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		<title>By: butch</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/09/09/obamas-speech-on-health-care/#comment-126063</link>
		<dc:creator>butch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of you people says he is lieing about the things he says !Were is your proof ? Prove it or shut up !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of you people says he is lieing about the things he says !Were is your proof ? Prove it or shut up !</p>
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		<title>By: Oblio</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/09/09/obamas-speech-on-health-care/#comment-124852</link>
		<dc:creator>Oblio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scottie, you are right, but make no mistake, they are coming after you and your culture.  You might think you have been stigmatized enough; just wait.  What are you going to do about it?  Are you going to lie low?  Or are you going to take the mental fight to the enemy?

I wish I could laugh about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scottie, you are right, but make no mistake, they are coming after you and your culture.  You might think you have been stigmatized enough; just wait.  What are you going to do about it?  Are you going to lie low?  Or are you going to take the mental fight to the enemy?</p>
<p>I wish I could laugh about it.</p>
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		<title>By: gcotharn</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/09/09/obamas-speech-on-health-care/#comment-124834</link>
		<dc:creator>gcotharn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 05:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scottie,

LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scottie,</p>
<p>LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/09/09/obamas-speech-on-health-care/#comment-124825</link>
		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 03:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom with laziness wrote, &quot;&lt;em&gt;As for knowledge, Baklava, I speak from 17 years of benefiting from the medical systems in France and Germany. John Stossel is just an opinion columnist&lt;/em&gt;&quot;

Isn&#039;t that what a leftist discussion usually is...

Never address the point made. Just attack the messenger.

Not only are you without knowledge and power. But you are lazy. Therefore you have zero respect from me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom with laziness wrote, &#8220;<em>As for knowledge, Baklava, I speak from 17 years of benefiting from the medical systems in France and Germany. John Stossel is just an opinion columnist</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that what a leftist discussion usually is&#8230;</p>
<p>Never address the point made. Just attack the messenger.</p>
<p>Not only are you without knowledge and power. But you are lazy. Therefore you have zero respect from me.</p>
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		<title>By: Scottie</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/09/09/obamas-speech-on-health-care/#comment-124802</link>
		<dc:creator>Scottie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 01:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gcotharn,

&quot;.....there’s an equal group of folks who believe it’s ONLY grounded in race.&quot;

As a Southern white male, I have to agree with this statement.

Sad, but it&#039;s true.

Of course, the folks who believe it&#039;s all about race are likewise The Won&#039;s firmest supporters!

So yes, it&#039;s about race - but not in the fashion they&#039;d like to stereotype it as!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gcotharn,</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;..there’s an equal group of folks who believe it’s ONLY grounded in race.&#8221;</p>
<p>As a Southern white male, I have to agree with this statement.</p>
<p>Sad, but it&#8217;s true.</p>
<p>Of course, the folks who believe it&#8217;s all about race are likewise The Won&#8217;s firmest supporters!</p>
<p>So yes, it&#8217;s about race &#8211; but not in the fashion they&#8217;d like to stereotype it as!</p>
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		<title>By: gcotharn</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/09/09/obamas-speech-on-health-care/#comment-124775</link>
		<dc:creator>gcotharn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And THERE it is:  the official beginning of a speculation/whispering campaign/allegation that Southerners oppose Barack and Obamacare b/c Southerners are racist.

I&#039;ve been waiting for it and waiting for it: it was inevitable.  It appears, today, in MSNBC&#039;s First Thoughts Blog, whose authorship is credited thusly: &lt;i&gt;&quot;From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Ali Weinberg&quot;.&lt;/i&gt;  This is the unstated, uncoordinated, yet widely understood goal: the &quot;Southerners are racists&quot; campaign will be whispered and speculated over weeks and months, gradually building steam - a la &quot;Clarence Thomas harassed Anita Hill&quot; and &quot;Bush lied, people died&quot; -  until, eventually, it will become stone cold acknowledged history that Obamacare failed b/c Southerners were racists.  That this will happen, I&#039;ve zero doubt.  My grandchildren will be taught this in high school history.  The opening salvo, from today&#039;s &quot;First Thoughts&quot; blog: &lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The Elephant In The Room: At what point do what a bunch of folks in D.C. believe privately become more public -- that there is a dramatic divide between how people in the South view Obama versus the rest of the country? Sure, the South has always been more conservative and has been increasingly more Republican, so it shouldn&#039;t be a surprise this region is less open to a Democratic president&#039;s ideas; it&#039;s no different than folks in New York City and San Francisco not being open to a Republican president&#039;s proposals. But is it really the “D” next to Obama’s name that has folks upset in the South? Yes, there was a &quot;coastal&quot; divide when it came to George W. Bush, and the election results of 2004, 2006, and 2008 proved that. But is it ALL just ideological? It&#039;s truly subjective... As defiant as some on the right are about the fact that this has nothing to do with race, there’s an equal group of folks who believe it&#039;s ONLY grounded in race. Bottom line: Whether it&#039;s fair or not, there is a perception growing that race is driving some elements of the opposition to Obama. It probably means this tumult will only grow for the time being.&lt;/blockquote&gt;And so it begins for real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And THERE it is:  the official beginning of a speculation/whispering campaign/allegation that Southerners oppose Barack and Obamacare b/c Southerners are racist.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been waiting for it and waiting for it: it was inevitable.  It appears, today, in MSNBC&#8217;s First Thoughts Blog, whose authorship is credited thusly: <i>&#8220;From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Ali Weinberg&#8221;.</i>  This is the unstated, uncoordinated, yet widely understood goal: the &#8220;Southerners are racists&#8221; campaign will be whispered and speculated over weeks and months, gradually building steam &#8211; a la &#8220;Clarence Thomas harassed Anita Hill&#8221; and &#8220;Bush lied, people died&#8221; &#8211;  until, eventually, it will become stone cold acknowledged history that Obamacare failed b/c Southerners were racists.  That this will happen, I&#8217;ve zero doubt.  My grandchildren will be taught this in high school history.  The opening salvo, from today&#8217;s &#8220;First Thoughts&#8221; blog:<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;The Elephant In The Room: At what point do what a bunch of folks in D.C. believe privately become more public &#8212; that there is a dramatic divide between how people in the South view Obama versus the rest of the country? Sure, the South has always been more conservative and has been increasingly more Republican, so it shouldn&#8217;t be a surprise this region is less open to a Democratic president&#8217;s ideas; it&#8217;s no different than folks in New York City and San Francisco not being open to a Republican president&#8217;s proposals. But is it really the “D” next to Obama’s name that has folks upset in the South? Yes, there was a &#8220;coastal&#8221; divide when it came to George W. Bush, and the election results of 2004, 2006, and 2008 proved that. But is it ALL just ideological? It&#8217;s truly subjective&#8230; As defiant as some on the right are about the fact that this has nothing to do with race, there’s an equal group of folks who believe it&#8217;s ONLY grounded in race. Bottom line: Whether it&#8217;s fair or not, there is a perception growing that race is driving some elements of the opposition to Obama. It probably means this tumult will only grow for the time being.</p></blockquote>
<p>And so it begins for real.</p>
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		<title>By: Hong</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/09/09/obamas-speech-on-health-care/#comment-124726</link>
		<dc:creator>Hong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom clearly doesn&#039;t have much stomach to read the debunkings or else he&#039;d see little of merit in France&#039;s healthcare or that of any socialized system. Folks, this is the level of opposition we are dealing with. People unable to grapple with the unpleasantness of reality to embrace delusion of bliss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom clearly doesn&#8217;t have much stomach to read the debunkings or else he&#8217;d see little of merit in France&#8217;s healthcare or that of any socialized system. Folks, this is the level of opposition we are dealing with. People unable to grapple with the unpleasantness of reality to embrace delusion of bliss.</p>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Artfldgr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tatyana,people who dont actually do the dirty work of the thievery have many ways to rationalize why largess that falls from the sky as payment for their complicity, help, and silence, should be theirs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tatyana,people who dont actually do the dirty work of the thievery have many ways to rationalize why largess that falls from the sky as payment for their complicity, help, and silence, should be theirs.</p>
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		<title>By: Tatyana</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/09/09/obamas-speech-on-health-care/#comment-124712</link>
		<dc:creator>Tatyana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Tom, you &lt;i&gt;think&lt;/i&gt; it is easily understood, but you&#039;re the one who doesn&#039;t understand. I was not talking about $40 copayment. 
&quot;Insurance pays&quot; you said - but you and others like you don&#039;t pay to insurance.  
It&#039;s the whole country, who pays taxes, a portion of which (btw, are you aware even which portion? how much your wonderful healthcare cost?) go to pay for universal health coverage.
You see? people who earn more money pay more taxes - and they pay for their and for your medical bills. Not &quot;insurance&#039;, not some uncertain &quot;state&quot; - they pay. You live because somebody was robbed to pay for your health. Aren&#039;t you ashamed to be a thief?

I thought it is impossible to explain better than Scottie did - but you managed to pass it through and don&#039;t understand a thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Tom, you <i>think</i> it is easily understood, but you&#8217;re the one who doesn&#8217;t understand. I was not talking about $40 copayment.<br />
&#8220;Insurance pays&#8221; you said &#8211; but you and others like you don&#8217;t pay to insurance.<br />
It&#8217;s the whole country, who pays taxes, a portion of which (btw, are you aware even which portion? how much your wonderful healthcare cost?) go to pay for universal health coverage.<br />
You see? people who earn more money pay more taxes &#8211; and they pay for their and for your medical bills. Not &#8220;insurance&#8217;, not some uncertain &#8220;state&#8221; &#8211; they pay. You live because somebody was robbed to pay for your health. Aren&#8217;t you ashamed to be a thief?</p>
<p>I thought it is impossible to explain better than Scottie did &#8211; but you managed to pass it through and don&#8217;t understand a thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Scottie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scottie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the morality issue....

Up to this point I&#039;ve hesitated to include any personal notes on the discussion.

However, since Tom Lansford has begun relating personal anecdotes, I&#039;ll offer my own.

Last year, after many decades of heavy smoking, my father-in-law had quadruple bypass surgery.

Of course, he spent those same decades working his a$$ off.

He has been self employed for at least 20 years, and one of his businesses at one point required him to be up by about 4:00 or 5:00 AM, and he didn&#039;t get home until around 5:00 or 6:00 PM, 6 days a week, for years.

Do I even need mention the amount in taxes he paid over those years as a small business owner?

My brother-in-law, born with Down Syndrome, had to have open heart surgery before he was even a year old.

Now over two decades later, he&#039;s one of the brightest, most positive people you will ever meet - and has a chest scar that would make a US Marine cringe.

My father-in-law once explained that he could not get insurance on either my mother-in-law or his son after he was born.

He had to make regular payments for the surgery that was performed, and it took years to pay it off.

He paid it off without government help - he&#039;s kind of stubborn that way - and he never declared bankruptcy in the process, either.

He had a debt and he took care of it.

This year, as if that wasn&#039;t enough, my father-in-law is now undergoing treatments for prostate cancer, and shortly after he was diagnosed his brother was likewise diagnosed with a different kind of cancer!

He is quite aware of how insurance works.

He is also quite aware of what&#039;s being discussed in Congress at the moment - and he&#039;s adamently opposed to the plans being floated about.

He knows deep down, he - or someone like him - would probably end up being a cost cutting measure at some point for a government bureaucrat facing a departmental budget shortfall and under strict orders not to increase the deficit.

He is likewise concerned that his son would also have been placed into the same catagory at birth.

I have had many political arguments over the years with my father-in-law.

He&#039;s an old school democrat, and I&#039;m a Reagan Democrat, but I admit even I was surprised at how fierce he reacted to the subject when it came up on the news one evening while we were visiting.

As I noted before, morality is strictly based upon personal perspective - and nobody is in a position to lecture me - or my father-in-law - on that subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the morality issue&#8230;.</p>
<p>Up to this point I&#8217;ve hesitated to include any personal notes on the discussion.</p>
<p>However, since Tom Lansford has begun relating personal anecdotes, I&#8217;ll offer my own.</p>
<p>Last year, after many decades of heavy smoking, my father-in-law had quadruple bypass surgery.</p>
<p>Of course, he spent those same decades working his a$$ off.</p>
<p>He has been self employed for at least 20 years, and one of his businesses at one point required him to be up by about 4:00 or 5:00 AM, and he didn&#8217;t get home until around 5:00 or 6:00 PM, 6 days a week, for years.</p>
<p>Do I even need mention the amount in taxes he paid over those years as a small business owner?</p>
<p>My brother-in-law, born with Down Syndrome, had to have open heart surgery before he was even a year old.</p>
<p>Now over two decades later, he&#8217;s one of the brightest, most positive people you will ever meet &#8211; and has a chest scar that would make a US Marine cringe.</p>
<p>My father-in-law once explained that he could not get insurance on either my mother-in-law or his son after he was born.</p>
<p>He had to make regular payments for the surgery that was performed, and it took years to pay it off.</p>
<p>He paid it off without government help &#8211; he&#8217;s kind of stubborn that way &#8211; and he never declared bankruptcy in the process, either.</p>
<p>He had a debt and he took care of it.</p>
<p>This year, as if that wasn&#8217;t enough, my father-in-law is now undergoing treatments for prostate cancer, and shortly after he was diagnosed his brother was likewise diagnosed with a different kind of cancer!</p>
<p>He is quite aware of how insurance works.</p>
<p>He is also quite aware of what&#8217;s being discussed in Congress at the moment &#8211; and he&#8217;s adamently opposed to the plans being floated about.</p>
<p>He knows deep down, he &#8211; or someone like him &#8211; would probably end up being a cost cutting measure at some point for a government bureaucrat facing a departmental budget shortfall and under strict orders not to increase the deficit.</p>
<p>He is likewise concerned that his son would also have been placed into the same catagory at birth.</p>
<p>I have had many political arguments over the years with my father-in-law.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s an old school democrat, and I&#8217;m a Reagan Democrat, but I admit even I was surprised at how fierce he reacted to the subject when it came up on the news one evening while we were visiting.</p>
<p>As I noted before, morality is strictly based upon personal perspective &#8211; and nobody is in a position to lecture me &#8211; or my father-in-law &#8211; on that subject.</p>
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