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		<title>By: Zardoz</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/09/16/succinct-summary-of-the-change-process/#comment-141416</link>
		<dc:creator>Zardoz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I discovered this website and was interested to learn about your &quot;conversion&quot; experience.   I know there is the Churchill quote young people who are not liberal have no heart and old people who are not conservatives have no brain ( I&#039;m paraphrasing) but in your case, admittedly knowing little about your earlier Liberalism, the conversion seems different, it is more specific, more total, more ideological.  Is there not one aspect of the human experience that Liberals might not have a valid perspective on, are they fundamentally deluded.  35% 0f America? I should reveal at this point that my most cherished beliefs are those of Liberalism but I think that must mean something very different to me than to you.   I associated it with fairness, tolerance, protection of minority rights and most importantly respect for the individual in society.  Your talking about democratic socialism, which I have no problem with as long as it is freely chosen by democratic means. I drive on roads, go to public schools, and pay into social security.  The extent of the public v. private control over the sectors of the economy I think is fair for public debate.  As a contrarian I have given loads of pushback to professors, and people I&#039;ve met on the left who I thought were wrong, naive, or with whom I&#039;ve just disagreed with.  I have never been treated disrespectfully, I have persuaded a few to admit the more moderate perspective or see the other side but this angry left exists mostly in the diatribes of a small percentage of so called intellectuals and the conservative media personalities that use them as strawmen.  I side with Democrats more than Repbulicans mostly because of what I see coming out of the Republican Party and the conservative media.  Anger, and mischaracterization.  I vote against Republicans. Unfortunately most Democratic politician and all politicians for that matter are careerist and play a game that makes them easy to ridicule.  Conservatives are concrete thinkers, we need concrete thinkers but the world does not always conform to our narratives.  We are facing a new series of threats in the form of anti-modern forces reacting to globalization, and Anti Liberal forces in states like Russia, and China.  foremost among them being radical Islam.  We need supple thinkers who use their intelligence to meet these needs and we need to find a new unity in the West and Globally in which we can disagree without tearing each other down.  I&#039;m not sure your blog does that.  You are very prolific and you know alot but are Liberals really the great enemy?  Does the amount of Carbon in the atmosphere care about political affiliations or does the deluded fanatic.  Is Obama to blame for everything.  Look at the comment threads to your post and give yourself an honest evaluation of you impact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I discovered this website and was interested to learn about your &#8220;conversion&#8221; experience.   I know there is the Churchill quote young people who are not liberal have no heart and old people who are not conservatives have no brain ( I&#8217;m paraphrasing) but in your case, admittedly knowing little about your earlier Liberalism, the conversion seems different, it is more specific, more total, more ideological.  Is there not one aspect of the human experience that Liberals might not have a valid perspective on, are they fundamentally deluded.  35% 0f America? I should reveal at this point that my most cherished beliefs are those of Liberalism but I think that must mean something very different to me than to you.   I associated it with fairness, tolerance, protection of minority rights and most importantly respect for the individual in society.  Your talking about democratic socialism, which I have no problem with as long as it is freely chosen by democratic means. I drive on roads, go to public schools, and pay into social security.  The extent of the public v. private control over the sectors of the economy I think is fair for public debate.  As a contrarian I have given loads of pushback to professors, and people I&#8217;ve met on the left who I thought were wrong, naive, or with whom I&#8217;ve just disagreed with.  I have never been treated disrespectfully, I have persuaded a few to admit the more moderate perspective or see the other side but this angry left exists mostly in the diatribes of a small percentage of so called intellectuals and the conservative media personalities that use them as strawmen.  I side with Democrats more than Repbulicans mostly because of what I see coming out of the Republican Party and the conservative media.  Anger, and mischaracterization.  I vote against Republicans. Unfortunately most Democratic politician and all politicians for that matter are careerist and play a game that makes them easy to ridicule.  Conservatives are concrete thinkers, we need concrete thinkers but the world does not always conform to our narratives.  We are facing a new series of threats in the form of anti-modern forces reacting to globalization, and Anti Liberal forces in states like Russia, and China.  foremost among them being radical Islam.  We need supple thinkers who use their intelligence to meet these needs and we need to find a new unity in the West and Globally in which we can disagree without tearing each other down.  I&#8217;m not sure your blog does that.  You are very prolific and you know alot but are Liberals really the great enemy?  Does the amount of Carbon in the atmosphere care about political affiliations or does the deluded fanatic.  Is Obama to blame for everything.  Look at the comment threads to your post and give yourself an honest evaluation of you impact.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/09/16/succinct-summary-of-the-change-process/#comment-126137</link>
		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 04:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Gray: great story about you and your class. I applaud your courage. It takes quite a bit to stand up to a whole group like that, especially when a child.&lt;/i&gt;

Thank you very much.  Sometimes I think:  &quot;I can&#039;t believe I did that&quot;.  It puts pressure on me not to let down my 13yo former self (and I haven&#039;t!)

The postscript is that my dad was very, very proud of me.  (Dad was a &quot;Changer&quot;:  Lifelong Democrat until Jimmy Carter.)

Never forget:  &quot;The monsters are the monsters.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Gray: great story about you and your class. I applaud your courage. It takes quite a bit to stand up to a whole group like that, especially when a child.</i></p>
<p>Thank you very much.  Sometimes I think:  &#8220;I can&#8217;t believe I did that&#8221;.  It puts pressure on me not to let down my 13yo former self (and I haven&#8217;t!)</p>
<p>The postscript is that my dad was very, very proud of me.  (Dad was a &#8220;Changer&#8221;:  Lifelong Democrat until Jimmy Carter.)</p>
<p>Never forget:  &#8220;The monsters are the monsters.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/09/16/succinct-summary-of-the-change-process/#comment-125907</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The monsters are the monsters&lt;/i&gt; is way too good to lose track of. Bloggers, to your keyboards!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The monsters are the monsters</i> is way too good to lose track of. Bloggers, to your keyboards!</p>
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		<title>By: neo-neocon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/09/16/succinct-summary-of-the-change-process/#comment-125898</link>
		<dc:creator>neo-neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gray: great story about you and your class.  I applaud your courage.  It takes quite a bit to stand up to a whole group like that, especially when a child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gray: great story about you and your class.  I applaud your courage.  It takes quite a bit to stand up to a whole group like that, especially when a child.</p>
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		<title>By: Nolanimrod</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/09/16/succinct-summary-of-the-change-process/#comment-125889</link>
		<dc:creator>Nolanimrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is off topic, but I just read a post from Dr. Sanity that says if this health care bill passes in anything like its present form she&#039;ll quit.

You&#039;re in the therapy biz.  Do you have ideas about what it will mean for you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is off topic, but I just read a post from Dr. Sanity that says if this health care bill passes in anything like its present form she&#8217;ll quit.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re in the therapy biz.  Do you have ideas about what it will mean for you?</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/09/16/succinct-summary-of-the-change-process/#comment-125888</link>
		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Peace-loving liberals make excuses for violent people around the world, trying to convince us that thuggish dictators, Islamists, and criminals would all be just fine if we hadn’t exploited/insulted/oppressed them so much. &lt;/i&gt;

Precisely.  That&#039;s what happened in my class; the teacher and students were appologists for the real monsters while excoriating the actions of the victims.

I&#039;d like to time travel back and kick Rod Serling right in his pinko ass for causing me so much trouble in my 8th grade life.

The monsters are the monsters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Peace-loving liberals make excuses for violent people around the world, trying to convince us that thuggish dictators, Islamists, and criminals would all be just fine if we hadn’t exploited/insulted/oppressed them so much. </i></p>
<p>Precisely.  That&#8217;s what happened in my class; the teacher and students were appologists for the real monsters while excoriating the actions of the victims.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to time travel back and kick Rod Serling right in his pinko ass for causing me so much trouble in my 8th grade life.</p>
<p>The monsters are the monsters.</p>
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		<title>By: IGC Blogger</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/09/16/succinct-summary-of-the-change-process/#comment-125887</link>
		<dc:creator>IGC Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Technically, I&#039;m not a changer either, but I can remember listening to Bob Grant on the radio back in the day. Bob Grant was a talk show host on WABC 770 before talk radio was &quot;cool.&quot; It may be hard to explain by today&#039;s standards and in today&#039;s context, but it was a profound, almost surreal experience to actually hear someone in the media that didn&#039;t follow the liberal line, and that in general thought about issues the same way I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technically, I&#8217;m not a changer either, but I can remember listening to Bob Grant on the radio back in the day. Bob Grant was a talk show host on WABC 770 before talk radio was &#8220;cool.&#8221; It may be hard to explain by today&#8217;s standards and in today&#8217;s context, but it was a profound, almost surreal experience to actually hear someone in the media that didn&#8217;t follow the liberal line, and that in general thought about issues the same way I did.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel in Brookline</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/09/16/succinct-summary-of-the-change-process/#comment-125882</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel in Brookline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AVI:

My problem is not so much, as you put it, &quot;Peace-loving liberals make excuses for violent people around the world, trying to convince us that thuggish dictators, Islamists, and criminals would all be &lt;i&gt;just fine&lt;/i&gt; if we hadn’t exploited/ insulted/ oppressed them so much&quot;.

There&#039;s also the other side of the coin: people unwilling to excuse their own side for &lt;b&gt;anything,&lt;/b&gt; such as mentioning certain derogatory words, failing to support trendy causes e.g. global warming, and so forth.

When the latter get demonized &lt;i&gt;instead of the former&lt;/i&gt;, there&#039;s something seriously wrong.  (And one is tempted to ask the question: isn&#039;t it possible that it&#039;s the other way around?  That disbelievers in global warming are simply misguided and under-educated, whereas the people who blow up schoolbuses and saw people&#039;s heads off are evil and must be fought?  Now &lt;i&gt;that&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; a liberal mindset I&#039;d like to see more of.)

respectfully,
Daniel in Brookline</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AVI:</p>
<p>My problem is not so much, as you put it, &#8220;Peace-loving liberals make excuses for violent people around the world, trying to convince us that thuggish dictators, Islamists, and criminals would all be <i>just fine</i> if we hadn’t exploited/ insulted/ oppressed them so much&#8221;.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also the other side of the coin: people unwilling to excuse their own side for <b>anything,</b> such as mentioning certain derogatory words, failing to support trendy causes e.g. global warming, and so forth.</p>
<p>When the latter get demonized <i>instead of the former</i>, there&#8217;s something seriously wrong.  (And one is tempted to ask the question: isn&#8217;t it possible that it&#8217;s the other way around?  That disbelievers in global warming are simply misguided and under-educated, whereas the people who blow up schoolbuses and saw people&#8217;s heads off are evil and must be fought?  Now <i>that&#8217;s</i> a liberal mindset I&#8217;d like to see more of.)</p>
<p>respectfully,<br />
Daniel in Brookline</p>
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		<title>By: Assistant Village Idiot</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/09/16/succinct-summary-of-the-change-process/#comment-125855</link>
		<dc:creator>Assistant Village Idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gray, The monsters are the monsters.  Simple.  Cuts through a lot of BS.  You saw human nature more clearly than the TV writer.

The teacher may have been technically correct in that the author&#039;s intent was to show that we are the monsters, but somehow I don&#039;t think that particular lesson would have been chosen if the teacher didn&#039;t agree with the scriptwriter on this.

IIRC, the power goes out for no reason and later, machines turn off and on for no reason.  The monsters create a nightmare, senseless environment and ordinary people react very badly to that.  &lt;i&gt;Quelle surprise,&lt;/i&gt; eh?  One wonders how the scriptwriters would react if &lt;i&gt;their&lt;/i&gt; lawnmowers turned themselves on for no reason.

The extension of that reasoning is the Sophie&#039;s Choice scenario, where the monsters attempt to make the ordinary person morally responsible for the monsters&#039; evil.

Let&#039;s bring this up to present day, as I think it is revealing.  Peace-loving liberals make excuses for violent people around the world, trying to convince us that thuggish dictators, Islamists, and criminals would all be &lt;i&gt;just fine&lt;/i&gt; if we hadn&#039;t exploited/insulted/oppressed them so much.  They thereby encourage the violence by giving it legitimacy. (They do this for self-serving political reasons, though they disguise that even to themselves - but that&#039;s another story).

Their hands are clean.  They committed no violence.  They got proxies to do it for them.

The monsters are the monsters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gray, The monsters are the monsters.  Simple.  Cuts through a lot of BS.  You saw human nature more clearly than the TV writer.</p>
<p>The teacher may have been technically correct in that the author&#8217;s intent was to show that we are the monsters, but somehow I don&#8217;t think that particular lesson would have been chosen if the teacher didn&#8217;t agree with the scriptwriter on this.</p>
<p>IIRC, the power goes out for no reason and later, machines turn off and on for no reason.  The monsters create a nightmare, senseless environment and ordinary people react very badly to that.  <i>Quelle surprise,</i> eh?  One wonders how the scriptwriters would react if <i>their</i> lawnmowers turned themselves on for no reason.</p>
<p>The extension of that reasoning is the Sophie&#8217;s Choice scenario, where the monsters attempt to make the ordinary person morally responsible for the monsters&#8217; evil.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s bring this up to present day, as I think it is revealing.  Peace-loving liberals make excuses for violent people around the world, trying to convince us that thuggish dictators, Islamists, and criminals would all be <i>just fine</i> if we hadn&#8217;t exploited/insulted/oppressed them so much.  They thereby encourage the violence by giving it legitimacy. (They do this for self-serving political reasons, though they disguise that even to themselves &#8211; but that&#8217;s another story).</p>
<p>Their hands are clean.  They committed no violence.  They got proxies to do it for them.</p>
<p>The monsters are the monsters.</p>
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		<title>By: HappyAcres</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/09/16/succinct-summary-of-the-change-process/#comment-125841</link>
		<dc:creator>HappyAcres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another &quot;changer&quot; here.

I appreciate neoneo&#039;s reflections on the topic.  The commenters&#039; stories are also  interesting.

I wish we could have a meet-up and trade stories.

In my own awakening, humor played a large role.  I&#039;d accidentally land on right wing websites and -- against my will -- their over-the-top ridicule of the Left would make me laugh.  Think Ace Of Spades or TJICistan.

It was a forbidden pleasure.  After all, these were stupid people, and I fancied myself an enlightened intellectual.  But they were having so much fun!  It wasn&#039;t grim.  They didn&#039;t have to consult the PC handbook before they spoke.

thanks again to everyone here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another &#8220;changer&#8221; here.</p>
<p>I appreciate neoneo&#8217;s reflections on the topic.  The commenters&#8217; stories are also  interesting.</p>
<p>I wish we could have a meet-up and trade stories.</p>
<p>In my own awakening, humor played a large role.  I&#8217;d accidentally land on right wing websites and &#8212; against my will &#8212; their over-the-top ridicule of the Left would make me laugh.  Think Ace Of Spades or TJICistan.</p>
<p>It was a forbidden pleasure.  After all, these were stupid people, and I fancied myself an enlightened intellectual.  But they were having so much fun!  It wasn&#8217;t grim.  They didn&#8217;t have to consult the PC handbook before they spoke.</p>
<p>thanks again to everyone here.</p>
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