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  1. Would he have bowed down to the Sordid King of Saudi, would he have thrown the Israelis under the bus , would he have insulted the British PM and the British Queen, would have thought Austrians speak Austrian, would he have thought the USA had 57 States, would he have thanked HIMSELF at a St Patricks day reception because he is so stupid he read EVERYTHING the Teleprompter tells him, would he have remained silent as Iranian protesters die, would he have restored diplomatic relations with Syria, would he lick Mohammedan ars* and on and on and on. Mc Cain would maybe not have been perfect but he would not have done all the above and been the DISASTER the Obamination is.

  2. The energy crisis will be solved once we can figure out how to harness the infinite power of the Frictionless Can that Bush “kicked down the road.” It apparently has unlimited inertia.

  3. Ooh, good one, Ike.

    Actually, if the Left would think about this idea a little more, they might realize that for them McCain would have been better. If the McCain DOJ filed a brief in support of DOMA, he would have been raked over the coals; Obama took a meeting with Barney Frank and the issue seems to have quietly disappeared. If McCain divided up the Guantanamo detainees into some he’d release, some he’d try, and some he’d hang onto with no apparent timetable for any of the groups, a Democratic Congress would have fallen all over itself coming up with money and plans to clear out Guantanamo *now*. McCain wouldn’t have paid any more attention to FOCA than Obama has, but NOW and NARAL would have been hounding him about it and hounding Congress to pass it and force him to sign or veto. And who knows if Congress would have given McCain any more funding for the wars?

    If McCain were President, he wouldn’t have done any more for social issues than Obama has but the Left, the media, and the Democratic Congress would be hammering him about it day and night. With Obama as President, the Congress won’t lean on him, the media won’t criticize him, and the Left just has to grin and bear it.

  4. would have been markedly different from Obama’s

    We can only go by what McCain demonstrated before the election, odd behavior departing from a scheduled presidential debate (initially I liked this but later thought … was this a stunt?), weird language in the debates (my friends, my friends, my friends… who does he take me for?), and picking … Sarah Palin (who I also initially liked until about the time of the ‘chicken shaman’ incident) — I think markedly different might have been more global alienation, inappropriate aggression, more faith-based stultification in education and science, more anti-progressive stances (gay marriage and legalizing marijuana which conservatives must about-face on and champion — simple things that advance human happiness and cost nothing). For me 2008 was a hairsplitter election that boiled down to … the kid (Obama) has run a good campaign, give him a shot.

  5. Neo–In the department of adding insult to injury, I note that one of the automatic increases in the minimum wage, that the Democrats had so much to do with passing, is due to take place on the 24th, when the minimum wage will jump from $6.55 to $7.25 per hour, just in time to give a boost–I’m sure–to all those people out there–especially those who have been fired or laid off–scrambling for any job, even minimum wage jobs.

    I would imagine that if I were in charge of a company that hired a lot of people at the minimum wage, and my company was struggling to make a profit, I would, post the 24th, hire a lot fewer minimum wage workers. I would also imagine that a lot of those workers would be illegal aliens, who would not be too picky about working conditions and their “rights” as workers.

  6. grabbed from the memory hole..

    graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/images/nytint/docs/obama-s-1983-college-magazine-article/original.pdf

    to quote moonbattery..

    If I can make any sense of his pretentious poppycock, his strategy is: if you confiscate Whitey’s money and flush it down welfare programs, he won’t have any left to defend the country from communists.

    run the borrowed machine into the ground by mismanaging every aspect, claim its a failure for not preventing such, and then create world commnunism.

    such a think though would require how much polity pain?

  7. The promise was there would be no new taxes on people making less than $250,000.

    There was no promise that the agenda wouldn’t create Hyper-inflation, which would make $250K the new minimum wage.

  8. the piece is interesting, and its the earliest thing we can find that shows his thinking and his grasp of history (st6alinist).

    In 1933 the German establishment

    thought it could use Hitler to restore a

    modicum of order to the confused and

    confusing Weimar Republic. In fact,

    Hitler did strengthen the German establishment,

    but not exactly in the way

    the bankers and businessmen had

    wanted; and now, fifty years later, it is

    clear who was using whom.

    Nevertheless, the Western World

    did not complain in 1933 because Hitler,

    though a fascist and a totalitarian, was

    seen, like countless American puppet

    dictators today, as someone who leaves

    the established order in place.

    thats all communist rhetoric..

    its claims that weimar created hitler for a purpose
    [which promotes hitler as on the right, so its the manufactured thing from stalin – everything is right of communism].

    this document gives us the first and only image we have into what he was taught to belive.

    the first sentence says that hitler was a part of weimar, not one of two socilaisms fighting to control the country through the same people.

    he bolsters this with the “at least he made the trains run on time concept”, which is also classical.

    i wish fredhjr was here… he could confirm..

    and he brings up lenins conspiracy of bankers and hitler… so what does this man believe of wwii? he doesnt believ the facts as the west sees it, but as stalin created it.

    the last paragraph basically said that we didnt complain about it because our establishment liked it… but this is a farce… a farce that could only appear that way from inside the most communist of enclaves forgetting that all these articles and such that showed that the west liked hitler, were from the communist left, not from the right protectig the establishment!

    he doesnt know that what he knows is false and twisted… he is supremely confident that he knows teh secret history, etc.

    this is scary if you know what this false history paints in its entirety.

    he is making the claim above that everyone knew that he was a fascist totalitarian from square one in 1933… occam. does that date jive with you?

    and it does the same liberal thing in which events from history are falsely drawn to make up who you are. obama showed it most glaringly when he said he was conceived during marches..

    but its here in this docyument too.
    unlike his books, you can read obama in this and know he wrote it. but he attributes his kind of quote to someone else… you decide.

    “Most people my age remember
    well the air-raid drills in school, under
    the desk with our heads tucked between
    our legs. Older people, they remember
    the Cuban Missile Crisis. I think these
    kinds of things left an indelible mark on
    ouf souls, so we’re more apt to be concerned,”
    says Don Kent

    ok class. which came first, duck and cover or cuba?

    the whole quote sounds like obamas teleprompter, and is invalid in a way that someone who actually lived it woudl not have screwed up on.

    [when you read it, remember that parents paid for college to improve a students cahnces in life, and that these parasites feel that its best to pray on them on campus and derail their future while they are still naive to life and taking their first steps on their own. how nice]

  9. odd behavior departing from a scheduled presidential debate

    Huh?

    weird language in the debates

    He should’ve said “uh uh uh, hold on, hold on, redistribute the wealth in all 57 states.”

    more global alienation

    You say that as if it’s a bad thing. Alienating scum like DinnerJacket and Kim is a virtue; the rest of the world is laughing at the Messiah behind his back. Foreign chancellories are probably rife with comedians brandishing clipboards apeing Obama as a “community organizer,” or pretending to squint into Teleprompters. Google the Sarkozy quote. Putin and Merkel, like Sarkozy, basically blew him off as a featherweight.

    inappropriate aggression

    What, pray tell, would be appropriate aggression by your lights? Do we have to wait for Operation Barbarossa Part Deux?

    more faith-based stultification in education and science

    Yes, McCain did believe in global warming, but so did/does the Messiah, so no difference there.

    more anti-progressive stances (gay marriage and legalizing marijuana

    Those aren’t progressive — they’re stupid.

    the kid (Obama) has run a good campaign,

    Make that, “the kid (Obama) has had a good campaign run for him,” and I’m with you.

    …give him a shot.

    I’m not there yet.

  10. Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-FL) Paves the Way for Concentration Camps

    An amendment to a bill swiftly moving through the US Congress will allow the Obama Administration’s Attorney General to classify Americans as domestic terrorists if they are pro-life, pro-gun and anti-big government.

    He’s also proposed the creation of “emergency camps” that are nothing more than prisons, warns political strategist Mike Baker

    Secretary for Homeland Security Janet Napolitano and her agency included the following description of “extremists:”
    “Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.”

    Rep. Alcee Hastings also introduced what many say is another disturbing piece of legislation. That new bill calls for the Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano to build at least six facilities that can be designated as “emergency centers. Hastings’ rationale for such facilities is to gather and “house” civilians on what are basically detention centers guarded by armed soldiers or paramilitary troops.
    The House bill (HR 645) – National Emergency Centers Establishment Act – is not even on the radar of members of the elite media. According to critics of the plan, if passed the government will create camps or centers that by their nature restrict the activities of US citizens herded into them.

    That’s ok… not like this hasn’t been worked on for a while
    http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r210_35.pdf

    Civilian Inmate Labor Program
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Inmate_Labor_Program

    and REX84, which would make the behavior of FEMA in lousiana make sense… (why they took the guns, locked people inside preventing escape, etc).

    REX84
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex84

    Rex 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984, is a plan by the United States federal government to test their ability to detain large numbers of American citizens in case of civil unrest or national emergency.

    Interesting. That it has orwells year on it… no?

    there is a lot more than this… but until now, none of it was converging…

  11. odd behavior departing from a scheduled presidential debate

    McCain decided to suspend his campaign and return to Washington during that terrifying week when it seemed possible that whole global economy might go into cardiac arrest.

    That was a serious moment in history and I thought McCain’s response was understandable, even laudable. The Obama campaign and the media manage to spin it into McCain’s instability versus Obama’s icy cool nerves.

    Of course, we now know that Obama’s response to any crisis is to do as little as possible and hedge lest he suffer political damage.

  12. nyomythus

    I think markedly different might have been more global alienation

    Here is Obama in his San Antonio speech last year.

    “And if that child should ever get the chance to travel the world, and someone should ask her where she is from, we believe that she should always be able to hold her head high with pride in her voice when she answers ‘I am an American.’
    That is the course we seek. That is the change we are calling for.”

    The metamessage is: “Vote for me and you can be proud of America.”
    I have spent more time overseas as an adult than Obama has as an adult. The more I worked overseas, the better the US looked, and the prouder I was of the US. I inform people that my four years working in Latin America turned me from a progressive of the left into an evil right winger. I found Obama’s words to be profoundly insulting.
    Nor has his going around apologizing for the US sat well with me.
    GLOBAL ALIENATION means that the vicious thugs of the world now feel empowered because Obama has projected an image of ineffectualness.

  13. nyomythus: regarding GLOBAL ALIENATION, I refer you to our friends in Germany, who overwhelmingly supported Obama.

    Such items as Obama-Fingers Uncle Barack’s Cabin?
    That’s what some Germans call that building at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

    My point: are you going to inform me that you feel NO alienation towards people who look at things that way?

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,557861,00.html

    http://www.taz.de/1/leben/medien/artikel/1/is-uncle-baracks-cabin-racist/

    http://medienkritik.typepad.com/blog/2009/03/chicken-fingers-germanys-obamacraze-gets-weird.html

  14. Gringo,

    My sentiments exactly. I am not willing to apologize for America’s faults only to have that apology used by others to avoid seeing their own. When you see news abroad and the extensive coverage of America’s problems, you realize that no other country in the world would survive the scrutiny. Obama may be scheming and have malicious plans, but he is also profoundly ignorant.

  15. Reposting because of preview and copy/paste issues.
    nyomythus: regarding GLOBAL ALIENATION, I refer you to our friends in Germany, who overwhelmingly supported Obama.
    Consider Obama-Fingers. That’s how they market chicken fingers in Germany.
    Ever hear of Uncle Barack’s Cabin?
    That’s what some Germans call that building at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
    From the Der Spiegel article:

    This is not the first time that the Taz has made an “Uncle Tom” reference. Back in 2004, the paper ran a story about Condoleezza Rice’s appointment as US secretary of state under the headline “Uncle Tom’s Rice.”

    Could you imagine any of the above EVER occurring in the US?
    My point: are you going to inform me that you feel NO alienation towards people who look at things that way?

  16. Nyom,

    After all your bashing on symbolism it comes down to this:

    What ideas did Obama vs. McCain have.

    McCain/Palin’s ideas were the prescription.

    Obama’s ideas were the virus.

    And for that matter Democrat ideas are the virus.

    You can’t take more from people to get prosperity.

    Idiot.

    But oh my ! He said ‘my friends’.

    I’ve never seen so much idiocy.

  17. It comes down to substance. People were swayed by a voice delivering a speech written by a 19 yr old speechwriter.

    Policy analysis was missing from people like Nyom. If you can’t learn from history you are doomed to repeat it.

  18. Well, I have several other things I might point out to nyomythus, but I shan’t bother. I don’t think he actually rereads any of his stuff thinking “where might this statement have weaknesses,” or “how will I back this up if challenged?” He just spills stuff out of the bowl.

    To the original topic, however. I think there has been a miscalculation by the Obama people. Blaming a previous administration is an argument that can have limited real value for years, because the effects of any presidency do last. But they have already overused it – it’s their go-to argument because it will work with half of their base indefinitely.

    But that’s only 25% of the population. The rest of the electorate comes to regarded it as chronic blaming pretty quickly.

    Even I, who supported Bush on most things, acknowledge that there are things that he can be legitimately blamed for for quite some time. But he can’t be blamed for everything, over and over again. The Obama folks have shot their bolt after only 12% of their presidency.

  19. Gringo,

    FYI, the TAZ is considered Germany’s edgy left-wing paper. It is changing editors now, and the new one says he wants to move it back to its earlier left positions. Can’t wait. Not that I ever buy the rag. I formed my opinion of it from exerpts and seeing the editor in TV talk rounds.

  20. I have not time at the moment to read all the comments, so if this has already been covered, please forgive me. Immigration- no difference between the two. Mr “country first” had as his hispanic outreach director a former Mexican government official that is on record saying he wanted Mexicans in the United States to think “Mexico first” for generations to come.

  21. With National Review on line covered up with Sarah Palin PAC adds, they still run articles second guessing what she is up to. Article after article saying what she has done is a mistake, a stupid move, whatever. Are they thick?

    With right wing idiots such as this, who needs a nyomythus, or a Maureen Dowd, a daily Kos, etc.
    Our own are doing a better job, because those on the right will actually read these articles and think about them.

    I understand the left truly fears Sarah Palin and what she stands for – and the idea that all of this can surely take hold. The left is more aware of it than our own “brain-fart” trust.

  22. I give honest, well reasoned, and healthy criticism and get mercilessly bashed — must be sorta how Sarah Palin feels … only difference is it’s all apart of the dialectical process … and I’m not quitting.

  23. nyomythus Says:

    July 7th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
    I give honest, well reasoned, and healthy criticism and get mercilessly bashed

    ** musta missed that; I just saw the silly criticisms.

    … and I’m not quitting

    ** hope not! I am sure I am not the only one who counts on a good belly laugh or two.

  24. Nyom.

    You give dishonest, not well reasoned, and unhealthy criticism and get critiqued for doing so. The wife beater comments are designed to get you thinking about your dishonest accusations.

    Only difference is that you a responsible person in a position of power with the choice of giving Alaskans back their state because of people like you costing the state millions and costing her and her staff 80% of her time.

    You are the virus. She was noble.

  25. I meant to say that you are NOT a responsible person in a position of power.

    You wouldn’t know what noble was. You are the opposite.

  26. nyomythus

    I give honest, well reasoned, and healthy criticism and get mercilessly bashed…

    Rather that your poorly thought out statements get thoroughly trashed by being exposed for their nonsense.

  27. McCain would have been far superior. He is more intelligent and he has a greater comprehension of the problems we face.

    Obama is a lightweight. I am tired of hearing about how we were supposedly alienated. Thus far the only people Obama seems interested in making nice with are communists and dictators anyway. No doubt people all over the world are laughing at the man.

    I just love the way Obamabots are always after Sarah Palin. I like Palin, I respect her. I think she was treated very badly by a partisan press. People can make fun of her all they want, but scarcely a day goes by that Joe Biden does not say something stupid, outrageous or just plain embarrassing for the Obama administration. And the Democrats just pretend not to notice, along with the lap dog press.

    So yes, McCain would have been better.

  28. I agree Frank, anonymous chatting and writing with strangers is just a preparation, play, and practice, alphanumeric pixels of light.

  29. “Frictionless Can that Bush “kicked down the road”–Ike

    Exactly. Bush had so, so many opportunities. Our GOP leaders had so many opportunities — wasted. I know, I know, 9/11 was the game changers, we were sadly not ready for that. And though, initially it was uniting, as usual, the left forgets the important lessons and falls back on the ones that they will never be learned — here is no utopia and their IS evil. The Republican party made a half-hearted effort to get it together, but most of them had been there too long to learn anything by the devastation 9/11 wrought. Within a week, I’d say, things were back to Bush bashing, and though Bush was stalwart in areas of national security (with a few misses) he was apparently fine with silence when a voice was needed. He never rarely fought back leaving the rest of us to defend him. That got difficult to do.

    We needed someone willing to press ahead with the issues foremost the country obviously needed to attention: SS, immigration (he blew that one royally), national debt, energy independence, and a position that addressed who to allow private healthcare to offer the best for those who chose to make an effort take part in it. The guy didn’t have what we needed. He wanted to get along (compassionate conservative? –Really? — what to h-ll does that mean?).

    McCain was a clear disaster. Didn’t like him as presidential material ever. He was and is unreliable. He got it sometimes, but mostly he didn’t and doesn’t appear to understand (after more than 30 years in Senate) to grasp fundamental concepts of how the country works. He just wanted (again, like Bush) to get along with the in-crowd at the playground. He never figured out why they will never really liked him. I never understood how someone who went through so much, and was such an amazing person during war, would end up being someone with so little insight. Guess that’s what happens when you are a politician for 35 years, and nobody tells you it’s time to quit.

    Yes, you can blame the previous administration and GOP leaders for the situation we are in today with OB as POTUS. But equally to blame is the horrendously poor educational system that after 30 years of trash teaching has reaped a population unable to think critically. In addition to a Pravda-like media (as a result of decades of Marxist-focused learning in higher education), self-satisfied, unquestioning, and uninterested.

    We really shouldn’t be so surprised to be at this point. The only jaw-dropping thing about it is that it happened so easily, so quickly. And as disastrous as I knew The One would be, the reality is SO much worse.

  30. t’s all apart of the dialectical process

    The dialectical process? Right.

  31. Meaning, that you think only a small minority of far leftists would think Obama was doing the right thing. This ignores the fact that most Americans are neither far left or far right but in the middle somewhere and that there is still wide support for Obama and his plans – including health care which a large majority of American support.

    Also the support for Zelaya is not actually “support” for his policies nor his actions. It is in fact a support for [ready for this…] the Rule of Law. Rather than go through an impeachment trial the military goes about it in a highly dubious way. Hmmm.

    Also just what kind of support should we have given Iran. Invade them? Dear Lord.
    I recall McCain wanted to Bomb Bomb Bomb them. Brainless.

    Anyway, many would agree that we are in an economic crisis that is not the fault on any one party. However the way it gets fixed is not by sitting on the sidelines and doing nothing but tax cuts, which is the only viable Republican solution thus far. The other one is to do nothing at all.
    Would any thinking person accept that? Would you?

  32. I just turn that meme around to people here. I had a satisfying moment with a liberal at work by stating that Mccain and Palin couldn’t make this economy any worse than what Obama’s done. That shut her up neatly.

  33. Neo,

    McCain would have been a disaster on two levels. First, while I agree he would have avoided the excesses of the Obama administration, he would not have done so in a manner to create a perception of clear differences between liberal and conservative values.

    Here is how I perceive McCain would have handled things.

    Domestic Agenda
    Stimulus pt 1 – almost like Obama
    TARP Thuggery – no
    TARP redistribution – almost certainly
    GM / Chrysler Bailout – yes
    OBAMACARE – to the extent that it mirrors Massachusetts insurance mandates – yes
    CAP and Tax – probably (Remember, McCain believes in Human-centric Global Warming)

    Diplomacy
    Russian Reset button – no
    British special relationship – maintained
    Offering to Sacrifice Poland and Czech Republic to Russia – no way
    British DVD Fiasco – no
    Giving own speeches to Queen on cheap IPOD – certainly not
    Iran – nothing substantial accomplished
    N.Korea – same as Iran

    The differences are not substantial enough – McCain isn’t a conservative and would damage the conservative ‘brand’ throughout his term. This way the public learns the consequences of extreme Democratic rule early enough to do something about it – but only if the Republican party can finally learn that the rest of the country isn’t populated by serfs willing to accept their excesses.

    I doubt very much that the Republican party can capitalize on the current state of affairs, and things are not so bad to enable a viable third party. To enable a third party – think Tea Party – would require a misery index above 15 for more than 2 years AND almost total inaction on the part of the Republicans. Not going to happen.

  34. I suppose it’s one of those nope. yep. nope. yep. arguments.

    The better argument (because of McCain’s brand of centrism) would be:

    Wouldn’t pro-growth policies of lowering capital gains, corporate and income taxes spur economic growth and therefore have less people dependent on government than Obama’s policies.

    Are liberals against growth or something? In the private sector people!!!

  35. his plans – including health care which a large majority of American support.

    Rubbish. They do nothing of the kind.

    It is in fact a support for [ready for this…] the Rule of Law.

    The law that Zelaya broke, you mean? Grow up. Zelaya was one Enabling Act away from seizing power.

    Also just what kind of support should we have given Iran. Invade them? Dear Lord.

    My strawman-o-meter just blew up. Did Reagan invade Poland? No — but he voiced his wholehearted support for their cause. Soros’s houseboy could — and should — have done the same.

    Anyway, many would agree that we are in an economic crisis that is not the fault on any one party.

    More rubbish. It’s the fault of the Democrats, coming and going. Ridiculous easy credit (no docs, no down payment — wow) mandated by the CRA and backed by Fannie and Freddie caused a housing bubble that imploded, thereby exacerbating the recession for which we were overdue. The Dems are 100% to blame for the severity of the problem. If you question this, I’ll deluge you with links to video of Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, and various other Dem politicians defending Fannie and Freddie against any attempt at regulation. As the Reds love to say, follow the money: look up where Fannie and Freddie’s campaign contributions went.

    However the way it gets fixed is not by sitting on the sidelines and doing nothing but tax cuts, which is the only viable Republican solution thus far.

    This is called “begging the question,” i.e., assuming the answer in positing the question. How about this one: “the way a cold gets cured isn’t by sitting on the sidelines and awaiting the passage of time, but rather by chanting over a dead cat.” It’s not at all clear that anything can be done in a timely fashion, before the recession unwinds itself.

    So the first question is whether there is anything productive that can be done. The second question is, if so, what? Let’s say we agree that the answers are, respectively, yes, and inject money into the economy. The third question is, how? Is it better that the Federal Government tax people, piss away a substantial fraction of the proceeds in bureaucratic overhead, and then fund construction of Frisbee golf course in Austin, TX in 2011? Or is it better to let taxpayers on the ground decide where to spend their own money?

    The stimulus bill presupposes that the government will spend taxpayer’s money more wisely and prudently than taxpayers themselves would. Would any thinking person accept that? Would you?

  36. there is still wide support for Obama and his plans

    there is no support for obamas plans because when he talks he is not revealing the truth about each goal, often he is lying.

    so they are supporting a lie, not the truth. and since a lie isnt real, they are not supporting him.

    cheating to gain support is not the same as actually having support.

    just as cheating to win a competition is not actually winning a competition.

  37. Likewise, Occam.

    On Rasmussen polls, Obama has consistently polled far better than his specific policies.

    And on Rasmussen today Obama has hit his lowest numbers so far:

    52% Approval — less than what he was elected by.
    -3% Approval Index — meaning that Americans polled more strongly disapprove of Obama than strongly approve.

    Poll numbers inevitably drop for presidents, not just Obama, but Obama’s numbers are dropping faster than usual. What will the Matts of the world say when Obama’s numbers drop below 50% and then some?

    Unless jobs and the stock market come roaring back, and they won’t, Obama’s numbers will sink lower and lower. Even a 9-11 won’t help Obama much, given his hostility to defending America and his deference to the actors most likely to attack us.

  38. Don’t worry, 20-25% unemployment and the rolling blackouts should convince enough of them to realize their mistake.

  39. This is the first good news I’ve seen all month. Please check these folks out. Their platform is astonishing.

    http://theamericanconservatives.org/cms/

    The American Conservative Party

    “The American Conservative Party was founded by a group of people who grew disillusioned with the Republican party, and tired of saying “Someone should do something about it. We need a leader like Reagan or Thatcher.” Collectively, we finally decided that not only was there no Messiah of the Right, but there should not be such an icon.

    “Given a hero to lead them, people would flock to his or her banner, and we’d march on to Washington, ready to smite our foes. Manna would rain from the heavens and we’d bask in our freedoms and economic prosperity.

    “Just one problem. What happens when that hero dies?

    “Well, for an answer to that, look at what happened to “Reaganism.” Look what happened to “Thatcherism.” Barely a generation has gone by, and the U.K. is selling its sovereignty to the bureaucrats in Brussels, and we have “sold our birthright for a mess of porridge.”

    “We, the people, don’t need an icon – we need a firm political philosophy grounded in the 17th & 18th century Age of Enlightenment that produced this very country.

    “The Republican party has failed to even address the need, let alone fulfill it. Instead, they engage in the politics of opportunism, voting for $700 billion bailouts when they are in power, and against them when they aren’t. Individual congressmen decry government spending one week and brag how much they brought to their district in the next.

    “It has to stop. It has to be stopped at all levels. It can’t just be stopped in Washington, the rot is too deep. We must fight at the local, the county, the state, and the federal levels to revive the philosophy of a limited government unable to tax us into peonage, make us dependent upon government for our very subsistence, unable to interfere in our home and work, unable to be the father, mother, and keeper of our very lives and that of our children.

    “This is why we collectively declared, “if there should be no one leader, then there must be a thousand. Our numbers will be legion and we shall not falter with the life of a single person. We few are but the beginning.”

    “It’s a bit pompous sounding, but it expresses the sentiment nicely: We take back our government, or we sell our future generations into tax slavery to pay off the madness that has gripped our leaders – Democrat and Republican alike.

    “Conservatives: Welcome to your new home. Let’s get to work.”

  40. There’s a lot more at their website: the ACP folks have decided that the dry rot extends pretty deeply even into the Republican party, and that a true grass roots effort to build a new party will have the salutary effect of pulling the older parties more nearly back in line with American tradition and ideals.

    I had an unfamiliar sensation reading their platform — I was agreeing with every line in a political document.

    Amazing.

  41. There was no promise that the agenda wouldn’t create Hyper-inflation, which would make $250K the new minimum wage.

    As I’ve said several times:

    I’ve always wanted to be a billionaire. I just never anticipated needing a billion to buy lunch.

  42. thats ok… turns out that a caller to al sharptons show decided to reveal something she knows, and thats sarah palin killed wacko jacko…

    FEMALE CALLER (31:50): He (Michael Jackson) is truly the soundtrack of my life. I also have a theory about Sarah Palin as well and I’m going to put it out there on radio, hopefully someone can investigate.

    But, I think maybe she did something to Michael Jackson. Maybe there’s a scandal there. Maybe she’s stepping down because something’s about to come out. I don’t know, but I’m gonna just put it out there on your show so we’ll see.

    SHARPTON: All right, thank you for your call, Ashley. That’s interesting. I’ll put it out, we’ll see.

    people are getting dumber by the day in the west and completely unfit to survive without the state providing everything including kibble.

    Useless British university graduates
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197742/Graduates-failing-jobs-test–Employers-forced-leave-jobs-unfilled-quality-recruits.html

    I argue with my socilist professor friend that he isnt preparing these post grads for a life in teh real world where their employers will expect them to follow through on their discoveries and create products and things….

    well this is proof that they are not preparing them for a world where they can function. but a world where they can dysfunction (the neo function. like 70 is the new 20)

    98% of what you need is still not enough

    remember it isnt the poro guy who is short the cost of a meal that goes hungry, its the other guy short 5 cents that has to tighten his belt.

  43. Art, I’ve loosened my belt.

    I’m ready to slide it off and whip these idiots…

  44. When people say, “It’s Bush’s fault!” or “Things would be worse with McCain!” the simplest and most effective answer is, “Wasn’t Obama supposed to fix everything? Didn’t he promise to? Didn’t you agree he would?”

    Unfortunatly emotion can trump reason, while reason can’t trump emotion.

  45. “…equally to blame is the horrendously poor educational system that after 30 years of trash teaching has reaped a population unable to think critically. In addition to a Pravda-like media (as a result of decades of Marxist-focused learning in higher education), self-satisfied, unquestioning, and uninterested” – Kasper

    Taking over the educational system of a country is Job #1 for communists/socialists. It wasn’t a coincidence that Bill Ayers chose teaching future teachers as his second career, once his friends started dying in (self-inflicted) bomb blasts.

  46. Part of the genesis of the McCain disaster IMO is that Repub primaries are winner-take-all (delegates). So the candidate with a plurality of a state primary vote (e.g. 35%) is awarded 100% of the state’s delegates.
    Not so for the Dems; their delegates are proportionately allocated, thus the tighter race between Obonga and Hillary.

  47. Tom,

    All Republican candidates (except that one freak that I won’t mention) were more qualified and had America’s best interest at heart with respect to National security

    … and had the economic prescription of various tax rate decreases

    Only Obama had as little experience, such utter lack of economic knowledge and shown little of America’s interest with respect to National security.

  48. Mccain would’ve had to support some sort of bailout. He would have been sensitive to the criticisms of the Left if he wasn’t ‘generous’ enough with taxpayer money. More of the funds though, I suspect, be used in tax cuts. I doubt even he would’ve had the guts or support to take the one corrective action that would have worked immediately: cutting payroll/capital gains taxes to zero. Whatever he did, it hopefully wouldn’t fund ACORN or Barney Frank’s insane idea of more soft loans.

    As for Huxley’s point on Rasmussen. A one point drop there is actually significant since it’s been the most consistently reliable poll to date. O’s numbers are starting to erode and I think it will be a rough summer for him. Especially with higher gas prices.

  49. Unfortunatly emotion can trump reason, while reason can’t trump emotion.

    isnt that the whole basis for the tale and story of Scaramouche? 🙂

  50. Baklava,
    Ive loostened my belt…

    please tell me you have a waist…
    the image can be scary for small children… 🙂

  51. Poor nyomythus. Lost the debate, so now wants to start another, hoping for better results.

  52. The most recent rationalization I’ve heard was along the lines of:

    “It’s going to take more than one term to undo the mess from the last 16 years!”

    A true Obonga supporter….they didn’t have much of a retort when I noted that unemployment is currently higher than it ever was under Bush – and that it went up AFTER the inauguration.

  53. Rather than go through an impeachment trial[of Zelaya] the military goes about it in a highly dubious way. Hmmm.

    Is there provision for impeachment in the Honduran constitution? I have no idea and I doubt the writer does either. Hmmm.

    The differences are not substantial enough – McCain isn’t a conservative and would damage the conservative ‘brand’ throughout his term.

    OMG YES! The “brand” must never, ever be damaged! Better a thousand Obamas be elected than the “brand” be nicked, scratched, cracked or otherwise damaged. Thanks, brand-protectors!

    … look at what happened to Reaganism …

    Yep — let’s take a look. Reaganism was a positive, inclusive philosophy with the emphasis on issues of governance: limited government, a free market economy and a strong national defense. O for those halcyon days of yore!

    Now let’s take a look at the present-day GOP: the emphasis is on issues of morality: shamnesty, anti-gay marriage, exclusivity, purity, accusations of being a RINO flung about like rice at a wedding, the Chairman of the Republican National Committee forced to apologize to El Rushbo in order to keep his job. O how far the Grand Old Party has fallen!

    [Social] Conservatives: Welcome to your new home[the American Conservative Party]. Let’s get to work [and hand Obama an even bigger victory next time].

  54. Baklava, br549,

    I’ll leave my appeal to reasonable minds. Thank you! Thank you! You all may be seated! Oh, so silent many, you may please be seated!

  55. With Obama as President, the Congress won’t lean on him, the media won’t criticize him, and the Left just has to grin and bear it.

    And this is a good thing? I respectfully urge the writer to not count the blessings(even minor, tortured blessings) that an Obama world brings to us. Oh yes, the Left is grinning alright but they seem to be bearing it with ease. They don’t care if we(the Obama opposition) gain some small satisfaction from the hypocrisy of the Congress and the MSM, they’re too busy running things — into the ground, I might add.

    This has nothing to do with what the writer, an intelligent commentor who means well, posted above but while I’m at it I will assert that we need to stop thinking of ourselves as conservatives, social conservatives, centrists, independents, real liberals, libertarians, “kind of” libertarians, classic liberals with conservative traits or even as Republican voters. We need to think of ourselves as The Obama Opposition and unite to vote him out of office.

    Time enough to iron out our differences or perhaps go off on our own after the Obamamites are kicked out. All this talk about how true conservatives need their own party or how duly nominated Republican candidates weren’t or won’t be worth voting for just plays into Obama’s hands.

    If you don’t like the Republican nomination process there is a procedure in place for changing that. You might first do a bit of research to find out why the Republican nomination process is different than the Democrat method.

    If the next Republican presidential candidate is so purely conservative that it makes the social conservatives so happy that they get what was known as “the vapors” in a gentler age, I, a classic liberal with some conservative traits, will enthusiastically campaign for, give money to he or she, and proudly march to the polls with their campaign button prominently displayed and throw that lever down for them, just as I did for McCain/Palin — even though I will not agree with some of their beliefs and policies. Why, o why, can’t you hard conservatives do the same?

    Don’t put your hopes into some kind of nationwide, mind-changing, game-changing cataclysmic event or situation to rescue you from Obama. The voters will probably not wake up some morning and see the absolute virtue of conservatism and the absolute evil of soft socialism — even if the economy goes further down the drain. He’s not likely to be impeached — you’re dreaming if you think so. He could retain power even in the midst of unpopularity. Bush was unpopular, yet he served 2 terms and successfully carried on an unpopular war.

    Here’s the choice you social conservatives will have: You can look forward to basking in the warm glow of self-satisfied purity while at the same time whining about Obama after he wins again or you can join the rest of us and kick Obama out of office. There … really … are … no … other … options.

  56. Grackle, I agree with your last paragraph. I think it’s safe to assume there is no one in here, save a couple, who intend to vote for Obama – or did the first go ’round.

  57. I think it’s safe to assume there is no one in here, save a couple, who intend to vote for Obama – or did the first go ’round.

    It’s not a matter of conservatives voting for Obama. It’s a matter of conservatives staying home on voting day because they are/were disappointed in the Republican nominee. Enthusiasm wins elections and it is no secret that many conservatives were disappointed in McCain.

    Let’s not forget that Rush Limbaugh repeatedly bashed McCain before and after the nomination. Coulter went so far as to exhort folks to vote Democrat, her hatred is so strong. These two, especially Limbaugh, have a huge following. Many lesser lights, such as Michelle Malkin and Laura Ingraham, joined the McCain gang-bang. Limbaugh is seen as some kind of deity by many and if you are a Republican politician and you forget yourself and criticize El Rushbo you will end up having to publicly kiss his butt. I’ve had my own motivations questioned by commentors on this blog for daring to criticize Limbaugh, Coulter, etc.

    Now we all know that the MSM painted Obama as a moderate during the campaign and continue to do so. Why do you think the MSM promoted Obama as a moderate instead of what he demonstrably was and is? Well, folks, I think it is because extremists rarely win presidential elections and the MSM wanted very much that Obama should win.

    In the next presidential election Obama will likely be pictured as a moderate by the MSM, as he was before and he is now. If the Republicans nominate another McCain-like centrist it will be a good thing because centrists win presidential elections, not extremists. But any centrist likely to be nominated will not have the assistance of a gloss job by the MSM.

    The Republican nominee will have to be a real, honest to God centrist, or the MSM will be able to easily characterize them as an extremist with the MSM’s standard hatchet-job tools of half-truths, innuendo, false implications, quoting out of context, astro-turfing and other nefarious techniques. Jon Stewart, Letterman, SNL, Maher, the View, etc. will all follow suit.

    But any Republican centrist nominee will also most likely get what McCain got from the social conservatives and Limbaugh and company — a thorough bashing. Such enmity leads to lack of enthusiasm and enthusiasm wins elections.

    Now here’s what is going to make the heads explode of some conservatives that read it: Any Republican candidate that agrees with you on every issue, which is all you seem to be able to tolerate — agreement on every issue, will probably not win the election. They will be easily characterized as an extremist by the MSM.

    To top it off, politically the conservatives are on the wrong side of some key issues:

    Believe it or not, most voters do not want women thrown in jail for having an abortion. They do not look upon abortion as murder and do not enjoy being called murderers. Many folks have family and friends who have had abortions and the thought of them going to jail — or even being ostracized for it – leaves them cold.

    For good or ill, the issue of gay marriage is changing in the public’s mind. Gay marriage is only a step away from civil unions and the civil unions issue was lost awhile back. Face it — they are going to be married. I know several gay persons who are very conservative in their outlook except for this issue. One in ten Americans are gay. You need their vote.

    The demagoging by some Republican politicians on immigration is driving away the Latino voters by droves. Even if everything else is perfect the Republicans cannot win without the Latino vote. If you want to continue to lose then all you have to do is what you have been doing on this issue and you will be assured of losing every presidential election in the future.

    The Democrats will hold committee hearings on immigration just before the off-year elections that are coming up. Why? Because they want to get as many Republican politicians as possible on video as they demagogue on the issue. There will be no bill to actually vote on — just hearings. That’s all they need. In fact, the Democrats probably do not want an immigration bill passed — the issue is too beneficial to their party for them to allow it to be resolved by the passage of new law.

    What is my motivation? Simply: to stop Obama. I think terrible things are going to happen if he remains in office. And it looks as if he will be a cinch to be a two-term President unless the Republicans wake up.

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