Comments on: Iraq: was there ever a time before this…

By: Pragmatist

Pragmatist — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:34:19 +0000

I see your good friends the ‘Moderates’ have been in action again today in Indonesia ‘nyoyhymus’ don’t you ever feel shame when you get things so wrong. Or is being a deluded ‘libtard’ mean you never have to say sorry. By the way please step up your English comprehension skills you misrepresent what I say then attack the ‘strawman’ you have thus created . What a laugh you are that does not show much intellectual capacity on your part.

By: nyomythus

nyomythus — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:51:12 +0000

Oh, only a Christian in a predominately Islamic society can be considered a moderate, as in, someone worthy of us finding common ground with to fight the extremist… hah!? This isn’t worth the dignity of a reply. So I’m done.

By: Pragmatist

Pragmatist — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:42:58 +0000

Just because some Mohammedans are not fanatics does not mean the CULT itself is not fanatical. You can see what happens when Mohammedans gain control look at the Dhimmi Bumiputera Laws in Malaysia where there are only 60 % Muslims look at Saudi where you cannot even bring a Bible in to the country. How many Mosques are there in Rome quite a few how many Churches in Mecca not one. Now you can argue that there are no Christians there to go to church and you would be correct. But then ask why because they have been driven out thats why there also used to be a lot of Jews but the ones Mohammad did not kill are long gone of course. So you can keep all your multi culti moral equivalence moonbat PC sentiments because they are what is killing the West.

By: Pragmatist

Pragmatist — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:25:13 +0000

Who shifted any goalposts you fool I have been totally consistent in what I have said all along it is you who have tried to be slippery ‘nyomythus’ and now you are claiming victory because you finally agree with me. Islam the CULT is what is dangerous and the moderates are the misunderstanders of Islam not the Terrorists so as long as the CULT survives with its Arab Supremacism intact, and it MUST because the Koran is the ‘actual unalterable word of God’ so there is no room for compromise.

By: huxley

huxley — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:02:31 +0000

At its core Islam is a supremacist ideology. As long as that is true, Islam will always be potentially dangerous to those of us in the non-Muslim sphere, which Islam pointedly describes as the “House of War.”

However, Muslims are human beings, not Star Trek computers which explode in a shower of sparks if they are inconsistent. Like most human beings Muslims mostly want a quiet life to do their work and raise their families. It takes a lot of effort to keep Muslims excited about jihad and hating the US and Israel.

To the extent that the West keeps a strong military and quashes Muslim hopes for the grand jihad, we can work with them, as indeed we have for centuries.

In our age it’s a matter of getting through the next twenty-five years when Muslims have so much oil and a big youth bulge. After that changes, it’s going to be a very different dynamic.

By: Assistant Village Idiot

Assistant Village Idiot — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:18:57 +0000

pragmatist, you are making the same point over and over, but not supporting it. You say that all Islam is dangerous because they believe the Koran, and we should therefore give no encouragement to any of them.

First, even it were true that all Muslims were ultimately unfixable as long as they hung to a few shreds of their belief, it would still be true that the faith isn’t going away soon, and it might be uh, pragmatic, to at least deal with the least bad group we can find.

Second, making the claim that there are elements of Islam which are ultimately incompatible with Western society does not prove that Islamic believers or nations are unable to interact with us in a safe way. At most, it would be mild evidence for that point, if that incompatibility could indeed be demonstrated.

I get it that there are very bad things in Islam, right there in the blackletter text. That doesn’t prove your point. And shouting that we’re blind and just don’t see the obvious is unlikely to be persuasive with me.

By: nyomythus

nyomythus — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:15:50 +0000

which does even attempt to rebut the FACT that I told you about the Koran which is the core of Islam.

The FACT, and I mean THE FACT is the Koran is the core of Islam — if that’s the point you wish to make, and it isn’t, then yes I do agree, happy to see we share some common ground. It’s about the lamest shift of the goal post I’ve ever witnessed, but it’s your game. Yes, I would agree 100%! The Koran is the core of Islam.

We have friends worth defending in predominately Islamic societies.

pwned

By: Pragmatist

Pragmatist — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:05:02 +0000

‘nyomythus’ as usual your head is so far up your backside that you cant see the wood for the trees. We are not talking about individual Muslims many of whom I know extremely well I am even married to one and have lived many years in Mohammedan countries. What we are talking about is ISLAM the CULT . Now you may think you are being oh so clever and multi culti but you have proved you know absolutely NOTHING about Islam yet feel free to pontificate in your moral equivalent ‘libtard’ way about it. YOU ‘nyothymus’ are the PROBLEM and certainly not the solution and the reason the USA is in the state it is now. Now be a good boy and READ the Koran and the Sahih aHadith then come back and talk with the big boys. Your response contained nothing but vacuous waffle which does even attempt to rebut the FACT that I told you about the Koran which is the core of Islam.

By: nyomythus

nyomythus — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:37:27 +0000

Pragmatist so pleased to see that you’re shaking in your booting hoping that I can’t confirm a well reasoned rebuttal.
Are you saying that all people living in predominately Islamic cultures are the same? Did you know that there are secular, liberal peoples living in the larger societies who, for whatever reason, manage to separate the magisterium of religion and secular authorities, who value secularism over their religious duties (I see it as a conflict of interest but it doesn’t matter what I think on this point) because it doesn’t matter because as long as people value secularism particularly in democratic models then you have a society which by and large tolerates diversity, respects secular law, etc… These people exist in the predominately Islamic societies and the FAILURE that we incurred after defeating the Saddam/Baathist regime in Iraq was that we did not make this distinction, many of the average citizen are our allies, the Kurdish people are certainly our allies, Iranian reform-minded people are certainly our allies. And if there are those that are not – it is critical that we get them on our side because we cannot fight global Islamic theocratic fascism alone.
Certainly not all the peoples under Nazi German’s occupied landed were all the same… I mean … wtf??
How can you voice criticism and know nothing of what you’re talking about? It’s good to repeat the obvious as I’ve done here, but don’t think for a second that it’s being done to validate a disputable point — the fact hat we have allies in predominately Islamic societies is self-evident.

By: Helen

Helen — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:05:31 +0000

Vietnam? Only this time it will be harder to convince anyone who was not a believer in the first place that it was a defeat in Iraq.