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	<title>Comments on: Climatology and AGW: who are the hoaxers, who the hoaxed?</title>
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		<title>By: huxley</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/11/20/climatology-who-are-the-hoaxers/#comment-134883</link>
		<dc:creator>huxley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it&#039;s quite possible that the CRU hacker isn&#039;t done releasing further materials.

Some people are now turning over the rocks in the fortran code and finding all sorts of wormy stuff in the comments. 

Apparently one of the reasons the CRU scientists haven&#039;t wanted to release their data and code is the poor quality and all the hackery that went into splicing the data together.

No. If we are going to have these big life-and-death discussions of global warming, the datasets and the code that handles them should be in a universal repository that all have access to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s quite possible that the CRU hacker isn&#8217;t done releasing further materials.</p>
<p>Some people are now turning over the rocks in the fortran code and finding all sorts of wormy stuff in the comments. </p>
<p>Apparently one of the reasons the CRU scientists haven&#8217;t wanted to release their data and code is the poor quality and all the hackery that went into splicing the data together.</p>
<p>No. If we are going to have these big life-and-death discussions of global warming, the datasets and the code that handles them should be in a universal repository that all have access to.</p>
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		<title>By: Oblio</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/11/20/climatology-who-are-the-hoaxers/#comment-134876</link>
		<dc:creator>Oblio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OB is right.  It is time to name names and make the behavior of the editors at &lt;i&gt;Nature&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Science&lt;/i&gt; the issue.  It is indefensible.  Heads should roll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OB is right.  It is time to name names and make the behavior of the editors at <i>Nature</i> and <i>Science</i> the issue.  It is indefensible.  Heads should roll.</p>
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		<title>By: huxley</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/11/20/climatology-who-are-the-hoaxers/#comment-134868</link>
		<dc:creator>huxley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Occam&#039;s Beard: I share your indignation. The scientific establishment has been unforgiveably negligent in not demanding all of the data and methodology to replicate the AGW claims.

In principle it&#039;s the right thing to do; given the stakes, or so we are told, of global cataclysm it&#039;s absolutely a necessity.

Instead the AGW scientists have treated their work like it was a guild secret for solving quartic equations or manufacturing Coca-Cola, something jealously guarded to further their power and remuneration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Occam&#8217;s Beard: I share your indignation. The scientific establishment has been unforgiveably negligent in not demanding all of the data and methodology to replicate the AGW claims.</p>
<p>In principle it&#8217;s the right thing to do; given the stakes, or so we are told, of global cataclysm it&#8217;s absolutely a necessity.</p>
<p>Instead the AGW scientists have treated their work like it was a guild secret for solving quartic equations or manufacturing Coca-Cola, something jealously guarded to further their power and remuneration.</p>
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		<title>By: Occam's Beard</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/11/20/climatology-who-are-the-hoaxers/#comment-134859</link>
		<dc:creator>Occam's Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huxley, yup, AGW is not completely derailed, but it cannot henceforth get away with oracular pronouncements without rock-hard supporting data made publicly available. That&#039;s a huge victory for..uh...truth. If there&#039;s anything to AGW, we need to find out. If it&#039;s crap, we need to find that out too. 

So whoever leaked this stuff has done us all a huge service, because from here out we&#039;ll have the means to make a rational determination of the validity of the AGW assertions. 

Meanwhile, editors of &lt;i&gt;Nature&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Science&lt;/i&gt; should be taken out and shot for incompetence for not insisting on public availability to &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; of the data. Traditionally those data would have been provided as supplementary material; that those editors did not insist on provision of those data as a pre-condition for publication is more than grounds for their termination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huxley, yup, AGW is not completely derailed, but it cannot henceforth get away with oracular pronouncements without rock-hard supporting data made publicly available. That&#8217;s a huge victory for..uh&#8230;truth. If there&#8217;s anything to AGW, we need to find out. If it&#8217;s crap, we need to find that out too. </p>
<p>So whoever leaked this stuff has done us all a huge service, because from here out we&#8217;ll have the means to make a rational determination of the validity of the AGW assertions. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, editors of <i>Nature</i> and <i>Science</i> should be taken out and shot for incompetence for not insisting on public availability to <i>all</i> of the data. Traditionally those data would have been provided as supplementary material; that those editors did not insist on provision of those data as a pre-condition for publication is more than grounds for their termination.</p>
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		<title>By: betsybounds</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/11/20/climatology-who-are-the-hoaxers/#comment-134854</link>
		<dc:creator>betsybounds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see on Drudge that climate change is pushing poor women to prostitution.  Well, it&#039;s certainly pushed some prosperous scientists to prostitution, so why not poor women?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see on Drudge that climate change is pushing poor women to prostitution.  Well, it&#8217;s certainly pushed some prosperous scientists to prostitution, so why not poor women?</p>
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		<title>By: huxley</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/11/20/climatology-who-are-the-hoaxers/#comment-134849</link>
		<dc:creator>huxley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Occam&#039;s Beard: The CRU Hack not enough to derail AGW but it is an easy and nasty pushback any time CRU Team gets uppity or makes claims without providing the full means to replicate or when anyone like Gore or Obama declare that &quot;the science is settled.&quot;

In the meantime it seems that Al Gore has jumped the shark -- here he is being dissed on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thedailybeast.com/video/item/what-up-with-that-snl-skit-with-al-gore/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Saturday Night Live&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Occam&#8217;s Beard: The CRU Hack not enough to derail AGW but it is an easy and nasty pushback any time CRU Team gets uppity or makes claims without providing the full means to replicate or when anyone like Gore or Obama declare that &#8220;the science is settled.&#8221;</p>
<p>In the meantime it seems that Al Gore has jumped the shark &#8212; here he is being dissed on <a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/video/item/what-up-with-that-snl-skit-with-al-gore/" rel="nofollow">Saturday Night Live</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolla Dalbo</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/11/20/climatology-who-are-the-hoaxers/#comment-134848</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolla Dalbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It suddenly occurred to me that this series of videos were strangely appropriate in illustrating our fate if Obama &amp; Co.&#039;s various major initiatives in Health, Energy and Education become law (see http://www.eatmedaily.com/2009/11/deep-fried-turkey-disaster-videos-youre-doing-it-wrong/ ).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It suddenly occurred to me that this series of videos were strangely appropriate in illustrating our fate if Obama &amp; Co.&#8217;s various major initiatives in Health, Energy and Education become law (see <a href="http://www.eatmedaily.com/2009/11/deep-fried-turkey-disaster-videos-youre-doing-it-wrong/" rel="nofollow">http://www.eatmedaily.com/2009/11/deep-fried-turkey-disaster-videos-youre-doing-it-wrong/</a> ).</p>
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		<title>By: betsybounds</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/11/20/climatology-who-are-the-hoaxers/#comment-134847</link>
		<dc:creator>betsybounds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s real, all right.  It&#039;s also bad.  Very bad.

The biggest question I have at this point is why any reasonably alert, sentient being is even vaguely surprised.  These guys have been very open for a long time about their opinion that belief in this tripe is a species of virtue, that inciting general fear and dread of it amongst the population is a necessary tool, and that those who question is should be destroyed--up to and including credential revocation and general professional discrediting.

The only thing remotely surprising to me is that it has taken so long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s real, all right.  It&#8217;s also bad.  Very bad.</p>
<p>The biggest question I have at this point is why any reasonably alert, sentient being is even vaguely surprised.  These guys have been very open for a long time about their opinion that belief in this tripe is a species of virtue, that inciting general fear and dread of it amongst the population is a necessary tool, and that those who question is should be destroyed&#8211;up to and including credential revocation and general professional discrediting.</p>
<p>The only thing remotely surprising to me is that it has taken so long.</p>
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		<title>By: Occam's Beard</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/11/20/climatology-who-are-the-hoaxers/#comment-134844</link>
		<dc:creator>Occam's Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s looking pretty real at this point. The possibility of salting the files with some choice emails can&#039;t yet be discounted, but not even the putative culprits are claiming that. Looks bad. Very bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s looking pretty real at this point. The possibility of salting the files with some choice emails can&#8217;t yet be discounted, but not even the putative culprits are claiming that. Looks bad. Very bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolla Dalbo</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/11/20/climatology-who-are-the-hoaxers/#comment-134831</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolla Dalbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let’s face it.  The far Left has captured our Federal Government, and with the help of its almost total control of the MSM, Academia and Hollywood, is trying to ram its totalitarian and collectivist program through, under the guise of fixing various mostly manufactured and/or grossly exaggerated world-shaking “Crises”; it used to be past crusades over the coming “Ice Age,” then the “Population Bomb,” crusades over things like “DDT and Rachel Carson’s &quot;Silent Spring,&quot;” “Alar on our food,” then, the “Hole in the Ozone Layer,” and recently “Anthropogenic Global Warming,” reframed--now that things are obviously getting colder--as “Climate Change,” as their vehicle in the environmental area, paralleling their crisis vehicles in Health Care, Energy and our Capitalist system.

These &quot;vehicles&quot; have to be fought on two levels—the “science” and the politics. I suspect the hack this weekend was an inside job, else how to know which among so many files to hack?  Whatever the case is, we owe the hacker an enormous debt of gratitude.  

Many of us not being scientists, it is our job to see to the political side, and see how many truly conservative members of Congress and members of state and local governments we can elect, and how many Democrats and RINOS we can defeat.  The vote on the Senate’s health care bill should settle any doubts about the ultimate allegiance of all Democrats to the Democrat’s far Left agenda, however much some Democrats—the Blue Dogs, for instance--talk of their moderation and “doubts.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let’s face it.  The far Left has captured our Federal Government, and with the help of its almost total control of the MSM, Academia and Hollywood, is trying to ram its totalitarian and collectivist program through, under the guise of fixing various mostly manufactured and/or grossly exaggerated world-shaking “Crises”; it used to be past crusades over the coming “Ice Age,” then the “Population Bomb,” crusades over things like “DDT and Rachel Carson’s &#8220;Silent Spring,&#8221;” “Alar on our food,” then, the “Hole in the Ozone Layer,” and recently “Anthropogenic Global Warming,” reframed&#8211;now that things are obviously getting colder&#8211;as “Climate Change,” as their vehicle in the environmental area, paralleling their crisis vehicles in Health Care, Energy and our Capitalist system.</p>
<p>These &#8220;vehicles&#8221; have to be fought on two levels—the “science” and the politics. I suspect the hack this weekend was an inside job, else how to know which among so many files to hack?  Whatever the case is, we owe the hacker an enormous debt of gratitude.  </p>
<p>Many of us not being scientists, it is our job to see to the political side, and see how many truly conservative members of Congress and members of state and local governments we can elect, and how many Democrats and RINOS we can defeat.  The vote on the Senate’s health care bill should settle any doubts about the ultimate allegiance of all Democrats to the Democrat’s far Left agenda, however much some Democrats—the Blue Dogs, for instance&#8211;talk of their moderation and “doubts.”</p>
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