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		<title>By: Foxfier</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/13/and-about-those-death-panels/#comment-121228</link>
		<dc:creator>Foxfier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 04:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asking medical professionals to make sure their customers know about the * existence* of advanced care directives, and what they can do, and asking *legal* professionals to volunteer to write them for folks is a far cry from paying doctors to write them for folks who are old or have had a change in medical condition, with the information offered regulated by the same source that is trying to cut costs.

Version one: &quot;this is a useful tool.  These lawyers can help you make one.&quot;
Version two: &quot;You&#039;re not well.  I, as your doctor, will tell you about ways you can save the government money!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asking medical professionals to make sure their customers know about the * existence* of advanced care directives, and what they can do, and asking *legal* professionals to volunteer to write them for folks is a far cry from paying doctors to write them for folks who are old or have had a change in medical condition, with the information offered regulated by the same source that is trying to cut costs.</p>
<p>Version one: &#8220;this is a useful tool.  These lawyers can help you make one.&#8221;<br />
Version two: &#8220;You&#8217;re not well.  I, as your doctor, will tell you about ways you can save the government money!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Vieux Charles</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/13/and-about-those-death-panels/#comment-121223</link>
		<dc:creator>Vieux Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 03:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Think Progress article I mentioned can be found here:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/13/palin-deathpanel-flipflop/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;For ‘Death Panels’ Before She Was Against Them? Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Think Progress article I mentioned can be found here:</p>
<p><a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/13/palin-deathpanel-flipflop/" rel="nofollow">For ‘Death Panels’ Before She Was Against Them? Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor</a></p>
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		<title>By: Vieux Charles</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/13/and-about-those-death-panels/#comment-121222</link>
		<dc:creator>Vieux Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 03:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today ThinkProgress is reporting that Palin was &lt;a&gt;For ‘Death Panels’ Before She Was Against Them? Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor&lt;/a&gt; 

In their article they state, &quot;Palin urged public facilities to provide better information about advance directives, and made it clear that it is critical for seniors to be informed of such options&quot;.

This is a far cry from what the House Bill drafted in Section 1233. Palin isn&#039;t against living wills. She&#039;s against the government paid consultants (sometimes the physicians themselves) stepping in with guidance that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/07/AR2009080703043.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;addresses compassionate goals in disconcerting proximity to fiscal ones&quot;&lt;/a&gt;.
 
She&#039;s not the only one. Consider the comments of Democratic New York State Senator Ruben Diaz:
&quot;Section 1233 of House Resolution 3200 puts our senior citizens on a slippery slope and may diminish respect for the inherent dignity of each of their lives.... It is egregious to consider that any senior citizen ... should be placed in a situation where he or she would feel pressured to save the government money by dying a little sooner than he or she otherwise would, be required to be counseled about the supposed benefits of killing oneself, or be encouraged to sign any end of life directives that they would not otherwise sign.&quot;
 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090813/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_end_of_life_2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Which is why the Senate is excluding such a provision from their bill.&lt;/a&gt;
 
It&#039;s obvious that Palin not only has some background on this, but she did her research. She also has support of people with differing political viewpoints.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today ThinkProgress is reporting that Palin was <a>For ‘Death Panels’ Before She Was Against Them? Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor</a> </p>
<p>In their article they state, &#8220;Palin urged public facilities to provide better information about advance directives, and made it clear that it is critical for seniors to be informed of such options&#8221;.</p>
<p>This is a far cry from what the House Bill drafted in Section 1233. Palin isn&#8217;t against living wills. She&#8217;s against the government paid consultants (sometimes the physicians themselves) stepping in with guidance that <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/07/AR2009080703043.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;addresses compassionate goals in disconcerting proximity to fiscal ones&#8221;</a>.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s not the only one. Consider the comments of Democratic New York State Senator Ruben Diaz:<br />
&#8220;Section 1233 of House Resolution 3200 puts our senior citizens on a slippery slope and may diminish respect for the inherent dignity of each of their lives&#8230;. It is egregious to consider that any senior citizen &#8230; should be placed in a situation where he or she would feel pressured to save the government money by dying a little sooner than he or she otherwise would, be required to be counseled about the supposed benefits of killing oneself, or be encouraged to sign any end of life directives that they would not otherwise sign.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090813/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_end_of_life_2" rel="nofollow">Which is why the Senate is excluding such a provision from their bill.</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s obvious that Palin not only has some background on this, but she did her research. She also has support of people with differing political viewpoints.</p>
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		<title>By: zfredz</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/13/and-about-those-death-panels/#comment-121134</link>
		<dc:creator>zfredz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darrell&#039;s comment recalls a P. J. O&#039;Rourke line of a few years back, &quot;If you think health care is expensive now, wait till it&#039;s free.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darrell&#8217;s comment recalls a P. J. O&#8217;Rourke line of a few years back, &#8220;If you think health care is expensive now, wait till it&#8217;s free.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: zfredz</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/13/and-about-those-death-panels/#comment-121118</link>
		<dc:creator>zfredz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With inevitable health care rationing under Obamacare, how about, &quot;The Rest-In-Peace-Corps&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With inevitable health care rationing under Obamacare, how about, &#8220;The Rest-In-Peace-Corps&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: camojack</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/13/and-about-those-death-panels/#comment-121115</link>
		<dc:creator>camojack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what Willie Shakespeare would say. I mean, after all, what&#039;s in a name? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what Willie Shakespeare would say. I mean, after all, what&#8217;s in a name? <img src='http://neoneocon.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Darrell</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/13/and-about-those-death-panels/#comment-121107</link>
		<dc:creator>Darrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 05:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everybody loves free stuff!! I saw this guy on TV talking about how in Spain, &quot;health care is perfect and doesn&#039;t cost anyone a dime!&quot; Idiots...everyone will pay and pay and pay....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody loves free stuff!! I saw this guy on TV talking about how in Spain, &#8220;health care is perfect and doesn&#8217;t cost anyone a dime!&#8221; Idiots&#8230;everyone will pay and pay and pay&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeLL</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/13/and-about-those-death-panels/#comment-121100</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeLL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In that case I actually agree with them.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes.  I agree with them too.  I think it is amazing that the current Democrat leadership is so inept that they have managed to anger the right, the center, and the left all at the same time.

There was a very revealing comment too on the thread I was reading:

&lt;i&gt;ima_sinnic  Sun Aug-09-09 02:09 PM  if it&#039;s going to FORCE me to buy &quot;health&quot; insurance, I too want it to die&lt;/i&gt;

I find that comment amazing.  So he is ok if someone else pays for his health care.  Not ok if he has to pay for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In that case I actually agree with them.</i></p>
<p>Yes.  I agree with them too.  I think it is amazing that the current Democrat leadership is so inept that they have managed to anger the right, the center, and the left all at the same time.</p>
<p>There was a very revealing comment too on the thread I was reading:</p>
<p><i>ima_sinnic  Sun Aug-09-09 02:09 PM  if it&#8217;s going to FORCE me to buy &#8220;health&#8221; insurance, I too want it to die</i></p>
<p>I find that comment amazing.  So he is ok if someone else pays for his health care.  Not ok if he has to pay for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomass</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/13/and-about-those-death-panels/#comment-121098</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vieux Charles Says: 

&quot;Palin is no idiot. We’ve got these guys on the run, and it’s partly because she’s doing what she does.&quot;

There is a certain genius to her. The left will fire back about how she is an idiot instead of dealing with the argument... while the argument continues to get out there since a lot of people do listen to her. Now with the Obama quotes recirculating about the need to reevaluate end of life care... ahem... she&#039;s winning the debate while the left just keeps screaming about her being an idiot...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vieux Charles Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;Palin is no idiot. We’ve got these guys on the run, and it’s partly because she’s doing what she does.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is a certain genius to her. The left will fire back about how she is an idiot instead of dealing with the argument&#8230; while the argument continues to get out there since a lot of people do listen to her. Now with the Obama quotes recirculating about the need to reevaluate end of life care&#8230; ahem&#8230; she&#8217;s winning the debate while the left just keeps screaming about her being an idiot&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Thomass</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/08/13/and-about-those-death-panels/#comment-121097</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same ol same old. One of Obama&#039;s games is to switch into legal / literal mode when it suits him.

Are death panels in the bill? No
Is single payer? No

Ergo, your nuts for saying such things might be on the way via it.

Ignoring that the way the bill works in the real world could easily result in one or both... which he well knows... He&#039;s touted support for both in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same ol same old. One of Obama&#8217;s games is to switch into legal / literal mode when it suits him.</p>
<p>Are death panels in the bill? No<br />
Is single payer? No</p>
<p>Ergo, your nuts for saying such things might be on the way via it.</p>
<p>Ignoring that the way the bill works in the real world could easily result in one or both&#8230; which he well knows&#8230; He&#8217;s touted support for both in the past.</p>
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