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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/11/08/crossing-the-health-care-reform-bridge/#comment-133321</link>
		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2009/11/gambling-with-our-health-care-system.html

If only I had time to read this book.</description>
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<p>If only I had time to read this book.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomass</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/11/08/crossing-the-health-care-reform-bridge/#comment-133102</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta keep educating people... including details about how most of the bad things won&#039;t kick in right away. You know, the government is going to take over regulating what treatments you get and then inist your private healthcare conform to their plan. This happens in X number of years. Et cetera. 

That way when we retake congress and try to change this mess we can point out to people that the ill effects have yet to hit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta keep educating people&#8230; including details about how most of the bad things won&#8217;t kick in right away. You know, the government is going to take over regulating what treatments you get and then inist your private healthcare conform to their plan. This happens in X number of years. Et cetera. </p>
<p>That way when we retake congress and try to change this mess we can point out to people that the ill effects have yet to hit.</p>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/11/08/crossing-the-health-care-reform-bridge/#comment-133093</link>
		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That $300 billion per year would cover 30 million people with a health plan of a $10,000 per year plan.

That&#039;s considered a cadillac plan isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That $300 billion per year would cover 30 million people with a health plan of a $10,000 per year plan.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s considered a cadillac plan isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/11/08/crossing-the-health-care-reform-bridge/#comment-133091</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that is different is that, for the first time, they are pushing a major takeover that&#039;s unpopular. 

It is my understanding that social security and medicare were popular when they were voted on. I think it is possible (if not easy) to push it back before it sinks in its hooks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that is different is that, for the first time, they are pushing a major takeover that&#8217;s unpopular. </p>
<p>It is my understanding that social security and medicare were popular when they were voted on. I think it is possible (if not easy) to push it back before it sinks in its hooks.</p>
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		<title>By: Assistant Village Idiot</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/11/08/crossing-the-health-care-reform-bridge/#comment-133090</link>
		<dc:creator>Assistant Village Idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mrs. Whatsit.  The sort of arrogance and oversimplification that considers opposition to his plan the same as trying to bring down &lt;i&gt;health care&lt;/i&gt; is a mark of narcissism who considers his opponents as merely evil, deserving of none of the respect for other human beings you and I would consider normative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrs. Whatsit.  The sort of arrogance and oversimplification that considers opposition to his plan the same as trying to bring down <i>health care</i> is a mark of narcissism who considers his opponents as merely evil, deserving of none of the respect for other human beings you and I would consider normative.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs Whatsit</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/11/08/crossing-the-health-care-reform-bridge/#comment-133076</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs Whatsit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here, according to a politician quoted in the New York Times, is how our President speaks about Americans who disagree with him: 

&quot;According to Representative Earl Blumenauer of Oregon, who supports the health care bill, the president asked, “Does anybody think that the teabag, anti-government people are going to support them if they bring down health care? All it will do is confuse and dispirit” Democratic voters “and it will encourage the extremists.”

As crude as Nixon or LBJ could be in private, before this administration, could anyone have imagined that the President of the United States would use a degrading sexual slur of this kind, in an address to legislators, to describe the people of his own country?  How on earth did we GET here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here, according to a politician quoted in the New York Times, is how our President speaks about Americans who disagree with him: </p>
<p>&#8220;According to Representative Earl Blumenauer of Oregon, who supports the health care bill, the president asked, “Does anybody think that the teabag, anti-government people are going to support them if they bring down health care? All it will do is confuse and dispirit” Democratic voters “and it will encourage the extremists.”</p>
<p>As crude as Nixon or LBJ could be in private, before this administration, could anyone have imagined that the President of the United States would use a degrading sexual slur of this kind, in an address to legislators, to describe the people of his own country?  How on earth did we GET here?</p>
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		<title>By: Scottie</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/11/08/crossing-the-health-care-reform-bridge/#comment-133075</link>
		<dc:creator>Scottie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nyo,

The &quot;democratic process&quot; empowered a *democracy* to execute Socrates, and a few millenia later empowered the government of 1930&#039;s Germany - and we all know how well THAT turned out.

There really was nothing in between those two events to establish a democracy as preferable form of government over a republic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nyo,</p>
<p>The &#8220;democratic process&#8221; empowered a *democracy* to execute Socrates, and a few millenia later empowered the government of 1930&#8242;s Germany &#8211; and we all know how well THAT turned out.</p>
<p>There really was nothing in between those two events to establish a democracy as preferable form of government over a republic.</p>
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		<title>By: Oblio</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/11/08/crossing-the-health-care-reform-bridge/#comment-133073</link>
		<dc:creator>Oblio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nyo, you must be joking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nyo, you must be joking.</p>
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		<title>By: nyo</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/11/08/crossing-the-health-care-reform-bridge/#comment-133069</link>
		<dc:creator>nyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever the American people decide, if it&#039;s a democratic process then you can do no better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever the American people decide, if it&#8217;s a democratic process then you can do no better.</p>
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		<title>By: Assistant Village Idiot</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/11/08/crossing-the-health-care-reform-bridge/#comment-133068</link>
		<dc:creator>Assistant Village Idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wellescent - that 17% number includes what people spend out of pocket on things like vitamins, alternative therapies, magazine ads, etc.  Americans like to buy those things, and they will still be there after any &quot;reforms.&quot;  You may consider such money wasted, but people choose that of their own free will.  That amount will still be added on to whatever the government cost of health care is.  It&#039;s apples and oranges comparing that to other countries.

Secondly, those other countries you mention do not have millions of illegal immigrants in them.  They are in fact quite homogenous populations compared to ours, which makes an enormous difference in what people will shell out.  Apples and oranges.

When things look that simple, so that you ask &quot;what could go wrong?&quot; I have to consider you a person who should in no way have a say over my wallet or my culture.  You may have that right in law, but you do not have it in morality or reason, and I will resist giving you any more authority than the law allows.

Absorb this thought: &lt;i&gt;if it really were about health care for poor people, conservatives would be less opposed - certainly less energised.&lt;/i&gt;  Lots of us would still think it a bad idea to centralise authority and increase entitlements, but hell, the government always does stupid expensive things that we grouse about.  Our point is that this is not going to be anything like what it is advertised as. Nearly everything that is being put forward as an argument in favor of this reform will turn out to be completely irrelevant in the long run.  You think you are coming onto the lot to buy a car.  The contract you will sign will donate money to a money-losing commuter rail system instead, and you will have no car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wellescent &#8211; that 17% number includes what people spend out of pocket on things like vitamins, alternative therapies, magazine ads, etc.  Americans like to buy those things, and they will still be there after any &#8220;reforms.&#8221;  You may consider such money wasted, but people choose that of their own free will.  That amount will still be added on to whatever the government cost of health care is.  It&#8217;s apples and oranges comparing that to other countries.</p>
<p>Secondly, those other countries you mention do not have millions of illegal immigrants in them.  They are in fact quite homogenous populations compared to ours, which makes an enormous difference in what people will shell out.  Apples and oranges.</p>
<p>When things look that simple, so that you ask &#8220;what could go wrong?&#8221; I have to consider you a person who should in no way have a say over my wallet or my culture.  You may have that right in law, but you do not have it in morality or reason, and I will resist giving you any more authority than the law allows.</p>
<p>Absorb this thought: <i>if it really were about health care for poor people, conservatives would be less opposed &#8211; certainly less energised.</i>  Lots of us would still think it a bad idea to centralise authority and increase entitlements, but hell, the government always does stupid expensive things that we grouse about.  Our point is that this is not going to be anything like what it is advertised as. Nearly everything that is being put forward as an argument in favor of this reform will turn out to be completely irrelevant in the long run.  You think you are coming onto the lot to buy a car.  The contract you will sign will donate money to a money-losing commuter rail system instead, and you will have no car.</p>
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