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	<title>Comments on: Cronkite and Vietnam: Part II</title>
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		<title>By: jinxx</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/19/cronkite-and-vietnam-part-ii/#comment-243818</link>
		<dc:creator>jinxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 03:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lets not forget that 57,000 young Americans died and countless wounded mentally as well as physically. so was the war wrong? to bad we can&#039;t ask them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lets not forget that 57,000 young Americans died and countless wounded mentally as well as physically. so was the war wrong? to bad we can&#8217;t ask them.</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/19/cronkite-and-vietnam-part-ii/#comment-138184</link>
		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your article turned out to be a awesome read ! Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your article turned out to be a awesome read ! Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Weixelbaum</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/19/cronkite-and-vietnam-part-ii/#comment-133177</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Weixelbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason Weixelbaum here--

I&#039;m unsure if I commented on this blog or another, but I want anyone who may be paying attention to this conversation that I have investigated Charles Higham&#039;s sources and it turns out he had far *more* evidence of American collaboration with Nazi Germany - not less. 

Yes, he was poor on the footnoting but ultimately, I can attest that his argument is stronger than ever. I will be posting a follow up to my book review sometime within the next few months.

There are piles and piles of documents (that he is responsible for getting declassified through the Freedom of Information Act - thank you very much) that he did not even use for his book. This information presents a powerful picture of corporations who knew what they were doing before, during, and after the war.

Since my name was mentioned in this discussion, I figure the readers of this blog might want to know where I currently stand on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason Weixelbaum here&#8211;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m unsure if I commented on this blog or another, but I want anyone who may be paying attention to this conversation that I have investigated Charles Higham&#8217;s sources and it turns out he had far *more* evidence of American collaboration with Nazi Germany &#8211; not less. </p>
<p>Yes, he was poor on the footnoting but ultimately, I can attest that his argument is stronger than ever. I will be posting a follow up to my book review sometime within the next few months.</p>
<p>There are piles and piles of documents (that he is responsible for getting declassified through the Freedom of Information Act &#8211; thank you very much) that he did not even use for his book. This information presents a powerful picture of corporations who knew what they were doing before, during, and after the war.</p>
<p>Since my name was mentioned in this discussion, I figure the readers of this blog might want to know where I currently stand on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Augean Stables &#187; Walter Cronkite: Avuncular Advocacy Journalist and the Origins of the MSNM&#8217;s Augean Stables</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/19/cronkite-and-vietnam-part-ii/#comment-117347</link>
		<dc:creator>Augean Stables &#187; Walter Cronkite: Avuncular Advocacy Journalist and the Origins of the MSNM&#8217;s Augean Stables</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 05:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Part II, Neo-con specifically addresses the details of Cronkite&#8217;s post-Tet Offensive reporting. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Part II, Neo-con specifically addresses the details of Cronkite&#8217;s post-Tet Offensive reporting. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Oblio</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/19/cronkite-and-vietnam-part-ii/#comment-117318</link>
		<dc:creator>Oblio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back on thread...

&lt;i&gt;De mortuis nil nisi bonum&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t think that poor old Walter was really the issue: he was and remained a vector for conventional liberal opinion.  Why he had an audience is more interesting, and why that audience found his death significant.  I suppose his image fit somehow into a story about their own lives, and why they stand for all that is good.

Much of Cronkite&#039;s prestige derived from Ed Murrow&#039;s, and probably ultimately from Murrow&#039;s broadcasts from London during the Battle of Britain and Blitz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back on thread&#8230;</p>
<p><i>De mortuis nil nisi bonum</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that poor old Walter was really the issue: he was and remained a vector for conventional liberal opinion.  Why he had an audience is more interesting, and why that audience found his death significant.  I suppose his image fit somehow into a story about their own lives, and why they stand for all that is good.</p>
<p>Much of Cronkite&#8217;s prestige derived from Ed Murrow&#8217;s, and probably ultimately from Murrow&#8217;s broadcasts from London during the Battle of Britain and Blitz.</p>
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		<title>By: Oblio</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/19/cronkite-and-vietnam-part-ii/#comment-117313</link>
		<dc:creator>Oblio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pragmatist, you are right in one thing: I should have considered the possibility of fraudulent invoices and bills of lading and the opportunity to use neutral countries as cut-outs.  That&#039;s the way companies (including European companies and state-owned enterprises in places such as Russia and China) get around UN sanctions to this day.  I have seen it argued that by this method, illegal Oil-for-Food profits were directed to al-Qaeda.  

I stand by my statement that there are probably no records of Standard Oil of New Jersey shipments of oil to Germany anytime after December 1941.  If cut out shipments did occur, I can&#039;t find evidence that they were material in terms of volume, and more importantly, that such shipments represented any kind of U.S. policy.  If such things happened, the US Treasury was probably trying to track it and suppress it as part of our economic warmaking.

Higham&#039;s book seems to be read and reviewed mainly by crackpots, Communists, and, as best I can tell, Jewish writers interested in Holocaust reparations.  A review by one professional historian (Jason Weixelbaum) complained about its tabloid style and its sloppy documentation for sensational claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pragmatist, you are right in one thing: I should have considered the possibility of fraudulent invoices and bills of lading and the opportunity to use neutral countries as cut-outs.  That&#8217;s the way companies (including European companies and state-owned enterprises in places such as Russia and China) get around UN sanctions to this day.  I have seen it argued that by this method, illegal Oil-for-Food profits were directed to al-Qaeda.  </p>
<p>I stand by my statement that there are probably no records of Standard Oil of New Jersey shipments of oil to Germany anytime after December 1941.  If cut out shipments did occur, I can&#8217;t find evidence that they were material in terms of volume, and more importantly, that such shipments represented any kind of U.S. policy.  If such things happened, the US Treasury was probably trying to track it and suppress it as part of our economic warmaking.</p>
<p>Higham&#8217;s book seems to be read and reviewed mainly by crackpots, Communists, and, as best I can tell, Jewish writers interested in Holocaust reparations.  A review by one professional historian (Jason Weixelbaum) complained about its tabloid style and its sloppy documentation for sensational claims.</p>
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		<title>By: neo-neocon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/19/cronkite-and-vietnam-part-ii/#comment-117264</link>
		<dc:creator>neo-neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ad: This is the last time I&#039;ll say essentially the same thing---Cronkite was shortsighted and ignorant about the military, because those things can (and did) change.  And his knowledge of WWII should have told him that was possible.  Plus, his reasoning on Tet made no sense at all. 

He should have called for a change of strategy and tactics, not the end.  He should have said he didn&#039;t know what had happened in Tet or what it might mean.  He was a newscaster and he should have stuck to the news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ad: This is the last time I&#8217;ll say essentially the same thing&#8212;Cronkite was shortsighted and ignorant about the military, because those things can (and did) change.  And his knowledge of WWII should have told him that was possible.  Plus, his reasoning on Tet made no sense at all. </p>
<p>He should have called for a change of strategy and tactics, not the end.  He should have said he didn&#8217;t know what had happened in Tet or what it might mean.  He was a newscaster and he should have stuck to the news.</p>
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		<title>By: ad</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/19/cronkite-and-vietnam-part-ii/#comment-117245</link>
		<dc:creator>ad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Isn’t that why he went to Vietnam—to find out more?&lt;/i&gt;

And I&#039;m sure he found somethings out. In 1968. Before the changes Mr Sorley extolled.

And if I look at the testimony of observers who were in the war zone for several years, such as John Swain or Francois Bizot I have to conclude that they were a) anticommunist, b) in despair about the way the war was run.

So I can&#039;t see why Cronkite should not also have despaired about the way the war was run.

And a wise man who has concluded that victory is unlikely should cut his losses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Isn’t that why he went to Vietnam—to find out more?</i></p>
<p>And I&#8217;m sure he found somethings out. In 1968. Before the changes Mr Sorley extolled.</p>
<p>And if I look at the testimony of observers who were in the war zone for several years, such as John Swain or Francois Bizot I have to conclude that they were a) anticommunist, b) in despair about the way the war was run.</p>
<p>So I can&#8217;t see why Cronkite should not also have despaired about the way the war was run.</p>
<p>And a wise man who has concluded that victory is unlikely should cut his losses.</p>
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		<title>By: nyomythus</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/19/cronkite-and-vietnam-part-ii/#comment-117228</link>
		<dc:creator>nyomythus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Which is why Mexico defeated the US in the Mexican-American War 70 years earlier, and forced the US to take California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, and Utah off their hands so they could mow lawns there, which is where the big bucks are.&lt;/i&gt;

When U.N. food supplies go to North Korean the crates are burned with words something this effect, of &quot;A gift from the U.N.&quot;

The North Koreans accept this and tell their hostage population, &quot;Look, even America sends tributes to the dear leader&quot;

Prag, you&#039;re using logic in the same way, the only difference is you don&#039;t have a gun to our heads say, &quot;You&#039;ll believe it or else...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Which is why Mexico defeated the US in the Mexican-American War 70 years earlier, and forced the US to take California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, and Utah off their hands so they could mow lawns there, which is where the big bucks are.</i></p>
<p>When U.N. food supplies go to North Korean the crates are burned with words something this effect, of &#8220;A gift from the U.N.&#8221;</p>
<p>The North Koreans accept this and tell their hostage population, &#8220;Look, even America sends tributes to the dear leader&#8221;</p>
<p>Prag, you&#8217;re using logic in the same way, the only difference is you don&#8217;t have a gun to our heads say, &#8220;You&#8217;ll believe it or else&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/19/cronkite-and-vietnam-part-ii/#comment-117227</link>
		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off topic:

What to make of Obama&#039;s quote in his weekly radio address???

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/whoops_obama_forgets_who_controlled_congress_in_2007_and_2008/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic:</p>
<p>What to make of Obama&#8217;s quote in his weekly radio address???</p>
<p><a href="http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/whoops_obama_forgets_who_controlled_congress_in_2007_and_2008/" rel="nofollow">http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/whoops_obama_forgets_who_controlled_congress_in_2007_and_2008/</a></p>
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