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  1. Obama and Clinton have lost many middle of the road voters by siding with the socialist/communist regimes in L.A. Insisting that Zelaya was democratically elected and therefore can do anything he chooses regardless of the Honduran Constitution is just plain stupid. Everyone can see that the emperor has no clothes.

  2. Stark: I wish you were correct that “everyone can see” it. I’m afraid that most people have only a vague notion of what’s happening in Honduras, and think it was a “coup.”

  3. Thank you for staying with this story. American media’s misreporting of this story is unbelievable to me. I suspect it is intentional misreporting – at least in this way: American media intentionally does not look too closely, as they do not want to discover uncomfortable truth.

    Why is President Obama on the wrong side of Honduras struggle to maintain it’s democracy? Occam’s Razor (the principle, although maybe the commenter also) suggests that President Obama, stung by criticism that he waited too long to speak out against the Iranian Government, overreacted and spoke out rashly about Honduras. Once he had spoken out, a brittle President Obama has been reticent to admit mistake. A word from President Obama would legitimize the Honduran Government in international media. President Obama cares more for his public image than he does for Honduran democracy. The MSM is covering for President Obama, and does not want to learn facts which would force them to report President Obama’s blatant foreign policy mistake in supporting Zelaya; does not want to be forced to report President Obama’s ongoing disregard for Honduran democracy.

    There could be explanation for President Obama’s and MSM’s actions. Until such explanation is made public, my Occam’s Razor supposition must rule the day.

    You linked to Fausta. She has a podcast up with Hunter Smith, of the Honduras Abandoned blog, in which Smith reports outstanding information. Until recently, Hunter Smith served with the U.S. Military in either Iraq or Afghanistan. He had time off before beginning college classes in August. When Honduras happened, he bought a plane ticket and reserved a hotel room in Tegucigalpa for 2 weeks. He did reporting from Tegucigalpa which the American MSM easily could have done – and on a tiny budget – yet did not. It would not be costly to send reporters to Tegucigalpa.

    They discuss Smith’s visit with a member of the Honduras Supreme Court, Zelaya’s pre-entry of “poll” results into computers (before the “poll” ever occurred), Chavez(or someone’s) payment of 300 Lempura’s to each taxi driver who delivered a protester to pro-Zelaya rallies(Smith interviewed taxi drivers who admitted to receiving the payoffs), the atmosphere at the various pro-government and pro-Zelaya rallies, and much more.

  4. Neo,
    It’s good to see these criticisms of Obama’s behavior. As you wrote in your response to Stark, very few people follow anything political close enough to clearly understand what is happening, but every eye that is opened is a little more help on the way.

    Siding with our enemies, disarming the country (F-22), bankrupting our economy, everything he does is calculated to bring us down in the name of “fairness.”
    I never thought I would see this day.

  5. Here is what Fausta reported on Friday.

    “6:30PM
    Libertad Digital reports that the Honduran government found and seized from the president’s residence 45 computers that had the pre-programmed results for the referendum that Zelaya intended to carry about the day he was expelled from the country. (My translation: if you use it please credit me and link to this post)

    One of the prosecutors involved with the case showed the media voting results from table #345 at the Instituto Técnico Luis Bogré¡n, in Tegucigalpa, showing a total of 550 counted ballots, with 450 votes in favor of Zelaya’s proposal, 30 against, 20 blank and 30 null.

    The raid took place on the third floor of the building annex to the Ministry of the President, which had been leased to the ex-Minister of the Interior, Enrique Flores Lanza.

    Spain’s ABC is also reporting on the story.”

    This was originally reported in the Honduran press, which will be my next posting.

  6. gcotharn – I was mentally rejecting that possibility as I read, but you make a good point, and we have to consider your interpretation. I lean toward the idea that he is sympatico with Zelaya and reflexively leaped to defend him, but Obama has easily thrown people under the bus before to further his own needs. That he might reflexively speak out without thinking it through, because he felt under pressure for not speaking out previously might be as disquieting as the supporting-the-marxist explanation. If he is that quickly rattled about Honduras

  7. No way, N-N, that you resemble Cato. I have it on good authority (the scribe Tomus Lupus) that Cato looked positively DREADFUL in toe shoes.

  8. Ah, sweet words from my secret adopted blog big brother.

    I could be wrong, it’s just a supposition. But I do think it’s the Occam’s Razor supposition in this instance.

    Re: quickly rattled
    Totally. Huevos diminuto. Barack is completely, easily rattled – as is anyone who lacks a solid philosophical or theological foundation for their beliefs and actions.

    Re: marxist sympathy
    Certainly, Barack does have some amount of Marxist sympathy. To have full respect for democracy, and to fully dismiss Marxism, one must believe the human spirit wants to soar. Barack believes humans want to get what is theirs.

    I think this is why Barack cannot empathize with the Iranian people: Iranian trains, metaphorically, run on time. Whatever, Barack must wonder, are the Iranian people so upset about? Iranians have so many freedoms, why make such a fuss over self-determination? It doesn’t make sense to Barack. He doesn’t get that thing about the human spirit wanting to soar.

    And this is why I can fully see Barack emphasizing, to some extent, with Zelaya; and why I can see Barack wondering why the major fuss over Castro, Chavez, and Ortega, and friends. In Barack’s analysis, a minor fuss might be appropriate, but why do the neocons make such a major fuss? It doesn’t make sense to Barack. He doesn’t get that human spirit thing. He is a realist, dammit.

  9. empathizing.

    Having a bad linguistic day.

    I must fall back on this: a comment done imperfectly now is better than a comment done perfectly 10 minutes from now. It is true, isn’t it?! ? Sure hope so.

  10. Neo, he he. I saw that Yahoo news article also.

    I’ll never get back those minutes of my life…

  11. Here is an article from El Heraldo in Tegucigalpa on July 9: Requisan computadoras de Casa Presidencial Nearly two weeks ago, the Honduran press was reporting that computers were being inspected.

    Here is an article from La Tribuna in Tegucigalpa from July 16 on the results of the inspection of the computers.

    Europa Press in Spain/Catalonia picked it up, in addition to Libertad Digital and ABC Spain.

    It has been getting some circulation in the English-speaking blogosphere.When is the MSM in the US going to pick it up?

  12. while obama is supporting what would traditionally be the wrong side, he is not doing it completely. at least not yet. we still have american troops in the honduras, and so he has not withdrawn them (that i have heard). talks keep falling through cause the people will not have him back in any form inside the borders (as far as i can tell).

  13. ….Obama is a smooth-talking hypocrite who is attempting to sell the American public a socialist bill of goods, and who’s not above going the Chavez/Zelaya extra-constitutional route himself if he needs to.

    Oh, my…. That would go badly, I think. There are a lot of us out here who swore to uphold “The Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic”.

    I don’t think you can go “extra-constitutional” without becoming an enemy of The Constitution.

    “How many Armored Divisions does ACORN have?”

  14. “That’s what I see, and I feel the need to get the word out.”

    Thank-you, that’s why I follow your blog. Your posts, as well as the commenters, have been getting tougher, and better. It’s not all for naught you know, Obungler’s poll no’s are declining, keep up the great work!

  15. “… who’s not above going the Chavez/Zelaya extra-constitutional route himself if he needs to.”

    There’s an appropriate quote from F.A. Hayek’s “The Road to Serfdom”, which I have on my cubicle wall for all my liberal co-workers to see. It reads:

    “Just as the democratic statesman who sets out to plan economic life will soon be confronted with the alternative of either assuming dictatorial powers or abandoning his plans, so the totalitarian dictator would soon have to choose between disregard of ordinary morals and failure.”

    How far is Obama willing to go? More importantly, how far are we willing to let him go?

  16. Gray –
    bingo.
    I wonder if he realizes exactly how *many* folks remember that oath– then I think of that report classing vets as possible terrorists, and it really doesn’t help at all.

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