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	<title>Comments on: In the interests of fairness&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: FDUAlum</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/22/in-the-interests-of-fairness/#comment-133168</link>
		<dc:creator>FDUAlum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prof. Helen Brudner&#039;s husband was a theoretical physicist and she&#039;s brilliant as well. I totally agree with Plato and Peggy Bunker that Brudner is the real source for &quot;a thousand points of light.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof. Helen Brudner&#8217;s husband was a theoretical physicist and she&#8217;s brilliant as well. I totally agree with Plato and Peggy Bunker that Brudner is the real source for &#8220;a thousand points of light.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: neo-neocon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/22/in-the-interests-of-fairness/#comment-131085</link>
		<dc:creator>neo-neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nolanimrod: I believe they showed it only once on TV as an &lt;i&gt;advertisement&lt;/i&gt;.  It was shown quite a bit on the news, and discussion shows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nolanimrod: I believe they showed it only once on TV as an <i>advertisement</i>.  It was shown quite a bit on the news, and discussion shows.</p>
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		<title>By: Nolanimrod</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/22/in-the-interests-of-fairness/#comment-131059</link>
		<dc:creator>Nolanimrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 06:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think whoever said they showed the Daisy ad once only was mistaken.  I saw it and most of my friends saw it.  And we were around 14, not a prime political ad-watching group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think whoever said they showed the Daisy ad once only was mistaken.  I saw it and most of my friends saw it.  And we were around 14, not a prime political ad-watching group.</p>
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		<title>By: Cilantro Joe</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/22/in-the-interests-of-fairness/#comment-130772</link>
		<dc:creator>Cilantro Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 05:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exploitation of children for propaganda: knock it off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exploitation of children for propaganda: knock it off.</p>
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		<title>By: Plato Bunker</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/22/in-the-interests-of-fairness/#comment-130760</link>
		<dc:creator>Plato Bunker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 03:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peggy Noonan got &quot;a thousand points of light&quot; from Prof. Helen Brudner her History teacher at Fairleigh Dickinson University.  My wife was in the same class as Peggy.  My wife has an astounding memory for this sort of thing.  -PB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peggy Noonan got &#8220;a thousand points of light&#8221; from Prof. Helen Brudner her History teacher at Fairleigh Dickinson University.  My wife was in the same class as Peggy.  My wife has an astounding memory for this sort of thing.  -PB</p>
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		<title>By: neo-neocon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/22/in-the-interests-of-fairness/#comment-130723</link>
		<dc:creator>neo-neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew M: Oops!  Will fix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew M: Oops!  Will fix.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew M</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/22/in-the-interests-of-fairness/#comment-130719</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“September 1, 1039,”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“September 1, 1039,”</p>
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		<title>By: mizpants</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/22/in-the-interests-of-fairness/#comment-130674</link>
		<dc:creator>mizpants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neo,
That note is really something. Only a figure as major and adored as Auden could get away with that kind of public self-flagellation. And even though I think the  &quot;and die&quot; is truer than the &quot;or die&quot; version, it really works against the meaning of the poem, doesn&#039;t it? Or at least doesn&#039;t make much sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo,<br />
That note is really something. Only a figure as major and adored as Auden could get away with that kind of public self-flagellation. And even though I think the  &#8220;and die&#8221; is truer than the &#8220;or die&#8221; version, it really works against the meaning of the poem, doesn&#8217;t it? Or at least doesn&#8217;t make much sense.</p>
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		<title>By: neo-neocon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/22/in-the-interests-of-fairness/#comment-130660</link>
		<dc:creator>neo-neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew M: What&#039;s the typo?  Give me a hint.  Sometimes they&#039;re hard to find.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew M: What&#8217;s the typo?  Give me a hint.  Sometimes they&#8217;re hard to find.</p>
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		<title>By: neo-neocon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/22/in-the-interests-of-fairness/#comment-130658</link>
		<dc:creator>neo-neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mizpants: That&#039;s fascinating.  I hadn&#039;t known that; I guess I&#039;m with Austen, though, in finding fault with the line (I think it works poetically, however).  Looking it up, I found &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_1,_1939&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the following&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;i&gt;Soon after writing the poem, Auden began to turn away from it, apparently because he found it self-flattering to himself and to his readers. When he reprinted the poem in The Collected Poetry of W. H. Auden (1945) he omitted the famous stanza that ends &quot;We must love one another or die.&quot; In 1957, he wrote to the critic Laurence Lerner, &quot;Between you and me, I loathe that poem&quot; (quoted in Edward Mendelson, Later Auden, p. 478). He resolved to omit it from his further collections (it did not appear in his 1966 Collected Shorter Poems 1927-1957).

In the mid-1950s Auden began to refuse permission to editors who asked to reprint the poem in anthologies. In 1955 he allowed Oscar Williams to include it complete in The New Pocket Anthology of American Verse with the most famous line altered to read &quot;We must love one another and die.&quot; Later he allowed the poem to be reprinted only once, in a Penguin Books anthology Poetry of the Thirties (1964), with a note saying about this and four other early poems, &quot;Mr. W. H. Auden considers these five poems to be trash which he is ashamed to have written.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mizpants: That&#8217;s fascinating.  I hadn&#8217;t known that; I guess I&#8217;m with Austen, though, in finding fault with the line (I think it works poetically, however).  Looking it up, I found <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_1,_1939" rel="nofollow">the following</a>:</p>
<p><i>Soon after writing the poem, Auden began to turn away from it, apparently because he found it self-flattering to himself and to his readers. When he reprinted the poem in The Collected Poetry of W. H. Auden (1945) he omitted the famous stanza that ends &#8220;We must love one another or die.&#8221; In 1957, he wrote to the critic Laurence Lerner, &#8220;Between you and me, I loathe that poem&#8221; (quoted in Edward Mendelson, Later Auden, p. 478). He resolved to omit it from his further collections (it did not appear in his 1966 Collected Shorter Poems 1927-1957).</p>
<p>In the mid-1950s Auden began to refuse permission to editors who asked to reprint the poem in anthologies. In 1955 he allowed Oscar Williams to include it complete in The New Pocket Anthology of American Verse with the most famous line altered to read &#8220;We must love one another and die.&#8221; Later he allowed the poem to be reprinted only once, in a Penguin Books anthology Poetry of the Thirties (1964), with a note saying about this and four other early poems, &#8220;Mr. W. H. Auden considers these five poems to be trash which he is ashamed to have written.&#8221;</i></p>
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