. thats all it takes to start everyone shooting in panic.

for all we know it was a student with a starter pistol.. we dont know whether the first bang was the guard, or something else.

just remember that in communist protests there is a cadre of people in them that tend to try to get the police to be violent to control the image of the event… you can see them in todays events, though no one realizes they are different and fomenting and not just younger people with a bigger desire to do something

by the way.. crowd control then was mostly billy clubs, riding horses into the crowd (why do you think ny has mounted police?), and fire hoses.