Comments on: Fisking the Obama “apology” http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/24/fisking-the-obama-apology/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:36:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Obloodyhell http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/24/fisking-the-obama-apology/#comment-118562 Obloodyhell Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:21:59 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/24/fisking-the-obama-apology/#comment-118562 > “I WILL resign tomorrow as president” If only we could get so lucky. Are you sure that would be lucky? Note who that would make PotUS in his place. Probably not worse, but probably not much better, either. I'm thinking more along the lines of simultaneous terrorist attacks that crash both Air Force One and Air Force Two into the Senate and the House, respectively, while they are in session. That seems like the only way we could get "lucky". > “I WILL resign tomorrow as president” If only we could get so lucky.

Are you sure that would be lucky? Note who that would make PotUS in his place. Probably not worse, but probably not much better, either.

I’m thinking more along the lines of simultaneous terrorist attacks that crash both Air Force One and Air Force Two into the Senate and the House, respectively, while they are in session.

That seems like the only way we could get “lucky”.

]]> By: Obloodyhell http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/24/fisking-the-obama-apology/#comment-118561 Obloodyhell Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:17:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/24/fisking-the-obama-apology/#comment-118561 . ========================================== Didn't we already have this discussion about weasel-worded Dems about 10 years ago with the "It depends on what you meant by 'No'" debate? ========================================== . .

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Didn’t we already have this discussion about weasel-worded Dems about 10 years ago with the “It depends on what you meant by ‘No’” debate?

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]]> By: Oblio http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/24/fisking-the-obama-apology/#comment-118482 Oblio Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:41:52 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/24/fisking-the-obama-apology/#comment-118482 Fair enough, OB. Pompous jargon, I'll grant you, but not without meaning. Fair enough, OB. Pompous jargon, I’ll grant you, but not without meaning.

]]> By: Occam's Beard http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/24/fisking-the-obama-apology/#comment-118463 Occam's Beard Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:20:36 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/24/fisking-the-obama-apology/#comment-118463 Oblio, I'm not saying Fish is wrong. I'm saying that he has restated a commonplace observation as a profound insight through restating it in an arcane, jargon-filled, and semi-grammatical fashion, e.g., <i>Studies have shown that at 298 K the lightest of the congeneric group 16 hydrides exhibits a Reynolds number of 3.341 X 10^5, at the measured viscosity of 8.98 X 10^-4 kg/m-s (and assuming Newtonian behavior), consistent with the observation of interaction at the molecular level with non-lipophilic substrates. </i> In other words, water is wet. Oblio, I’m not saying Fish is wrong. I’m saying that he has restated a commonplace observation as a profound insight through restating it in an arcane, jargon-filled, and semi-grammatical fashion, e.g.,

Studies have shown that at 298 K the lightest of the congeneric group 16 hydrides exhibits a Reynolds number of 3.341 X 10^5, at the measured viscosity of 8.98 X 10^-4 kg/m-s (and assuming Newtonian behavior), consistent with the observation of interaction at the molecular level with non-lipophilic substrates.

In other words, water is wet.

]]> By: Oblio http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/24/fisking-the-obama-apology/#comment-118349 Oblio Mon, 27 Jul 2009 02:55:12 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/24/fisking-the-obama-apology/#comment-118349 OB, Fish is at least partially right. In something more like English, he is saying the audience hears what it wants to hear. How else do you describe the OJ Verdict, the Gates Assumption, or Obamamania itself? Remember the insight about Palin-hatred: people repeat the lies to justify the hatred. They need those lies to justify their feelings. Like the Global Warming (oops, Climate Change) crowd needs Mann's temperature hockey stick to justify their policy preferences and utopian urges. How can you say that Fish is not right in describing how people behave? Neo's site is dedicated to the idea that minds change when somehow new facts and insights break up the community and tribal "official truth." OB, Fish is at least partially right. In something more like English, he is saying the audience hears what it wants to hear. How else do you describe the OJ Verdict, the Gates Assumption, or Obamamania itself?

Remember the insight about Palin-hatred: people repeat the lies to justify the hatred. They need those lies to justify their feelings. Like the Global Warming (oops, Climate Change) crowd needs Mann’s temperature hockey stick to justify their policy preferences and utopian urges.

How can you say that Fish is not right in describing how people behave?

Neo’s site is dedicated to the idea that minds change when somehow new facts and insights break up the community and tribal “official truth.”

]]> By: John F. MacMichael http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/24/fisking-the-obama-apology/#comment-118315 John F. MacMichael Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:57:45 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/24/fisking-the-obama-apology/#comment-118315 Beverly, above at 3:50 AM, thanks for the link to the Chris Rock video! A great example of "It's funny because it's true!" Beverly, above at 3:50 AM, thanks for the link to the Chris Rock video! A great example of “It’s funny because it’s true!”

]]> By: Richard Aubrey http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/24/fisking-the-obama-apology/#comment-118243 Richard Aubrey Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:31:49 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/24/fisking-the-obama-apology/#comment-118243 I did the civil rights bit in Mississippi in 67 and 68. And, yeah, the lines were pretty clear. Until I figured out that the "colored municipal pool" in Holly Springs was paid for mostly by white folks, the blacks not having enough to tax. Where I grew up, in a prosperous suburb of Detroit, we didn't have a pool at all. And the soft-serve, corn-dog stand across from campus was run by whites who were personable and friendly to blacks. And in 1987, the sheriff, Osborne Bell, a black, was killed in the line of duty and there's a plaque to his honor in the county building. You have to be somebody to get elected sheriff, so he was being somebody for some years prior to 1986, the latest he could have been elected. In Marshall County, MS. Strange. Still, nostalgia for good-guy, bad-guy clear lines and the self righteous feeling of being the former is powerful. None of that matters to Gates. He's more practical than that. Racism is his gig and it's been very, very good to him. Um. Gray, anyone? I did the civil rights bit in Mississippi in 67 and 68. And, yeah, the lines were pretty clear.
Until I figured out that the “colored municipal pool” in Holly Springs was paid for mostly by white folks, the blacks not having enough to tax. Where I grew up, in a prosperous suburb of Detroit, we didn’t have a pool at all.
And the soft-serve, corn-dog stand across from campus was run by whites who were personable and friendly to blacks.
And in 1987, the sheriff, Osborne Bell, a black, was killed in the line of duty and there’s a plaque to his honor in the county building. You have to be somebody to get elected sheriff, so he was being somebody for some years prior to 1986, the latest he could have been elected. In Marshall County, MS.
Strange.
Still, nostalgia for good-guy, bad-guy clear lines and the self righteous feeling of being the former is powerful.
None of that matters to Gates. He’s more practical than that. Racism is his gig and it’s been very, very good to him.
Um. Gray, anyone?

]]> By: huxley http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/24/fisking-the-obama-apology/#comment-118239 huxley Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:25:02 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/24/fisking-the-obama-apology/#comment-118239 JohnC: Thanks! Not to worry. I prefer Dylan's "Blowin' in the Wind"; I just don't feel nostalgic about it. The man is a genius. I listen to any song he's written, and love it or hate it or shrug it, it's a fresh experience, not an occasion for nostalgia. PPM? I still love 'em but they remain wedded to the timeline of my life. JohnC: Thanks!

Not to worry. I prefer Dylan’s “Blowin’ in the Wind”; I just don’t feel nostalgic about it.

The man is a genius. I listen to any song he’s written, and love it or hate it or shrug it, it’s a fresh experience, not an occasion for nostalgia.

PPM? I still love ‘em but they remain wedded to the timeline of my life.

]]> By: davidt http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/24/fisking-the-obama-apology/#comment-118233 davidt Sun, 26 Jul 2009 02:16:27 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/24/fisking-the-obama-apology/#comment-118233 "Opportunity" would be more appropriate than "dollar signs". “Opportunity” would be more appropriate than “dollar signs”.

]]> By: Oblio http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/24/fisking-the-obama-apology/#comment-118220 Oblio Sun, 26 Jul 2009 00:07:58 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/24/fisking-the-obama-apology/#comment-118220 Call it, nostalgia for the simplicity of easy moral posturing. Call it, nostalgia for the simplicity of easy moral posturing.

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