Comments on: Noonan and Obama: public and private selves http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/24/noonan-and-obama-public-and-private-selves/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:39:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Steve G http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/24/noonan-and-obama-public-and-private-selves/#comment-131274 Steve G Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:45:03 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/24/noonan-and-obama-public-and-private-selves/#comment-131274 Ann Coulter astutely commented that both Democrat and Republican candidates for president run as centrists and sometimes the Republican is telling the truth. But, the Democrat always lies. On the day Obama won the Democratic nomination for president he moved suddenly and directly to the center, as if he had always staked a place there. To me, the change was brazen, in that it discounted almost entirely the public's willingness and/or ability to examine his experience and values, if even with regard to what he was saying the day before. Sadly, due primarily to the failure of the MSM to vet him, he was right! But, surely Noonan knew what she was seeing and was not taken in by the sudden switch in the tone of his campaign. After all, it is a given that liberals lie and laugh at us more serious conservatives for our inability and unwillingness to follow in this, one of their more dishonorable attributes. That she still favored him in the election says to me that she lost her moral compass. If she comes around to the view that he is not all that was advertised, it won't be because she has had an epiphany. It will only be to look less foolish. She shot her wad and is now history, at least from the conservatives perspective. It's because liberals always lie about their true views and present themselves as conservatives, and then move to the left as soon as they can safely remove this cloak of deception, that I did not like Clinton (or either of them, for that matter). There is no there there; no moral compass; no real human being. These people are haters who cloak themselves in public good to gain power. Remember, Clinton staffed his WH with immature kids who were going to change the world. His first major legislative push was for gays in the military. He literally lost most of his good will on that fight, taken on against members of his own party. Obama just seems an exaggeration of all that is wrong with liberals and he and his advisors either have no skills (other than to run a campaign) or they don't care the result of their playing hardball. If the Republicans are said not to have a leader now, so what. They don't need one. All they have to do is say no to everything and stand back and watch the action. If my memory serves, the Republicans retook both houses of Congress in 1994, steadied the Clinton presidency, and forced him back to the center, to the dismay of his liberal base. But, because he was forced to govern somewhat as a centrist while still being able to appeal to his liberal base (remember, he skillfully used the bully pulpit of the presidency to win the fight with Gingrich) he won reelection in 1996 for another 4 years. If the Republicans win either or both houses of Congress in 2010, we face the same dilemma. By taming the Obama beast, we make him look more reasoned as a statesman in 2012, and more attractive a candidate. GOD forbid! Ann Coulter astutely commented that both Democrat and Republican candidates for president run as centrists and sometimes the Republican is telling the truth. But, the Democrat always lies. On the day Obama won the Democratic nomination for president he moved suddenly and directly to the center, as if he had always staked a place there. To me, the change was brazen, in that it discounted almost entirely the public’s willingness and/or ability to examine his experience and values, if even with regard to what he was saying the day before. Sadly, due primarily to the failure of the MSM to vet him, he was right! But, surely Noonan knew what she was seeing and was not taken in by the sudden switch in the tone of his campaign. After all, it is a given that liberals lie and laugh at us more serious conservatives for our inability and unwillingness to follow in this, one of their more dishonorable attributes. That she still favored him in the election says to me that she lost her moral compass. If she comes around to the view that he is not all that was advertised, it won’t be because she has had an epiphany. It will only be to look less foolish. She shot her wad and is now history, at least from the conservatives perspective.

It’s because liberals always lie about their true views and present themselves as conservatives, and then move to the left as soon as they can safely remove this cloak of deception, that I did not like Clinton (or either of them, for that matter). There is no there there; no moral compass; no real human being. These people are haters who cloak themselves in public good to gain power. Remember, Clinton staffed his WH with immature kids who were going to change the world. His first major legislative push was for gays in the military. He literally lost most of his good will on that fight, taken on against members of his own party.

Obama just seems an exaggeration of all that is wrong with liberals and he and his advisors either have no skills (other than to run a campaign) or they don’t care the result of their playing hardball. If the Republicans are said not to have a leader now, so what. They don’t need one. All they have to do is say no to everything and stand back and watch the action.

If my memory serves, the Republicans retook both houses of Congress in 1994, steadied the Clinton presidency, and forced him back to the center, to the dismay of his liberal base. But, because he was forced to govern somewhat as a centrist while still being able to appeal to his liberal base (remember, he skillfully used the bully pulpit of the presidency to win the fight with Gingrich) he won reelection in 1996 for another 4 years. If the Republicans win either or both houses of Congress in 2010, we face the same dilemma. By taming the Obama beast, we make him look more reasoned as a statesman in 2012, and more attractive a candidate. GOD forbid!

]]> By: rickl http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/24/noonan-and-obama-public-and-private-selves/#comment-131223 rickl Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:15:55 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/24/noonan-and-obama-public-and-private-selves/#comment-131223 Don Rodrigo: Heh™. Don Rodrigo: Heh™.

]]> By: Baklava http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/24/noonan-and-obama-public-and-private-selves/#comment-131190 Baklava Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:54:49 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/24/noonan-and-obama-public-and-private-selves/#comment-131190 OMG Neo, Douglas Wilder (the former african american GOVERNOR of Virginia a decade ago) does not back Deeds the Democrat in the race for VA governor. In fact!!! Obama called Douglas Wilder and Douglas Wilder said: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/wilder-if-mcdonnell-wins-virginia-wont-sink-into-the-seas.php?ref=mp Read the story to find out !! OMG Neo,

Douglas Wilder (the former african american GOVERNOR of Virginia a decade ago) does not back Deeds the Democrat in the race for VA governor.

In fact!!! Obama called Douglas Wilder and Douglas Wilder said:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/wilder-if-mcdonnell-wins-virginia-wont-sink-into-the-seas.php?ref=mp

Read the story to find out !!

]]> By: Baklava http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/24/noonan-and-obama-public-and-private-selves/#comment-131189 Baklava Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:52:10 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/24/noonan-and-obama-public-and-private-selves/#comment-131189 The WaPo says: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/26/AR2009102602414.html?hpid=newswell <em>McDonnell holds double-digit advantages when it comes to dealing with the economy (plus 17 percentage points), transportation (16 points), taxes (25 points) and has overtaken Deeds as the one more trusted to handle issues of special concern to women (7 points). </em> Wow! Even issues of special concern to Women? I submit that issues of concern to women are concerns of fathers, husbands, brothers and sons but I digress.... The WaPo says:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/26/AR2009102602414.html?hpid=newswell

McDonnell holds double-digit advantages when it comes to dealing with the economy (plus 17 percentage points), transportation (16 points), taxes (25 points) and has overtaken Deeds as the one more trusted to handle issues of special concern to women (7 points).

Wow! Even issues of special concern to Women? I submit that issues of concern to women are concerns of fathers, husbands, brothers and sons but I digress….

]]> By: Don Rodrigo http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/24/noonan-and-obama-public-and-private-selves/#comment-131184 Don Rodrigo Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:36:53 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/24/noonan-and-obama-public-and-private-selves/#comment-131184 <em>A Washington Examiner article asks who is reading the McChrystal Report, focusing on those few members of Congress who have already signed in to read the report in secret. But, I have had a very disquieting thought. In my heart of hearts I don’t think it has been or will ever be read by Obama. I really hope I am wrong.</em> Steve G: Who among the powers-that-be reads ANYTHING of policy substance in DC anymore? They certainly don't read any of those monstrous bills, so why should they be expected to read military policy reports? A Washington Examiner article asks who is reading the McChrystal Report, focusing on those few members of Congress who have already signed in to read the report in secret. But, I have had a very disquieting thought. In my heart of hearts I don’t think it has been or will ever be read by Obama. I really hope I am wrong.

Steve G: Who among the powers-that-be reads ANYTHING of policy substance in DC anymore? They certainly don’t read any of those monstrous bills, so why should they be expected to read military policy reports?

]]> By: Don Rodrigo http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/24/noonan-and-obama-public-and-private-selves/#comment-131181 Don Rodrigo Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:15:57 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/24/noonan-and-obama-public-and-private-selves/#comment-131181 I really didn't need any more evidence coming into 2009 that most of the world's (and especially the western part of it) elite are buffoons. Still, I don't mind the confirmation I get when Nobel Peace prizes are handed out for "potential," like gift bags on Oscar night or when I figured out that Noonan, Brooks and (Chris) Buckley carried water for and voted for Obama because he looks sharp in a suit, and does a great imitation of an articulate man. I am starting to mind the fact that evidence of the baboonish stupidity of all these 'smart' people keeps piling up (OK, apologies to baboons, who at least know how to find water and mogongo nuts). I really didn’t need any more evidence coming into 2009 that most of the world’s (and especially the western part of it) elite are buffoons. Still, I don’t mind the confirmation I get when Nobel Peace prizes are handed out for “potential,” like gift bags on Oscar night or when I figured out that Noonan, Brooks and (Chris) Buckley carried water for and voted for Obama because he looks sharp in a suit, and does a great imitation of an articulate man.

I am starting to mind the fact that evidence of the baboonish stupidity of all these ‘smart’ people keeps piling up (OK, apologies to baboons, who at least know how to find water and mogongo nuts).

]]> By: Baklava http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/24/noonan-and-obama-public-and-private-selves/#comment-131176 Baklava Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:53:54 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/24/noonan-and-obama-public-and-private-selves/#comment-131176 I've been watching this guy. I've heard him interviewed. I like what he says mostly. Wake up liberal Republicans please ! http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/10/024799.php I’ve been watching this guy. I’ve heard him interviewed. I like what he says mostly.

Wake up liberal Republicans please !

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/10/024799.php

]]> By: Baklava http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/24/noonan-and-obama-public-and-private-selves/#comment-131156 Baklava Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:33:14 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/24/noonan-and-obama-public-and-private-selves/#comment-131156 I hear ya on your 3 items James. Thanks. I hear ya on your 3 items James. Thanks.

]]> By: Baklava http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/24/noonan-and-obama-public-and-private-selves/#comment-131155 Baklava Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:31:27 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/24/noonan-and-obama-public-and-private-selves/#comment-131155 Neo, I think 2 & 3 are forgivable. Why? Nobody is perfect on item 2 and even historians have pieces of history they don't know. What I have an issue with mostly is item 1) (shallow thinker). So my question is - can she redeem herself? Maybe she can redeem herself with some people. Maybe she can even gain a 'new' following (like Meghan McCainites) but with me... I'd have to see several deep thinking columns for her to be more relevant. I haven't see one yet... Neo, I think 2 & 3 are forgivable.

Why?

Nobody is perfect on item 2 and even historians have pieces of history they don’t know.

What I have an issue with mostly is item 1) (shallow thinker).

So my question is – can she redeem herself? Maybe she can redeem herself with some people. Maybe she can even gain a ‘new’ following (like Meghan McCainites) but with me… I’d have to see several deep thinking columns for her to be more relevant.

I haven’t see one yet…

]]> By: James http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/24/noonan-and-obama-public-and-private-selves/#comment-131154 James Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:25:36 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/24/noonan-and-obama-public-and-private-selves/#comment-131154 Hi Neo, I haven't commented here in a while, but its still fun to read your thoughts. First - To Baklava above, the Bush Senior incident at the Grocery store never happened. Bush was at a convention of grocery store equipment manufacturers. They were showing him new models of scanner which could read the bar code even when it was torn or wrinkled. To some extent Bush was being polite in talking up their new technology. Its polite to be impressed at conventions. Second - Obama's race really is important to people - though it shouldn't be. A law affects us the same whether a black, green or white president signed it. Obama used that to his advantage. He was able to say - vote for me, I'm a non-threatening black guy. He then brought his hard left ideology along for a ride. The Democratic party didn't have to do that. If race was that important, they could have found a smart, down the middle black guy with the outlook of Bill Clinton. Then we wouldn't have much to worry about. Instead we got Obama and his ideology. Noonan doesn't want to admit that she fell for the act. If she fell for it, then she realliy has no reason to be a national columnist. James. James Hi Neo,

I haven’t commented here in a while, but its still fun to read your thoughts.

First – To Baklava above, the Bush Senior incident at the Grocery store never happened. Bush was at a convention of grocery store equipment manufacturers. They were showing him new models of scanner which could read the bar code even when it was torn or wrinkled. To some extent Bush was being polite in talking up their new technology. Its polite to be impressed at conventions.

Second – Obama’s race really is important to people – though it shouldn’t be. A law affects us the same whether a black, green or white president signed it. Obama used that to his advantage. He was able to say – vote for me, I’m a non-threatening black guy. He then brought his hard left ideology along for a ride. The Democratic party didn’t have to do that. If race was that important, they could have found a smart, down the middle black guy with the outlook of Bill Clinton. Then we wouldn’t have much to worry about.

Instead we got Obama and his ideology. Noonan doesn’t want to admit that she fell for the act. If she fell for it, then she realliy has no reason to be a national columnist.

James.

James

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