Comments on: Let’s hear it for the second stimulus http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/08/lets-hear-it-for-the-second-stimulus/ Thu, 24 May 2012 18:23:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Adagny http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/08/lets-hear-it-for-the-second-stimulus/#comment-115890 Adagny Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:11:46 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/08/lets-hear-it-for-the-second-stimulus/#comment-115890 I say stop now, while the interest on the $11,000,000,000,000 debt is only $26 billion, per month. Take the unspent money from the first so-called stimulus and give it back to the tax payers. Then cut the corporate tax rate and do everything to help small business. Ya-hoo, stimulus for dummies. I say stop now, while the interest on the $11,000,000,000,000 debt is only $26 billion, per month.

Take the unspent money from the first so-called stimulus and give it back to the tax payers. Then cut the corporate tax rate and do everything to help small business.

Ya-hoo, stimulus for dummies.

]]> By: Artfldgr http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/08/lets-hear-it-for-the-second-stimulus/#comment-115777 Artfldgr Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:44:10 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/08/lets-hear-it-for-the-second-stimulus/#comment-115777 actually not hockey mom... thats a false position... a variation of the broken window fallacy so common among economic illiterates. look on your phone bill... you will find that the tax to pay for one of the early american wars (spanish american), is still being paid.. so we are still paying for that one too... wars SEEM to do waht you say... but let me know who the wealthiest self made men are, and i will show you that most made their money realted to manufacturing. bill gates is a manufacturer... MOST created their huge vibrant wealth during periods of internal piece. the ones that make money off of wars are the huge corporatist fascist companies (like IBM) who have matured and cant make revenue easily within their domain. so they look for someplace else. look at it this way hockey mom.. the capitslists create the wealth and material, that the polticians take control of and have excursions with, which bankrupts the nation (if they lose), and so starts the cycle all over again. yes witout capitalism you wouldnt have bank robbery... and without larger organisms you dont have virus... in both cases you dont destroy the bank or the body as a way to control bank robbery or desease. actually not hockey mom…

thats a false position… a variation of the broken window fallacy so common among economic illiterates.

look on your phone bill… you will find that the tax to pay for one of the early american wars (spanish american), is still being paid..

so we are still paying for that one too…

wars SEEM to do waht you say…

but let me know who the wealthiest self made men are, and i will show you that most made their money realted to manufacturing.

bill gates is a manufacturer…

MOST created their huge vibrant wealth during periods of internal piece.

the ones that make money off of wars are the huge corporatist fascist companies (like IBM) who have matured and cant make revenue easily within their domain. so they look for someplace else.

look at it this way hockey mom..

the capitslists create the wealth and material, that the polticians take control of and have excursions with, which bankrupts the nation (if they lose), and so starts the cycle all over again.

yes witout capitalism you wouldnt have bank robbery… and without larger organisms you dont have virus…

in both cases you dont destroy the bank or the body as a way to control bank robbery or desease.

]]> By: Matthew M http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/08/lets-hear-it-for-the-second-stimulus/#comment-115769 Matthew M Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:43:42 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/08/lets-hear-it-for-the-second-stimulus/#comment-115769 Since no plural was used by anyone before my "stimuli" comment, it was not intended as a correction. I should have opted for stimu<i>lie</i> rather than stimu<strong>li</strong> ;) Since no plural was used by anyone before my “stimuli” comment, it was not intended as a correction. I should have opted for stimulie rather than stimuli ;)

]]> By: I R A Darth Aggie http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/08/lets-hear-it-for-the-second-stimulus/#comment-115763 I R A Darth Aggie Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:20:25 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/08/lets-hear-it-for-the-second-stimulus/#comment-115763 Hey, Hokey Mom from Somewhere, how's The One's Great Overland Invasion of Pok-ee-stahn coming? Hey, Hokey Mom from Somewhere, how’s The One’s Great Overland Invasion of Pok-ee-stahn coming?

]]> By: neo-neocon http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/08/lets-hear-it-for-the-second-stimulus/#comment-115759 neo-neocon Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:35:37 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/08/lets-hear-it-for-the-second-stimulus/#comment-115759 Nice straw man, Hockey Mom. It's what you do best. Nice straw man, Hockey Mom. It’s what you do best.

]]> By: Hockey Mom From Wasilla http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/08/lets-hear-it-for-the-second-stimulus/#comment-115758 Hockey Mom From Wasilla Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:25:46 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/08/lets-hear-it-for-the-second-stimulus/#comment-115758 President McCain's wars against Iran, China, Venezuela, Russia and North Korea would have stimulated the economy, balanced the budget and paid for themselves by now. You betcha, because that's what wars do! President McCain’s wars against Iran, China, Venezuela, Russia and North Korea would have stimulated the economy, balanced the budget and paid for themselves by now. You betcha, because that’s what wars do!

]]> By: JKB http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/08/lets-hear-it-for-the-second-stimulus/#comment-115753 JKB Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:40:04 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/08/lets-hear-it-for-the-second-stimulus/#comment-115753 As Artfldgr pointed out, the stimulus is going to counties that supported Obama, so he is paying off his supporters. Problem is they aren't stimulating the economy given they weren't producers in the first place. Now they need a second stimulus. Perhaps the first stimulus wasn't enough or perhaps Obama's support is faltering and they need more cash to keep the "faithful" on their side. So our options are when you're digging a hole and the rain starts filling it up, you dig faster in the hopes the water won't overtop your head or when you're paying off supporters, you always need more cash to keep them on your side. As Artfldgr pointed out, the stimulus is going to counties that supported Obama, so he is paying off his supporters. Problem is they aren’t stimulating the economy given they weren’t producers in the first place. Now they need a second stimulus. Perhaps the first stimulus wasn’t enough or perhaps Obama’s support is faltering and they need more cash to keep the “faithful” on their side.

So our options are when you’re digging a hole and the rain starts filling it up, you dig faster in the hopes the water won’t overtop your head or when you’re paying off supporters, you always need more cash to keep them on your side.

]]> By: I R A Darth Aggie http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/08/lets-hear-it-for-the-second-stimulus/#comment-115752 I R A Darth Aggie Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:38:21 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/08/lets-hear-it-for-the-second-stimulus/#comment-115752 Hey, Jeff, take a look at this <a href="http://michaelscomments.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/stimulus-vs-unemployment-june-dots.gif" rel="nofollow">graph of unemployment</a> and come back and tell us how well it is working out, ok? Hey, Jeff, take a look at this graph of unemployment and come back and tell us how well it is working out, ok?

]]> By: Artfldgr http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/08/lets-hear-it-for-the-second-stimulus/#comment-115749 Artfldgr Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:58:04 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/08/lets-hear-it-for-the-second-stimulus/#comment-115749 www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-07-08-redblue_N.htm Billions in aid go to areas that backed Obama in '08 <i>Billions of dollars in federal aid delivered directly to the local level to help revive the economy have gone overwhelmingly to places that supported President Obama in last year's presidential election. That aid — about $17 billion — is the first piece of the administration's massive stimulus package that can be tracked locally. Much of it has followed a well-worn path to places that regularly collect a bigger share of federal grants and contracts, guided by formulas that have been in place for decades and leave little room for manipulation. </i> This is how chavez did it, how that Austrian guy did it, and others. The message is clear, side with obama and he will crush your opponents and give you the money!!!! After about 2 years of that his power will be sealed as all these people and others (as in Germany) Jump on a bandwagon that makes them more winners not for merit but for backing the guy that will decide who lives and dies in a new state run society. Once this happens then everyone with end justifies means thinking will just sign on. They do not have the moral will to stand up and be struck down, so they sit down and get paid. They did this with the GM bailouts, they are doing this all over. The message is VERY clear, if you side with me, I will steal the money from those against me and give that to you. I will steal huge sums from the people and pay you off so that you can donate some of it back to me. So pretty soon, like that book excerpt I sent you from the guy who lived through the german change, there will be no way to oppose the sweeping force of so many people jumping on the bandwagon to outcompete everyone else to get more. except now they are not competing by making products, they are competing in who can give the leader the most power and so get the most favor. too bad few took the time to read that stuff (if they did they would have commented). http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-07-08-redblue_N.htm

Billions in aid go to areas that backed Obama in ’08

Billions of dollars in federal aid delivered directly to the local level to help revive the economy have gone overwhelmingly to places that supported President Obama in last year’s presidential election.
That aid — about $17 billion — is the first piece of the administration’s massive stimulus package that can be tracked locally. Much of it has followed a well-worn path to places that regularly collect a bigger share of federal grants and contracts, guided by formulas that have been in place for decades and leave little room for manipulation.

This is how chavez did it, how that Austrian guy did it, and others.

The message is clear, side with obama and he will crush your opponents and give you the money!!!!

After about 2 years of that his power will be sealed as all these people and others (as in Germany)

Jump on a bandwagon that makes them more winners not for merit but for backing the guy that will decide who lives and dies in a new state run society.

Once this happens then everyone with end justifies means thinking will just sign on.

They do not have the moral will to stand up and be struck down, so they sit down and get paid.

They did this with the GM bailouts, they are doing this all over.

The message is VERY clear, if you side with me, I will steal the money from those against me and give that to you. I will steal huge sums from the people and pay you off so that you can donate some of it back to me.

So pretty soon, like that book excerpt I sent you from the guy who lived through the german change, there will be no way to oppose the sweeping force of so many people jumping on the bandwagon to outcompete everyone else to get more. except now they are not competing by making products, they are competing in who can give the leader the most power and so get the most favor.

too bad few took the time to read that stuff (if they did they would have commented).

]]> By: Artfldgr http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/08/lets-hear-it-for-the-second-stimulus/#comment-115746 Artfldgr Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:28:15 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/08/lets-hear-it-for-the-second-stimulus/#comment-115746 Nyo, i would guess that they heard they were going to get cash from the stimulus in the future, then in anticipation did that. i have seen it dozens of times, its what happens with socialism. we react as if the new condition that was created by state rules is like a real principal of operation, and so we adapt to it to take advantage. but in truth the state is capricuious, it gets you to spend your money that you would save for college, then when its time to pay for your college, the capricous rules change. same thing with the organizations who are promised cash, they count it as if its a hatched and ready chicken. later when there are no eggs, they are in deeper crisis than before. and voila, the excuse to get more stimulus as the people who spent it are not gettnig what they spent already. only a politican can spend one dollar three ways and not be arrested or thrown out for delusional accounting concepts. Nyo,
i would guess that they heard they were going to get cash from the stimulus in the future, then in anticipation did that.

i have seen it dozens of times, its what happens with socialism. we react as if the new condition that was created by state rules is like a real principal of operation, and so we adapt to it to take advantage. but in truth the state is capricuious, it gets you to spend your money that you would save for college, then when its time to pay for your college, the capricous rules change.

same thing with the organizations who are promised cash, they count it as if its a hatched and ready chicken. later when there are no eggs, they are in deeper crisis than before. and voila, the excuse to get more stimulus as the people who spent it are not gettnig what they spent already.

only a politican can spend one dollar three ways and not be arrested or thrown out for delusional accounting concepts.

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