Comments on: Health care reform: I am sick and tired of… http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/04/health-care-reform-i-am-sick-and-tired-of/ Thu, 24 May 2012 19:22:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Michael http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/04/health-care-reform-i-am-sick-and-tired-of/#comment-120064 Michael Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:02:15 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/04/health-care-reform-i-am-sick-and-tired-of/#comment-120064 There! Laughing at Slobbering Frank is GOOD for my blood pressure. There! Laughing at Slobbering Frank is GOOD for my blood pressure.

]]> By: Michael http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/04/health-care-reform-i-am-sick-and-tired-of/#comment-120063 Michael Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:00:44 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/04/health-care-reform-i-am-sick-and-tired-of/#comment-120063 I may have misunderstood a comment. If I did, my apologies. Is there anyone who does not understand the link between "government option" and eventual monopoly? Barney Frank does. I do. (I can, however, control my oral secretions better than Congressman Frank.) The government option can undercut the pricing of any private insurance, using tactics that would be illegally anticompetitive, if they were used by a private business. The Left knows that. Sometimes they even let it slip. They are really angry right now that we have them saying so, on video tape. I may have misunderstood a comment. If I did, my apologies. Is there anyone who does not understand the link between “government option” and eventual monopoly? Barney Frank does. I do. (I can, however, control my oral secretions better than Congressman Frank.) The government option can undercut the pricing of any private insurance, using tactics that would be illegally anticompetitive, if they were used by a private business. The Left knows that. Sometimes they even let it slip. They are really angry right now that we have them saying so, on video tape.

]]> By: Michael http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/04/health-care-reform-i-am-sick-and-tired-of/#comment-120059 Michael Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:39:56 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/04/health-care-reform-i-am-sick-and-tired-of/#comment-120059 When you get to my age, it's pretty easy to see when someone doesn't know the subject matter under discussion. When Obama was delivering that patronizing "Red pill/Blue pill" load of rabbit pills, it was very clear to me that he was not just talking down to us, but also that the patronizing crap was not even his own, but a spiel he had been taught by rote. Red pill? Blue pill? Has the fellow never heard of insurance company formularies? Apparently not. As things now stand, if a drug is not on the formulary, you can get it, but pay a bigger share of the cost. Or, your doctor can call them up and yell at them, and, since they compete and don't want to make too many enemies, they'll often fold. When health care is a monopoly, those will be the fond tales we tell our grand children, but they won't believe. And, how 'bout them tonsillectomies? They have been declining almost every year since Neo and I were kids. Besides that, you family doctor is not the one who takes out the tonsils. That is referred to an otolaryngologist. There's plenty more to say, of course, about the end of medical progress, for example, but these really catch my attention as a nurse. So, the chief proponent does not even know these salient points, does not even know he sounds like an idiot, but he knows enough to plan for my needs as I age? This is not just an argument against socialized medicine. It is an argument by example of the case against socialism in general. Oy! This is bad for my blood pressure! When you get to my age, it’s pretty easy to see when someone doesn’t know the subject matter under discussion. When Obama was delivering that patronizing “Red pill/Blue pill” load of rabbit pills, it was very clear to me that he was not just talking down to us, but also that the patronizing crap was not even his own, but a spiel he had been taught by rote. Red pill? Blue pill? Has the fellow never heard of insurance company formularies? Apparently not. As things now stand, if a drug is not on the formulary, you can get it, but pay a bigger share of the cost. Or, your doctor can call them up and yell at them, and, since they compete and don’t want to make too many enemies, they’ll often fold. When health care is a monopoly, those will be the fond tales we tell our grand children, but they won’t believe.

And, how ’bout them tonsillectomies? They have been declining almost every year since Neo and I were kids. Besides that, you family doctor is not the one who takes out the tonsils. That is referred to an otolaryngologist.

There’s plenty more to say, of course, about the end of medical progress, for example, but these really catch my attention as a nurse.

So, the chief proponent does not even know these salient points, does not even know he sounds like an idiot, but he knows enough to plan for my needs as I age? This is not just an argument against socialized medicine. It is an argument by example of the case against socialism in general.

Oy! This is bad for my blood pressure!

]]> By: Thomass http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/04/health-care-reform-i-am-sick-and-tired-of/#comment-119995 Thomass Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:48:13 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/04/health-care-reform-i-am-sick-and-tired-of/#comment-119995 notherbob2 Says: "We have reached an Orwellian threshold when our government produces a video" Michael Moore was a little head of the curve on that. He would respond to factual criticisms in similar ways. Say they're wrong, produce some new 'facts' that 'disprove' the accusation and declare case closed (even though the new fact didn’t disprove the initial point). It was enough for his fans. We should have pushed back more back then to ridicule people who accepted that... Parts of the left are such sloppy thinkers they think just throwing an argument in the ring is enough to declare victory… regardless of how bad it is. notherbob2 Says:

“We have reached an Orwellian threshold when our government produces a video”

Michael Moore was a little head of the curve on that. He would respond to factual criticisms in similar ways. Say they’re wrong, produce some new ‘facts’ that ‘disprove’ the accusation and declare case closed (even though the new fact didn’t disprove the initial point). It was enough for his fans. We should have pushed back more back then to ridicule people who accepted that… Parts of the left are such sloppy thinkers they think just throwing an argument in the ring is enough to declare victory… regardless of how bad it is.

]]> By: Thomass http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/04/health-care-reform-i-am-sick-and-tired-of/#comment-119993 Thomass Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:44:33 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/04/health-care-reform-i-am-sick-and-tired-of/#comment-119993 neo-neocon Says: "You are repeating the sort of deceptive Democrat talking points I deride in my post. The choice is not Obamacare or the status quo." When I reported misleading heathcare arguments to the whitehouse I mentioned the linking of helping the unsured with having a government plan (designed to take the air out of private insurance and lead to single payer / government control). No such objective link exists, ergo saying there has to be is a lie. neo-neocon Says:

“You are repeating the sort of deceptive Democrat talking points I deride in my post. The choice is not Obamacare or the status quo.”

When I reported misleading heathcare arguments to the whitehouse I mentioned the linking of helping the unsured with having a government plan (designed to take the air out of private insurance and lead to single payer / government control). No such objective link exists, ergo saying there has to be is a lie.

]]> By: notherbob2 http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/04/health-care-reform-i-am-sick-and-tired-of/#comment-119968 notherbob2 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:30:18 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/04/health-care-reform-i-am-sick-and-tired-of/#comment-119968 We have reached an Orwellian threshold when our government produces a video (the Linda Douglas propaganda piece on youTube) that tell us not to believe our own lyin' eyes and ears (the youTube videos of past comments by President Obama) and to believe the poll-tested hooey she and the President now offer. The Republic is in real danger. We have reached an Orwellian threshold when our government produces a video (the Linda Douglas propaganda piece on youTube) that tell us not to believe our own lyin’ eyes and ears (the youTube videos of past comments by President Obama) and to believe the poll-tested hooey she and the President now offer.

The Republic is in real danger.

]]> By: Oldflyer http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/04/health-care-reform-i-am-sick-and-tired-of/#comment-119956 Oldflyer Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:05:58 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/04/health-care-reform-i-am-sick-and-tired-of/#comment-119956 Both of my daughters are medical professionals in California. One is the Director of Therapy at a large Rehab center owned and operated by a major urban county.. She has told me for years that the Medi-Cal patients (which are the bulk of the patient population) get more services than private insurance patients. The other daughter is the Nurse Coordinator for a cancer surgeon at a large University hospital. It is often a pain for her to deal with Medi-Cal and Medicare to get surgeries approved--but it is transparent to the patient and it gets done. Do most people want to be dependent on medicaid? Probably not. But if they are, they do get health care. Do most people want to be subject to a government mandate health program with no choice? Hell no. Part of the problem is that this debate is often myth vs reality. Both of my daughters are medical professionals in California. One is the Director of Therapy at a large Rehab center owned and operated by a major urban county.. She has told me for years that the Medi-Cal patients (which are the bulk of the patient population) get more services than private insurance patients.

The other daughter is the Nurse Coordinator for a cancer surgeon at a large University hospital. It is often a pain for her to deal with Medi-Cal and Medicare to get surgeries approved–but it is transparent to the patient and it gets done.

Do most people want to be dependent on medicaid? Probably not. But if they are, they do get health care. Do most people want to be subject to a government mandate health program with no choice? Hell no.

Part of the problem is that this debate is often myth vs reality.

]]> By: neo-neocon http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/04/health-care-reform-i-am-sick-and-tired-of/#comment-119937 neo-neocon Wed, 05 Aug 2009 05:10:37 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/04/health-care-reform-i-am-sick-and-tired-of/#comment-119937 logern: if you read <a href="http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/04/health-care-reform-i-am-sick-and-tired-of/" rel="nofollow">today's post of mine</a>, or paid any attention at all to some of the Republican proposals for health care reform, you'd see that there are ways other than Obamacare to handle problems such as health insurance being tied to employment. I'm in favor of decoupling health care insurance from employment, but I am most decidedly not in favor of the Obamacare way to do it. You are repeating the sort of deceptive Democrat talking points I deride in <a href="http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/04/health-care-reform-i-am-sick-and-tired-of/" rel="nofollow">my post</a>. The choice is not Obamacare or the status quo. logern: if you read today’s post of mine, or paid any attention at all to some of the Republican proposals for health care reform, you’d see that there are ways other than Obamacare to handle problems such as health insurance being tied to employment. I’m in favor of decoupling health care insurance from employment, but I am most decidedly not in favor of the Obamacare way to do it.

You are repeating the sort of deceptive Democrat talking points I deride in my post. The choice is not Obamacare or the status quo.

]]> By: Baklava http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/04/health-care-reform-i-am-sick-and-tired-of/#comment-119929 Baklava Wed, 05 Aug 2009 04:03:42 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/04/health-care-reform-i-am-sick-and-tired-of/#comment-119929 logern, nobody is saying there is no access or cost issues. The Democrat/logern/leftist/∅bama plan would exacerbate cost and access issues..... We say no to your/∅bama's plan. :) logern,

nobody is saying there is no access or cost issues.

The Democrat/logern/leftist/∅bama plan would exacerbate cost and access issues…..

We say no to your/∅bama’s plan. :)

]]> By: logern http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/04/health-care-reform-i-am-sick-and-tired-of/#comment-119925 logern Wed, 05 Aug 2009 03:53:47 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/04/health-care-reform-i-am-sick-and-tired-of/#comment-119925 importune --(sigh) importune –(sigh)

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