Comments on: Obama’s second Polish joke: the Obama Doctrine

By: Wakefield Tolbert

Wakefield Tolbert — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:01:41 +0000

Oooppppsss

now the link is corrected.

Yipes…

By: Wakefield Tolbert

Wakefield Tolbert — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:00:55 +0000

What about the counterclaim that this current system in place in Czechloslovakia is not even needed, only works in some half-assed way (or not at all) and that regardless of whatever assumed concessions the Russians might have made (purportedly to lean on Iran about nukes), the fact is that Iran is:

A) no where close to having ICBM range of Europe, which is supposedly what the whole bruha is about, and….to claim such abilities for the Iranians is sheer fantasy to the Nth power…

B) The sea-based Aegis system is more than capable of handling whatever puny “missles” than Iran might conjure up, if at all…

In other words, John Bolton and the conservatives in the media might be howling about this, but it is only a false perception of weakness, even if the Russians are snickering over something that didn’t even have the ability to knock out anything they might have shot–much less a worry about the Iranians.

By: Baklava

Baklava — Sun, 20 Sep 2009 16:55:38 +0000

Danny wrote, “wanted U.S. influence to go away.”

I used to work with a guy who came from France. He was so immature in every and I think this attitude is immature also.

“Just go away!”

Reminds me of a 2 year old who talks back to his/her mommy…

Relationships are hard work. Many people seem to choose judgmentalism and laziness.

I’m not saying America is perfect. I’m saying that everybody’s view of America is somewhat irrelevant in that as long as America is protecting national security, continues to be GENEROUS (giving more than all other countries combined charity wise) and for the most part does the right thing …. my conscience is clear

As for your last post Danny – I see where you are coming from – but there is one thing you aren’t considering…..

Our national security.

What will be the result to us national security wise of these decisions?

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By: armchair pessimist

armchair pessimist — Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:56:53 +0000

That the people of Poland and the C. Republic never wanted the missles only makes our sin the blacker. Those governments who agreed to help us at some political cost have been made to look like fools. Once again, as we have shown so many times before, America is frivolous, unreliable and best avoided.

By: Danny Lemieux

Danny Lemieux — Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:46:34 +0000

During the Bush administration, much of the world (India and large swaths of Africa excepted) wanted U.S. influence to go away. What most of the people in the world have not appreciated is how many fingers the U.S. has kept in the dike of world affairs to keep the world from crumbling.

Right on cue, here is the latest Pew Global Opinion Poll:
http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=264

If it is to be believed, the world (Poland included) loves Obama as much as it despised Bush. U.S. influence in the world is certainly disappearing. So, let them live with with the consequences!

By: Danny Lemieux

Danny Lemieux — Sat, 19 Sep 2009 03:53:53 +0000

I don’t deny that Poland is (was?) one of the most pro-American countries in the world. But the average Pole, too, fell into the morass of Bush-hatred while Bush (like Reagan in his time) was trying to protect the EUros from their own misguided pacifist, “see no evil” view of the world. The Poles, more than other EUros, got it…to a point!

Furthermore, I can understand how all the Bush-hate developed, given the absolute, non-stop anti-American drivel to which the EUros are subjected from Hollywood, CNN and their own media (which recycles our own Left-wing MSM nonsense). Except for the U.K., there is very little opposition journalism of note in the EU.

That being said, the Poles and Czechs should not feel that they have been unfairly shafted by the Obama administration. Shafted, yes…unfairly, no: I’m sure that the Poles will soon feel in very good company, splayed like Flat Alberts under the bus with our other (former) allies and a good portion of the American voting public.

By: neo-neocon

neo-neocon — Sat, 19 Sep 2009 02:53:36 +0000

Danny Lemieux: I wrote “pro-Bush” but I didn’t exactly mean that; I wasn’t really talking about some personal liking for Bush. I meant “pro-US during the Bush administration years.” I think the chart on p. 3 of the link you gave (great link, by the way; thanks!) is a good indication. It shows that Poland is one of the most pro-American countries in the world. Pro-American sentiment did drop during the Bush years, but it remained quite high. 68% of Poles still had a favorable view of the US in 2008.

By: Baklava

Baklava — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 23:28:46 +0000

Danny,

Look at Page 4.

I suggest you are reading this stuff wrong.

Page 4 and 10 look pretty good.

It’s not negative and not as negative as the rest of Europe .

By: Danny Lemieux

Danny Lemieux — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:37:19 +0000

Oooops! It looks like I overdid the “strike” tag.

[from neo-neocon: I was able to fix it.]