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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/28/obamacare-as-suicide-mission/#comment-131678</link>
		<dc:creator>Artfldgr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks baklava! 

but technically, all the knowlege needed to understand my point, was contained here. so of course it could be short and make a point. 

but when it included history no one wanted to know (ie almost all history outside the US and half of it here), how do you make the point? you cant, they are defening their position with a moat of ignorance around them. 

put another way, they claim to win the game by folding their arms, sitting down and refusing to move, like a 2 or 3 year old, and claims a win the same way when someone else will not sink so low. 

at least someone got it
thks baklava  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks baklava! </p>
<p>but technically, all the knowlege needed to understand my point, was contained here. so of course it could be short and make a point. </p>
<p>but when it included history no one wanted to know (ie almost all history outside the US and half of it here), how do you make the point? you cant, they are defening their position with a moat of ignorance around them. </p>
<p>put another way, they claim to win the game by folding their arms, sitting down and refusing to move, like a 2 or 3 year old, and claims a win the same way when someone else will not sink so low. </p>
<p>at least someone got it<br />
thks baklava  <img src='http://neoneocon.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Daniel in Brookline</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/28/obamacare-as-suicide-mission/#comment-131615</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel in Brookline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are we getting into the short vs. long posts again?

Writing a good short post is hard work.  A good short post has no room to waste, so you need to pay careful attention to everything you say.  A long post can have lots of good information in it, but if it&#039;s buried among the nonessential stuff, few people will read it.

&lt;b&gt;“I&#039;m sorry I wrote such a long letter. I did not have the time to write a short one.”&lt;/b&gt;  
-- &lt;a href=&quot;http://thinkexist.com/quotation/i-m_sorry_i_wrote_such_a_long_letter-i_did_not/346101.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Abraham Lincoln&lt;/a&gt; (although &lt;a href=&quot;http://thinkexist.com/quotation/i_didn-t_have_time_to_write_a_short_letter-so_i/338386.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mark Twain&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://thinkexist.com/quotation/i_have_made_this_letter_longer_than_usual-only/153299.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Blaise Pascal&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://thinkexist.com/quotation/if_i_had_more_time-i_would_have_written_a_shorter/341195.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;others&lt;/a&gt; expressed similar sentiments)

 Or, if you prefer:
&quot;If I am to speak ten minutes, I need a week for preparation; if fifteen minutes, three days; if half an hour, two days; if an hour, I am ready now. &quot;
-- Woodrow Wilson

respectfully,
Daniel in Brookline</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are we getting into the short vs. long posts again?</p>
<p>Writing a good short post is hard work.  A good short post has no room to waste, so you need to pay careful attention to everything you say.  A long post can have lots of good information in it, but if it&#8217;s buried among the nonessential stuff, few people will read it.</p>
<p><b>“I&#8217;m sorry I wrote such a long letter. I did not have the time to write a short one.”</b><br />
&#8211; <a href="http://thinkexist.com/quotation/i-m_sorry_i_wrote_such_a_long_letter-i_did_not/346101.html" rel="nofollow">Abraham Lincoln</a> (although <a href="http://thinkexist.com/quotation/i_didn-t_have_time_to_write_a_short_letter-so_i/338386.html" rel="nofollow">Mark Twain</a>, <a href="http://thinkexist.com/quotation/i_have_made_this_letter_longer_than_usual-only/153299.html" rel="nofollow">Blaise Pascal</a>, and <a href="http://thinkexist.com/quotation/if_i_had_more_time-i_would_have_written_a_shorter/341195.html" rel="nofollow">others</a> expressed similar sentiments)</p>
<p> Or, if you prefer:<br />
&#8220;If I am to speak ten minutes, I need a week for preparation; if fifteen minutes, three days; if half an hour, two days; if an hour, I am ready now. &#8221;<br />
&#8211; Woodrow Wilson</p>
<p>respectfully,<br />
Daniel in Brookline</p>
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		<title>By: Cilantro Joe</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/28/obamacare-as-suicide-mission/#comment-131605</link>
		<dc:creator>Cilantro Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ELC: Interesting. My source is DailyLit.com&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Speeches and Letters of Abraham Lincoln&lt;/i&gt;, which (erroneously?) gives the speech-date as 1837.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ELC: Interesting. My source is DailyLit.com&#8217;s <i>Speeches and Letters of Abraham Lincoln</i>, which (erroneously?) gives the speech-date as 1837.</p>
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		<title>By: Obamanation Healthcare Quote of the Day &#124; Careful Thought</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/28/obamacare-as-suicide-mission/#comment-131573</link>
		<dc:creator>Obamanation Healthcare Quote of the Day &#124; Careful Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 03:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] into a canyon and deciding what it really needs is a bomb on board.”  (Holman Jenkins, by way of neo-neocon)   Share and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] into a canyon and deciding what it really needs is a bomb on board.”  (Holman Jenkins, by way of neo-neocon)   Share and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ELC</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/28/obamacare-as-suicide-mission/#comment-131560</link>
		<dc:creator>ELC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Lincoln. It was January 27, 1838: &lt;a href=&quot;http://weblog.theviewfromthecore.com/2009_01/ind_005659.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Prophet Abraham Speaks&lt;/a&gt;.

Re: Congress. I &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wesurroundthempa.org/?p=162&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wrote&lt;/a&gt; about this a couple of weeks ago: &quot;An extraordinary disconnect has engulfed Congressional politics for decades: Americans as a whole rather consistently despise the Congress, yet Americans as individuals tend to re-elect their Congressional representatives, election after election. We need to wake people up so they will realize that they get a Congress They Despise because they keep re-electing the same politicians over and over again. That connection would seem to be obvious, but apparently it has not been so for a large percentage of the electorate. It might be easier now to get people to see it — and to vote accordingly — because more people are paying more attention now than, perhaps, ever before.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Lincoln. It was January 27, 1838: <a href="http://weblog.theviewfromthecore.com/2009_01/ind_005659.html" rel="nofollow">The Prophet Abraham Speaks</a>.</p>
<p>Re: Congress. I <a href="http://www.wesurroundthempa.org/?p=162" rel="nofollow">wrote</a> about this a couple of weeks ago: &#8220;An extraordinary disconnect has engulfed Congressional politics for decades: Americans as a whole rather consistently despise the Congress, yet Americans as individuals tend to re-elect their Congressional representatives, election after election. We need to wake people up so they will realize that they get a Congress They Despise because they keep re-electing the same politicians over and over again. That connection would seem to be obvious, but apparently it has not been so for a large percentage of the electorate. It might be easier now to get people to see it — and to vote accordingly — because more people are paying more attention now than, perhaps, ever before.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/28/obamacare-as-suicide-mission/#comment-131509</link>
		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was short and to the point Art ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was short and to the point Art <img src='http://neoneocon.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/28/obamacare-as-suicide-mission/#comment-131505</link>
		<dc:creator>Artfldgr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;hux, I consider you as much as a careless zealot as most of the people who believe global warming.

gray, You cite an AP article via CBS (fake but accurate) news as your source?
&lt;/i&gt;

and that is the difference between long and short posts.  if you say something short, your careless and dont know facts, and so are irrelevent to read, because X is right... and if your not careless and do know the facts and lay them down so that the first cant be said, you are now too long, and so are irrelevent to read, because X is right... 

notice that if one cant balance on the edge of a razorblade, or be singing to the others choir, your sent to the margins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>hux, I consider you as much as a careless zealot as most of the people who believe global warming.</p>
<p>gray, You cite an AP article via CBS (fake but accurate) news as your source?<br />
</i></p>
<p>and that is the difference between long and short posts.  if you say something short, your careless and dont know facts, and so are irrelevent to read, because X is right&#8230; and if your not careless and do know the facts and lay them down so that the first cant be said, you are now too long, and so are irrelevent to read, because X is right&#8230; </p>
<p>notice that if one cant balance on the edge of a razorblade, or be singing to the others choir, your sent to the margins.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve G</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/28/obamacare-as-suicide-mission/#comment-131466</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baklava,
You assume that I was as rude to my liberal acquaintance as he was to me.  Far from it.  But, I soon gave up trying to convert him.  (Read neo&#039;s &quot;A mind is a difficult thing to change. my change story&quot; as to why this is a thankless task and one for which you deserve a medal.)  Four or five of us would go to lunch each day and have rather healthy discussions of various issues of the day.  The liberal never got piqued enough to ask an original question and always fell back on tropes like &quot;Bush lied.  People died&quot;  or &quot;  Everyone knows that Republicans are the party of the rich (he was somewhat out of date). These were intended to end the conversation because they were always off point and, in his mind, beyond argument.  When asked, however, he could not quite identify the particular lie. 
 
If you &quot;converted&quot; a liberal it is only because you caught him at a time when he was ready to open his mind to new thoughts.  Good for you.  Better for him.  But, just because I am coming to think less and less of liberals as good people (they are not) does not mean that I would ever lower myself to their level.  What it means is that after years of taking verbal abuse from people who hold themselves out as better than me because they are liberal, I have come to appreciate liberals for their own true worthless and mean spirited selves.   

Speaking of mean spirited, when George Mitchell (a liberal Democrat who will not go away) was in the congress, he often appeared on news shows with one or more Republicans.  He ALWAYS accused them of being mean spirited before he would address the issue at hand.  And I mean always.  And, the MSM never called him on it and few Republicans were willing to risk using the same bad manners in order to respond.  So, he always got away with tarring the Republican as mean spirited.  But, in fact, like all true liberals, wasn&#039;t he just projecting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baklava,<br />
You assume that I was as rude to my liberal acquaintance as he was to me.  Far from it.  But, I soon gave up trying to convert him.  (Read neo&#8217;s &#8220;A mind is a difficult thing to change. my change story&#8221; as to why this is a thankless task and one for which you deserve a medal.)  Four or five of us would go to lunch each day and have rather healthy discussions of various issues of the day.  The liberal never got piqued enough to ask an original question and always fell back on tropes like &#8220;Bush lied.  People died&#8221;  or &#8221;  Everyone knows that Republicans are the party of the rich (he was somewhat out of date). These were intended to end the conversation because they were always off point and, in his mind, beyond argument.  When asked, however, he could not quite identify the particular lie. </p>
<p>If you &#8220;converted&#8221; a liberal it is only because you caught him at a time when he was ready to open his mind to new thoughts.  Good for you.  Better for him.  But, just because I am coming to think less and less of liberals as good people (they are not) does not mean that I would ever lower myself to their level.  What it means is that after years of taking verbal abuse from people who hold themselves out as better than me because they are liberal, I have come to appreciate liberals for their own true worthless and mean spirited selves.   </p>
<p>Speaking of mean spirited, when George Mitchell (a liberal Democrat who will not go away) was in the congress, he often appeared on news shows with one or more Republicans.  He ALWAYS accused them of being mean spirited before he would address the issue at hand.  And I mean always.  And, the MSM never called him on it and few Republicans were willing to risk using the same bad manners in order to respond.  So, he always got away with tarring the Republican as mean spirited.  But, in fact, like all true liberals, wasn&#8217;t he just projecting?</p>
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		<title>By: neo-neocon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/28/obamacare-as-suicide-mission/#comment-131464</link>
		<dc:creator>neo-neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you like, the discussion of liberal intentions can continue unabated at &lt;a href=&quot;http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/29/my-friends-the-liberals/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this new post&lt;/a&gt; on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you like, the discussion of liberal intentions can continue unabated at <a href="http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/29/my-friends-the-liberals/" rel="nofollow">this new post</a> on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/28/obamacare-as-suicide-mission/#comment-131463</link>
		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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