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		<title>By: neo-neocon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/11/21/palin-derangement-sydrome-who-else-can-they-hate/#comment-137328</link>
		<dc:creator>neo-neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce: let&#039;s see, where should I begin?  Oh, maybe with the fact that, if you want to present yourself as a calm and fair person who&#039;s angry at the hatred on &lt;i&gt;both&lt;/i&gt; sides, it&#039;s probably best not to start off with terms such as &quot;teabaggers.&quot;  I&#039;m afraid they give you away.

And one more thing: Sarah Palin is a private citizen right now, and still the vitriol against her continues unabated.  Barack Obama is president, and almost every single policy he has promoted so far has great potential to damage this country and the people in it.  Funny, I don&#039;t see much unprovoked hatred for him on this blog and elsewhere, although I&#039;m sure some exists, as it does for every president.  What I see is deep concern about his agenda, and a desire to stop it from being enacted.  I share this deep concern.  It has nothing to do with hatred or violence and everything to do with policy disagreements, and the belief that he has a hidden agenda.

It&#039;s interesting that, from the beginning of the Obama campaign right up to the present, many people (you, for example) have been harping on the idea that criticism of Obama will spark violence against him.  It&#039;s almost as though you are obsessed with the idea of his martyrdom, and/or wish to stifle criticism.

One more thing: about 99% of my friends are liberals.  Most of them absolutely hate and despise Sarah Palin.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce: let&#8217;s see, where should I begin?  Oh, maybe with the fact that, if you want to present yourself as a calm and fair person who&#8217;s angry at the hatred on <i>both</i> sides, it&#8217;s probably best not to start off with terms such as &#8220;teabaggers.&#8221;  I&#8217;m afraid they give you away.</p>
<p>And one more thing: Sarah Palin is a private citizen right now, and still the vitriol against her continues unabated.  Barack Obama is president, and almost every single policy he has promoted so far has great potential to damage this country and the people in it.  Funny, I don&#8217;t see much unprovoked hatred for him on this blog and elsewhere, although I&#8217;m sure some exists, as it does for every president.  What I see is deep concern about his agenda, and a desire to stop it from being enacted.  I share this deep concern.  It has nothing to do with hatred or violence and everything to do with policy disagreements, and the belief that he has a hidden agenda.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that, from the beginning of the Obama campaign right up to the present, many people (you, for example) have been harping on the idea that criticism of Obama will spark violence against him.  It&#8217;s almost as though you are obsessed with the idea of his martyrdom, and/or wish to stifle criticism.</p>
<p>One more thing: about 99% of my friends are liberals.  Most of them absolutely hate and despise Sarah Palin.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a liberal and I know quite a few others.  I don&#039;t &quot;hate&quot; Palin and I have yet to hear anyone that shares my views say that.  Most people talk about the things she has said and done that indicate a lack of depth and knowledge Most people view her the way Kathleen Parker described her in the National Review:


Palin’s recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.

No one hates saying that more than I do.&quot;

&quot;Palin filibusters. She repeats words, filling space with deadwood.&quot;

She simply is not very well-informed and replaces information with confidence in her judgment.  That is not hateful.  

I looked over your blog and have seen no mention of those on the right the really do &quot;hate&quot; President Obama.  Listen to the vitriol of some of the teabaggers, of Limbaugh, Beck and Coulter.  That is hatred.  And there is much more of it than any eye-rolling, disbelief or dislike that goes in Palin&#039;s directioin.

So, your blog does not seem quite evenhanded on the subject.  I think it ought to be fine to criticize our leaders for their actions and abilities.  But if you are going to worry so about whether people hate Palin, shouldn&#039;t you also worry about that towards the President?  Especially when it can fan the flames of violence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a liberal and I know quite a few others.  I don&#8217;t &#8220;hate&#8221; Palin and I have yet to hear anyone that shares my views say that.  Most people talk about the things she has said and done that indicate a lack of depth and knowledge Most people view her the way Kathleen Parker described her in the National Review:</p>
<p>Palin’s recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.</p>
<p>No one hates saying that more than I do.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Palin filibusters. She repeats words, filling space with deadwood.&#8221;</p>
<p>She simply is not very well-informed and replaces information with confidence in her judgment.  That is not hateful.  </p>
<p>I looked over your blog and have seen no mention of those on the right the really do &#8220;hate&#8221; President Obama.  Listen to the vitriol of some of the teabaggers, of Limbaugh, Beck and Coulter.  That is hatred.  And there is much more of it than any eye-rolling, disbelief or dislike that goes in Palin&#8217;s directioin.</p>
<p>So, your blog does not seem quite evenhanded on the subject.  I think it ought to be fine to criticize our leaders for their actions and abilities.  But if you are going to worry so about whether people hate Palin, shouldn&#8217;t you also worry about that towards the President?  Especially when it can fan the flames of violence?</p>
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		<title>By: br549</title>
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		<dc:creator>br549</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one who no longer doubts that just about anything can happen in politics, and does, I wonder abour McCain&#039;s choice of Palin for a new and different reason. McCain as the chosen front man for the republican ticket never made a particle of sense to me. I would be surprised if I found myself alone in that sentiment. I also don&#039;t think he really wanted to win, don&#039;t think the republicans wanted to win. I believe those in the know, if you will, have long known that what has transpired concerning the bailout and companion crises, was coming to a head this soon. Of course they knew. And maybe Palin was chosen in an effort to nip her in the bud. She was coming, they knew that, too. I don&#039;t think for one five seconds the game on the hill is not all inclusive. I don&#039;t think anyone who comments here does either. We&#039;re all being played like cheap pianos, regardless of where we stand as individuals. I&#039;m all for the broad broom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one who no longer doubts that just about anything can happen in politics, and does, I wonder abour McCain&#8217;s choice of Palin for a new and different reason. McCain as the chosen front man for the republican ticket never made a particle of sense to me. I would be surprised if I found myself alone in that sentiment. I also don&#8217;t think he really wanted to win, don&#8217;t think the republicans wanted to win. I believe those in the know, if you will, have long known that what has transpired concerning the bailout and companion crises, was coming to a head this soon. Of course they knew. And maybe Palin was chosen in an effort to nip her in the bud. She was coming, they knew that, too. I don&#8217;t think for one five seconds the game on the hill is not all inclusive. I don&#8217;t think anyone who comments here does either. We&#8217;re all being played like cheap pianos, regardless of where we stand as individuals. I&#8217;m all for the broad broom.</p>
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		<title>By: spoot</title>
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		<dc:creator>spoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, forgot the link

&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2009/11/23/yes-sarah-there-is-a-media-conspiracy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Matt Taibbi&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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<p><a HREF="http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2009/11/23/yes-sarah-there-is-a-media-conspiracy/" rel="nofollow">Matt Taibbi</a></p>
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		<title>By: spoot</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/11/21/palin-derangement-sydrome-who-else-can-they-hate/#comment-134999</link>
		<dc:creator>spoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I come to this topic late so I don&#039;t know how many will read this comment but oh well.  

I came across Matt Taibbi&#039;s blog entry about the press coverage of Sarah Palin, and thought I&#039;d post a link to it.  Matt, a true Lefty, agrees with all of you about the viciousness of the press coverage of Palin and has a take on why it has become a feeding frenzy.  He thinks it&#039;s because the GOP elites have signal to the mainstream media that they wouldn&#039;t mind her being taking down.

He likens it to the media&#039;s coverage of Howard Dean&#039;s primary campaign against John Kerry on 2004 and how the media destroyed his candidancy after the Iowa caucus.  when the power brokers of the party decide to cut someone loose, they signal the hounds to give chase.

&lt;i&gt;

Now I don&#039;t think Palin can win the presidency but I think she is not shooting for that right now.  I think she wants to become a standard bearer for the disenfranchised Tea baggers of the Right, and she is doing a brilliant job of that so far.  She has touched the heart of this group that feel left out and left behind and so she has become the leader of a crusade of believers.  

What will happen to her, what will happen to her followers, who knows?

I have a sense of how much we have in common, we ordinary citizens of the Left and Right.  We are both without power even though we organize, donate and vote.  It&#039;s like we have the power to mark the ballot and send our candidate to office but then once in power, they never seem to do what we send them to do.  

We all know somethings wrong but we are divided by our solutions.  I think both camp&#039;s solutions are stale, manufactured nostrums that do little but gin up the base for another phony election.  

We were once a nation that faced any challenge with energy and focus.  Now we gridlock over the most irrelevant minutea, spin ourselves into another frustrating and enervating vicious cycle of failure and recrimination.

Vicious cycle indeed.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I come to this topic late so I don&#8217;t know how many will read this comment but oh well.  </p>
<p>I came across Matt Taibbi&#8217;s blog entry about the press coverage of Sarah Palin, and thought I&#8217;d post a link to it.  Matt, a true Lefty, agrees with all of you about the viciousness of the press coverage of Palin and has a take on why it has become a feeding frenzy.  He thinks it&#8217;s because the GOP elites have signal to the mainstream media that they wouldn&#8217;t mind her being taking down.</p>
<p>He likens it to the media&#8217;s coverage of Howard Dean&#8217;s primary campaign against John Kerry on 2004 and how the media destroyed his candidancy after the Iowa caucus.  when the power brokers of the party decide to cut someone loose, they signal the hounds to give chase.</p>
<p><i></p>
<p>Now I don&#8217;t think Palin can win the presidency but I think she is not shooting for that right now.  I think she wants to become a standard bearer for the disenfranchised Tea baggers of the Right, and she is doing a brilliant job of that so far.  She has touched the heart of this group that feel left out and left behind and so she has become the leader of a crusade of believers.  </p>
<p>What will happen to her, what will happen to her followers, who knows?</p>
<p>I have a sense of how much we have in common, we ordinary citizens of the Left and Right.  We are both without power even though we organize, donate and vote.  It&#8217;s like we have the power to mark the ballot and send our candidate to office but then once in power, they never seem to do what we send them to do.  </p>
<p>We all know somethings wrong but we are divided by our solutions.  I think both camp&#8217;s solutions are stale, manufactured nostrums that do little but gin up the base for another phony election.  </p>
<p>We were once a nation that faced any challenge with energy and focus.  Now we gridlock over the most irrelevant minutea, spin ourselves into another frustrating and enervating vicious cycle of failure and recrimination.</p>
<p>Vicious cycle indeed.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Wandriaan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wandriaan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin  has again a very ´soul-full&#039; piece on the website &#039;American Thinker&#039;. &#039; The wilding of Sarah Palin&#039; it is chillingly and appropriately called. It evoked already 96 comments. Many, if not most espouse, often literally, the spirit I recommended in the post above: &#039; we will no longer be bullied into submission by the Orwellian left, we will no longer be quiet and take the vitriol meekly, we will open our mouths and let the chips fall were they may.&#039; Bravo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin  has again a very ´soul-full&#8217; piece on the website &#8216;American Thinker&#8217;. &#8216; The wilding of Sarah Palin&#8217; it is chillingly and appropriately called. It evoked already 96 comments. Many, if not most espouse, often literally, the spirit I recommended in the post above: &#8216; we will no longer be bullied into submission by the Orwellian left, we will no longer be quiet and take the vitriol meekly, we will open our mouths and let the chips fall were they may.&#8217; Bravo!</p>
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		<title>By: JR Dogman</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/11/21/palin-derangement-sydrome-who-else-can-they-hate/#comment-134985</link>
		<dc:creator>JR Dogman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beverly,

I agree that most &quot;liberals&quot; (I much prefer Mark Levin&#039;s term, &quot;statists&quot;, for its accuracy) are well-meaning. Most of my friends, and many of my family members, voted for Obama and have the typical cartoonish view of Bush and Cheney, and most of all of Sarah Palin. But of course they do: they get their news and political commentary from the NY Times, CNN, 60 Minutes, The New Yorker, etc.

You know what blows my mind more than anything? The things these people don&#039;t know; the extent to which the MSM&#039;s obfuscation of major stories on so many subjects directly affects their lives. The effect is profound: even when scraps of stories somehow slip by the MSM filter, they remain just that, scraps of information, disconnected from the larger picture of which they are part. 

It is for this reason that so many people like my friends and family members could hear about Jeremiah Wright, yet convince themselves that he did not signify what he clearly did about candidate Obama. Because Bill Ayers didn&#039;t run a church Obama attended, and the connection between him and Obama wasn&#039;t so dramatic, the MSM was able to keep its extent and significance from the larger public view. Thus Wright + Ayers (and Phleger and Khalidi, and many others) was a calculation that never took place in most people&#039;s minds. 

In so many instances, people like my friends and family would have to have actively sought information out about Obama (a) that they really didn&#039;t want to hear to begin with, because if they did they would feel compelled, morally and as patriotic Americans, to vote against Obama (or at least to not vote for him), and (b) that would have required them to go poking around the Internet on sites so unfamiliar as to bolster their inclinations described in (a). Who is this Neo-neocon, who are these people at this site Hot Air, that I should believe their characterization of the venerable NY Times and 60 Minutes as unreliable and dishonest?

It&#039;s a vicious cycle, when you get right down to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beverly,</p>
<p>I agree that most &#8220;liberals&#8221; (I much prefer Mark Levin&#8217;s term, &#8220;statists&#8221;, for its accuracy) are well-meaning. Most of my friends, and many of my family members, voted for Obama and have the typical cartoonish view of Bush and Cheney, and most of all of Sarah Palin. But of course they do: they get their news and political commentary from the NY Times, CNN, 60 Minutes, The New Yorker, etc.</p>
<p>You know what blows my mind more than anything? The things these people don&#8217;t know; the extent to which the MSM&#8217;s obfuscation of major stories on so many subjects directly affects their lives. The effect is profound: even when scraps of stories somehow slip by the MSM filter, they remain just that, scraps of information, disconnected from the larger picture of which they are part. </p>
<p>It is for this reason that so many people like my friends and family members could hear about Jeremiah Wright, yet convince themselves that he did not signify what he clearly did about candidate Obama. Because Bill Ayers didn&#8217;t run a church Obama attended, and the connection between him and Obama wasn&#8217;t so dramatic, the MSM was able to keep its extent and significance from the larger public view. Thus Wright + Ayers (and Phleger and Khalidi, and many others) was a calculation that never took place in most people&#8217;s minds. </p>
<p>In so many instances, people like my friends and family would have to have actively sought information out about Obama (a) that they really didn&#8217;t want to hear to begin with, because if they did they would feel compelled, morally and as patriotic Americans, to vote against Obama (or at least to not vote for him), and (b) that would have required them to go poking around the Internet on sites so unfamiliar as to bolster their inclinations described in (a). Who is this Neo-neocon, who are these people at this site Hot Air, that I should believe their characterization of the venerable NY Times and 60 Minutes as unreliable and dishonest?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a vicious cycle, when you get right down to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Beverly</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/11/21/palin-derangement-sydrome-who-else-can-they-hate/#comment-134972</link>
		<dc:creator>Beverly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thought: We need to win the battle for &lt;i&gt;hearts&lt;/i&gt; as well as minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thought: We need to win the battle for <i>hearts</i> as well as minds.</p>
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		<title>By: Beverly</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/11/21/palin-derangement-sydrome-who-else-can-they-hate/#comment-134971</link>
		<dc:creator>Beverly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JR Dogman: Yes, exactly. As an ex-Dem, I have to say you&#039;ve expressed the belief system of the woo-woo liberals perfectly (the apparently well-meaning ones who are rather nice in their personal lives, and who invest in the Utopian religion almost entirely on an emotional basis).

The Uber-Leftists who control the levers of power, however, are of a very different, much darker mindset. As I&#039;m sure you know. They are Sinister indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JR Dogman: Yes, exactly. As an ex-Dem, I have to say you&#8217;ve expressed the belief system of the woo-woo liberals perfectly (the apparently well-meaning ones who are rather nice in their personal lives, and who invest in the Utopian religion almost entirely on an emotional basis).</p>
<p>The Uber-Leftists who control the levers of power, however, are of a very different, much darker mindset. As I&#8217;m sure you know. They are Sinister indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Beverly</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2009/11/21/palin-derangement-sydrome-who-else-can-they-hate/#comment-134970</link>
		<dc:creator>Beverly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wandriaan: &lt;b&gt;&quot;The flight from freedom is a perpetual danger.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

YES. We should have this sentence on the masthead of every single conservative blog. IN A NUTSHELL, baby!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wandriaan: <b>&#8220;The flight from freedom is a perpetual danger.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>YES. We should have this sentence on the masthead of every single conservative blog. IN A NUTSHELL, baby!</p>
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