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]]> By: Mike http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/02/anne-frank-are-people-good-at-heart/#comment-136451 Mike Mon, 07 Dec 2009 01:34:42 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/02/anne-frank-are-people-good-at-heart/#comment-136451 To Artfldgr, This is an old post and you may not read it but I wanted to comment on a couple of points, just to clarify some points. Not to change your mind but to give you a point of view from my perspective. I'm not saying it is the right point of view, only that it is my point of view. ************************* "i wasnt belittling anne… or the jews… i was trying to find a small space and time for others. and obviously, others are not to be brought up. so how should i go about it? did you read about her the other times i posted her name? how about the other woman? (arrested in the 60s!!! as it was still going on). " ************************* This is not a static bunch of readers, buy a dynamic one. Your comment "did you read about her the other times i posted her name?" Says much. And had I known about your prior posts, I probably would not have been a bit hostle to your comments. But from my point of view, this set of comments was the first time I was introduced to Ruta U.. ***************************************** "yeah, i know… who cares about communists… did everyone show me they care? i said that people care MORE if its jewish, not less… did the responses show me differently?" ************************************ I think you are drawing conclusions based on your knowledge and beliefs and not on the knowledge and beliefs of your readers. A victim is a victim to me. It makes no difference if they are a Jewish victim of WWII or a Rwanda victim of 1994 or a victim in the Sudan in 2009. I read Neo's article and found it interesting that there was more to Anne Frank view of life than the 1960's movie version that I remember seeing as a child. If she had written about Rwanda, I would have had the same interest in broadening my knowledge of the victims in that tragedy. Had a Jewish person commented on the need to focus on Anne, they would have gotten the same response that I gave to you. You see, I don't disagree with you that the people in Russia and China are worse or just as bad as Hitler and his ilk, but the general population doesn't even have the simple knowledge of where the countries are, let alone their politics. But I don't let it become the focus of my life. I don't much like it when the "Jewish/Acedemic intelligencia" complain about Pius XII being "Hitler's Pope", but that does not affect my view of Anne Frank. The intelligencia are free to foolishly believe what they want. My only thought is, if the pope was so bad and uncaring in their view looking back 40 yrs, why did the Chief Rabbi of Rome convert and take Pius'name in his time in his time period? I opt for the Rabbi's point of view. But their problem is there problem, I'm not interested in their beliefs, no matter how much they believe them. Well I've rambled on enough. In looking back on your last comment, if I've offended you, I'm sorry. It was not my intent. And while I may not fully agree with your position, I can better see how you have come to it. If you or Neo write a piece on Ruta U, I will read it with the same interest that I read Neo's piece on Anne. To Artfldgr,
This is an old post and you may not read it but I wanted to comment on a couple of points, just to clarify some points. Not to change your mind but to give you a point of view from my perspective. I’m not saying it is the right point of view, only that it is my point of view.
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“i wasnt belittling anne…
or the jews…
i was trying to find a small space and time for others. and obviously, others are not to be brought up.
so how should i go about it? did you read about her the other times i posted her name? how about the other woman? (arrested in the 60s!!! as it was still going on). ”
*************************
This is not a static bunch of readers, buy a dynamic one. Your comment “did you read about her the other times i posted her name?”
Says much. And had I known about your prior posts, I probably would not have been a bit hostle to your comments. But from my point of view, this set of comments was the first time I was introduced to Ruta U..
*****************************************
“yeah, i know… who cares about communists…
did everyone show me they care? i said that people care MORE if its jewish, not less…
did the responses show me differently?”
************************************
I think you are drawing conclusions based on your knowledge and beliefs and not on the knowledge and beliefs of your readers. A victim is a victim to me. It makes no difference if they are a Jewish victim of WWII or a Rwanda victim of 1994 or a victim in the Sudan in 2009. I read Neo’s article and found it interesting that there was more to Anne Frank view of life than the 1960′s movie version that I remember seeing as a child. If she had written about Rwanda, I would have had the same interest in broadening my knowledge of the victims in that tragedy. Had a Jewish person commented on the need to focus on Anne, they would have gotten the same response that I gave to you. You see, I don’t disagree with you that the people in Russia and China are worse or just as bad as Hitler and his ilk, but the general population doesn’t even have the simple knowledge of where the countries are, let alone their politics.
But I don’t let it become the focus of my life.
I don’t much like it when the “Jewish/Acedemic intelligencia” complain about Pius XII being “Hitler’s Pope”, but that does not affect my view of Anne Frank. The intelligencia are free to foolishly believe what they want. My only thought is, if the pope was so bad and uncaring in their view looking back 40 yrs, why did the Chief Rabbi of Rome convert and take Pius’name in his time in his time period? I opt for the Rabbi’s point of view. But their problem is there problem, I’m not interested in their beliefs, no matter how much they believe them.
Well I’ve rambled on enough. In looking back on your last comment, if I’ve offended you, I’m sorry. It was not my intent. And while I may not fully agree with your position, I can better see how you have come to it. If you or Neo write a piece on Ruta U, I will read it with the same interest that I read Neo’s piece on Anne.

]]> By: Tarragon Rose http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/02/anne-frank-are-people-good-at-heart/#comment-136199 Tarragon Rose Sat, 05 Dec 2009 04:19:06 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/02/anne-frank-are-people-good-at-heart/#comment-136199 Artfldgr, actually, I did go to Amazon.com, searched for the book about Ruta, found some available from the used book sellers (it seems to be out of print), and added a copy to my shopping cart. I will read it, and my students will hear of it every semester from now until the day I retire. So I want to thank you for letting me know about it. Artfldgr, actually, I did go to Amazon.com, searched for the book about Ruta, found some available from the used book sellers (it seems to be out of print), and added a copy to my shopping cart. I will read it, and my students will hear of it every semester from now until the day I retire. So I want to thank you for letting me know about it.

]]> By: vanderleun http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/02/anne-frank-are-people-good-at-heart/#comment-136165 vanderleun Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:32:46 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/02/anne-frank-are-people-good-at-heart/#comment-136165 Artfldgr asks, "why is it a brick bat to say no one cares? thats what i said.. and the response wasnt yes we care.. yes we want to learn" One of the last lessons we ever learn, and one that will be repeated by life until we do learn it, is that "people" care about what they care about and will not care about what you want them to care about. That's just how it is. That is the hard reality. That is the elemental truth of human caring that operates like the force of gravity. An even more adamantine truth is that the more you try to "force" them to care they less they will care even while assuring you that they do care. As was said in a pre-school long long ago, "You git what you git and you don't throw a fit." When you tell me to care I have to tell you that I couldn't care less.... even when I do care. Artfldgr asks,

“why is it a brick bat to say no one cares?
thats what i said..
and the response wasnt yes we care..
yes we want to learn”

One of the last lessons we ever learn, and one that will be repeated by life until we do learn it, is that “people” care about what they care about and will not care about what you want them to care about.

That’s just how it is. That is the hard reality. That is the elemental truth of human caring that operates like the force of gravity.

An even more adamantine truth is that the more you try to “force” them to care they less they will care even while assuring you that they do care.

As was said in a pre-school long long ago, “You git what you git and you don’t throw a fit.”

When you tell me to care I have to tell you that I couldn’t care less…. even when I do care.

]]> By: neo-neocon http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/02/anne-frank-are-people-good-at-heart/#comment-136161 neo-neocon Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:20:52 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/02/anne-frank-are-people-good-at-heart/#comment-136161 Artfldgr: I thought of another reason the Holocaust may have gotten more worldwide attention than the Gulag. The Gulag was huge and claimed many victims, but it was an internal Soviet enterprise. The Soviet Union had swallowed up many nations, of course, but they were Eastern European nations that most people in Western Europe and America were not all that familiar with. But the Nazis conquered the bulk of Western Europe (and much of Eastern Europe), and took the Jews from almost all the countries they occupied and sent them to work and/or death camps. Therefore, much of the population of Western and Eastern Europe was complicit in the crime, to a greater or lesser extent, depending on the country and the situation. Some were complicit through cooperation, others by not doing enough to prevent it, others by looking away (even the US could have saved more Jews by granting visas, and for the most part did not). And some, of course, were heroes and rescuers, as we've discussed here. But most people in Europe, especially Western Europe, probably had an "up close and personal" attitude towards the Holocaust, and needed to explain and confront their own guilt or innocence. In contrast, the Gulag was more self-contained, and less personal to European and American onlookers. Artfldgr: I thought of another reason the Holocaust may have gotten more worldwide attention than the Gulag.

The Gulag was huge and claimed many victims, but it was an internal Soviet enterprise. The Soviet Union had swallowed up many nations, of course, but they were Eastern European nations that most people in Western Europe and America were not all that familiar with. But the Nazis conquered the bulk of Western Europe (and much of Eastern Europe), and took the Jews from almost all the countries they occupied and sent them to work and/or death camps.

Therefore, much of the population of Western and Eastern Europe was complicit in the crime, to a greater or lesser extent, depending on the country and the situation. Some were complicit through cooperation, others by not doing enough to prevent it, others by looking away (even the US could have saved more Jews by granting visas, and for the most part did not). And some, of course, were heroes and rescuers, as we’ve discussed here.

But most people in Europe, especially Western Europe, probably had an “up close and personal” attitude towards the Holocaust, and needed to explain and confront their own guilt or innocence. In contrast, the Gulag was more self-contained, and less personal to European and American onlookers.

]]> By: Artfldgr http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/02/anne-frank-are-people-good-at-heart/#comment-136160 Artfldgr Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:05:18 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/02/anne-frank-are-people-good-at-heart/#comment-136160 I would have prefered you talk more about Ruta U than throwing brickbats. i would... no one asked. they wanted only anne.. why is it a brick bat to say no one cares? thats what i said.. and the response wasnt yes we care.. yes we want to learn neoneocon.com/2009/12/02/anne-frank-are-people-good-at-heart/#comment-135773 go ahead, read it again. i said that people dont care.. i didnt say the jews didnt care, did i? here are all the phrases.. for an alternative read that makes anne not so special try [here i recognize that when things stand together, it seems to diminish the unique one] <i>yeah, i know, she isnt jewish, so no one cares… but its a short book and more interesting because it has to do with soviet occupation… yeah, i know… who cares about communists… </i> did everyone show me they care? i said that people care MORE if its jewish, not less... did the responses show me differently? no.. they confirmed that the german nazi story was as i said. more important to them... they confirmed that they dont really care as much about the communist attrocities.. was i wrong in what i said, or did people not liek the truth they didnt like? if they cared would i have felt the need to put up more and make an argument? hows this for an example of caring... http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/17/those-paranoid-conservatives-who-are-you-calling-deranged/ http://neoneocon.com/2008/08/04/rip-solzhenitsyn/ http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/13/mamet-the-end-of-the-beginning/ http://neoneocon.com/2008/11/18/jonestown-reflections-30-years-later/ http://neoneocon.com/2009/02/26/learning-from-history-is-it-possible/ http://neoneocon.com/2009/02/17/a-milestone-for-a-heroine-miep-gies/ http://neoneocon.com/2009/01/05/maus-and-memory/ those are the other times i mentioned her.. did anyone remember? did anyone try to read. maybe i think they dont care, because they act like they dont care. and what they dont like most is knowing they dont care, when they want to care. mentioned 8 times in total... no one read it. and on the 8th time i said people dont care. and THAT got them... <i>Comparitively speaking, Anne had it easy… </i> maybe thats what got peoples goat... but anne spent most of this horrible time in an attick... the whole war was less than 10 years.. and the final solution was less than 5.. upite was taken younger than anne, was sent to siberia, and stayed there for over 20 years. to me thats harder... maybe not to you. maybe not to neo.. but its an opinion... <i>this list has tons more that we are ignorant of. going to anne is not as informative as going to these other sources.. why? because the people who did anne, are gone. the people who did ruta, cemina, and others, are still in office, and leading the countries. our leaders freinds are stalinists and maoists. they admire the soviets, not the fascists. they COPY soviets… </i> and thats the last thing i said.. where is the brick bat where is the requirement of jews to include others where is the contest? (my opinion that being several decades tortured is worse than a couple of years tortured, i was being factual, not competitive) the next post said <i>Artfl, the Jews have done very well keeping memory alive. It has not been at the expense of other victims, so don’t begrudge them their effort.</i> read my statements.. where did i begrudge them? that anne didnt suffer more? (martyr syndrome?) go ahead... go back and read MY words. by the way, there were no minds to change nothing i said was a argument to change minds it was statements of fact as i see them and now seem quite confirmed.. what was protected was annes image and position, by trying to bring up someone else i threatened that. I would have prefered you talk more about Ruta U than throwing brickbats.

i would… no one asked.
they wanted only anne..

why is it a brick bat to say no one cares?
thats what i said..
and the response wasnt yes we care..
yes we want to learn

neoneocon.com/2009/12/02/anne-frank-are-people-good-at-heart/#comment-135773

go ahead, read it again.
i said that people dont care..
i didnt say the jews didnt care, did i?

here are all the phrases..

for an alternative read that makes anne not so special try

[here i recognize that when things stand together, it seems to diminish the unique one]

yeah, i know, she isnt jewish, so no one cares…
but its a short book and more interesting because it has to do with soviet occupation…

yeah, i know… who cares about communists…

did everyone show me they care? i said that people care MORE if its jewish, not less…
did the responses show me differently?

no.. they confirmed that the german nazi story was as i said. more important to them… they confirmed that they dont really care as much about the communist attrocities..

was i wrong in what i said, or did people not liek the truth they didnt like?

if they cared would i have felt the need to put up more and make an argument?
hows this for an example of caring…

http://neoneocon.com/2009/10/17/those-paranoid-conservatives-who-are-you-calling-deranged/

http://neoneocon.com/2008/08/04/rip-solzhenitsyn/

http://neoneocon.com/2008/03/13/mamet-the-end-of-the-beginning/

http://neoneocon.com/2008/11/18/jonestown-reflections-30-years-later/

http://neoneocon.com/2009/02/26/learning-from-history-is-it-possible/

http://neoneocon.com/2009/02/17/a-milestone-for-a-heroine-miep-gies/

http://neoneocon.com/2009/01/05/maus-and-memory/

those are the other times i mentioned her..
did anyone remember? did anyone try to read.

maybe i think they dont care, because they act like they dont care. and what they dont like most is knowing they dont care, when they want to care.

mentioned 8 times in total… no one read it.
and on the 8th time i said people dont care.
and THAT got them…

Comparitively speaking, Anne had it easy…

maybe thats what got peoples goat… but anne spent most of this horrible time in an attick… the whole war was less than 10 years.. and the final solution was less than 5..

upite was taken younger than anne, was sent to siberia, and stayed there for over 20 years.

to me thats harder… maybe not to you.
maybe not to neo.. but its an opinion…

this list has tons more that we are ignorant of.

going to anne is not as informative as going to these other sources..

why?

because the people who did anne, are gone.
the people who did ruta, cemina, and others, are still in office, and leading the countries.

our leaders freinds are stalinists and maoists.
they admire the soviets, not the fascists.
they COPY soviets…

and thats the last thing i said..

where is the brick bat
where is the requirement of jews to include others
where is the contest?
(my opinion that being several decades tortured is worse than a couple of years tortured, i was being factual, not competitive)

the next post said
Artfl, the Jews have done very well keeping memory alive. It has not been at the expense of other victims, so don’t begrudge them their effort.

read my statements.. where did i begrudge them?
that anne didnt suffer more? (martyr syndrome?)

go ahead… go back and read MY words.

by the way, there were no minds to change
nothing i said was a argument to change minds
it was statements of fact as i see them
and now seem quite confirmed..

what was protected was annes image and position, by trying to bring up someone else i threatened that.

]]> By: neo-neocon http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/02/anne-frank-are-people-good-at-heart/#comment-136153 neo-neocon Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:50:46 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/02/anne-frank-are-people-good-at-heart/#comment-136153 Artflgr: Why are Nazi atrocities better known than Stalin's? It's a good question, and I'll make an attempt at an answer. They occurred in the context of a <i>hot</i> war in which we were heavily involved. Then at the end, Americans helped liberate the camps and discovered some of the terrible evidence, and the Allies (under Eisenhower) made sure word got out by making documentary films that were extremely shocking and graphic. The Gulag and other of Stalin's atrocities (the famine, for example) happened when we were not exactly at war with the country---a cold war is inherently much less dramatic than a hot one. Nor was there some dramatic liberation that we accomplished (unless you count the tearing down of the Berlin Wall---which did get quite a bit of attention because of its drama). And the slow pace of the whole thing (70 years vs. 5, as you say) made it seem <i>less</i> intense to the outside onlooker, not more, even though that may seem paradoxical. Books such as <i>The Gulag Archipelago</i> were well received, but it was a very very long work and largely unread. Holocaust literature tends to be shorter and more dramatic, and ultimately more readable. In addition the leftist elements in our press (Duranty comes to mind) had an interest in covering up the Soviet crimes. <a href="http://neoneocon.com/2005/12/28/ten-worst-americans/" rel="nofollow">Here</a> I refer to Duranty as one of the ten worst Americans ever, for his efforts in that direction. But how many people have even heard of him? Artflgr: Why are Nazi atrocities better known than Stalin’s? It’s a good question, and I’ll make an attempt at an answer.

They occurred in the context of a hot war in which we were heavily involved. Then at the end, Americans helped liberate the camps and discovered some of the terrible evidence, and the Allies (under Eisenhower) made sure word got out by making documentary films that were extremely shocking and graphic.

The Gulag and other of Stalin’s atrocities (the famine, for example) happened when we were not exactly at war with the country—a cold war is inherently much less dramatic than a hot one. Nor was there some dramatic liberation that we accomplished (unless you count the tearing down of the Berlin Wall—which did get quite a bit of attention because of its drama). And the slow pace of the whole thing (70 years vs. 5, as you say) made it seem less intense to the outside onlooker, not more, even though that may seem paradoxical.

Books such as The Gulag Archipelago were well received, but it was a very very long work and largely unread. Holocaust literature tends to be shorter and more dramatic, and ultimately more readable. In addition the leftist elements in our press (Duranty comes to mind) had an interest in covering up the Soviet crimes.

Here I refer to Duranty as one of the ten worst Americans ever, for his efforts in that direction. But how many people have even heard of him?

]]> By: Artfldgr http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/02/anne-frank-are-people-good-at-heart/#comment-136152 Artfldgr Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:46:34 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/02/anne-frank-are-people-good-at-heart/#comment-136152 by the way... i didnt say the jews should i said that <b>since</b> they dont, i do... just like others say its the ukrains should do it, or this other group does or not. duh.. thats what i am doing... this is the response you get, and this is the effect i said that keeps the other stories at bay. bottom line... no one will bother... by the way…
i didnt say the jews should
i said that since they dont, i do…

just like others say its the ukrains should do it, or this other group does or not.

duh.. thats what i am doing…

this is the response you get, and this is the effect i said that keeps the other stories at bay.

bottom line…
no one will bother…

]]> By: Artfldgr http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/02/anne-frank-are-people-good-at-heart/#comment-136148 Artfldgr Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:40:57 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/02/anne-frank-are-people-good-at-heart/#comment-136148 fine.. i apologize.. when they talk of anne i will not say anything. i guess thats better... tarragon rose, and others do understand what i am saying...and they do understand that i am not diminishing what is known.. i am disparaging that we WANT to remain ignorant... we want certain things to be special... if they become common, if we knew that there were 1000 annes... and another 1000 someplace else... it feels like we are diminishing the one unique one. cant help that. thats relativism, where two absolutes cant stand next to each other whole, but have to add up to one value... and in that view, the podium has to be taken alone. so i apologize.. she can have the podium alone.. only the winner can stand alone, no? it was a contest, and you guys won... saying it wasnt doesnt make is so, sharing the winners circle does. fine.. i apologize..
when they talk of anne i will not say anything.

i guess thats better…

tarragon rose, and others do understand what i am saying…and they do understand that i am not diminishing what is known.. i am disparaging that we WANT to remain ignorant… we want certain things to be special… if they become common, if we knew that there were 1000 annes… and another 1000 someplace else… it feels like we are diminishing the one unique one.

cant help that. thats relativism, where two absolutes cant stand next to each other whole, but have to add up to one value… and in that view, the podium has to be taken alone.

so i apologize..
she can have the podium alone..
only the winner can stand alone, no?

it was a contest, and you guys won…
saying it wasnt doesnt make is so, sharing the winners circle does.

]]> By: Artfldgr http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/02/anne-frank-are-people-good-at-heart/#comment-136147 Artfldgr Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:34:43 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/02/anne-frank-are-people-good-at-heart/#comment-136147 <i></i><i>But you seem to think to the more Anne’s story is talked about the less Ruta U’s story is important. So you spend your energy and effort trying to tear down or belittle Anne’s story in the hope that it will build up Ruta’s. First impressions tend to stick, and while I may read up on Rutas story, its effect will be somewhat diminished due to your brickbats about Anne and the Jews. </i> i wasnt belittling anne... or the jews... i was trying to find a small space and time for others. and obviously, others are not to be brought up. so how should i go about it? did you read about her the other times i posted her name? how about the other woman? (arrested in the 60s!!! as it was still going on). its funny, but my very good isreali friend, doesnt think i think the way that i am being taken here. even HE gets tired of hearing one focus to the exclusions of others. however, do we want a history that is incomplete. do we want people to think that they were canaries in a coal mine, or that they came later. the truth is they came later, and they should be ANGRIER that the world knew and let it happen anyway. go ahead, punish me by not reading or regarding ruta. you wouldnt have known her anyway without this... and even if you read it and dont regard it, thats better than before.. honest hands, prior to my words how many here knew about Ruta Upite? how many knew about anne? there is one book by Ruta. there are hundreds of books about anne. all i am saying is that its time to expand beyond the one subject.. beyond what has been known for 50 years... if you think that anne sharing the podium with someone else and other ghosts diminishes her, then thats your problem... i dont think that having all the victims stand up and be noted diminished anything. i am comparing 70 years of such behavior, to 5 years of such behavior... there is plenty of evidence that such things are still going on... but alas... hitler is gone... why look to the others. like before hitler, we went back to sleep. hows that help us now? I have long wondered why Nazi atrocities are so much better known than Communist atrocities. Every semester, I lecture on Stalin, the Ukrainian famine, and the GULAG, and every semester, students indicate they have never heard of any of this. well, look what happens when you try to bring it up in a common conversation. if i didnt, and even if i do, its still going to remain in ignorance since they still arent going to go read any of it. But you seem to think to the more Anne’s story is talked about the less Ruta U’s story is important. So you spend your energy and effort trying to tear down or belittle Anne’s story in the hope that it will build up Ruta’s. First impressions tend to stick, and while I may read up on Rutas story, its effect will be somewhat diminished due to your brickbats about Anne and the Jews.

i wasnt belittling anne…
or the jews…

i was trying to find a small space and time for others. and obviously, others are not to be brought up.

so how should i go about it? did you read about her the other times i posted her name? how about the other woman? (arrested in the 60s!!! as it was still going on).

its funny, but my very good isreali friend, doesnt think i think the way that i am being taken here. even HE gets tired of hearing one focus to the exclusions of others.

however, do we want a history that is incomplete. do we want people to think that they were canaries in a coal mine, or that they came later.

the truth is they came later, and they should be ANGRIER that the world knew and let it happen anyway.

go ahead, punish me by not reading or regarding ruta. you wouldnt have known her anyway without this… and even if you read it and dont regard it, thats better than before..

honest hands, prior to my words how many here knew about Ruta Upite?

how many knew about anne?

there is one book by Ruta.
there are hundreds of books about anne.

all i am saying is that its time to expand beyond the one subject.. beyond what has been known for 50 years…

if you think that anne sharing the podium with someone else and other ghosts diminishes her, then thats your problem… i dont think that having all the victims stand up and be noted diminished anything.

i am comparing 70 years of such behavior, to 5 years of such behavior…

there is plenty of evidence that such things are still going on… but alas… hitler is gone… why look to the others. like before hitler, we went back to sleep.

hows that help us now?

I have long wondered why Nazi atrocities are so much better known than Communist atrocities. Every semester, I lecture on Stalin, the Ukrainian famine, and the GULAG, and every semester, students indicate they have never heard of any of this.

well, look what happens when you try to bring it up in a common conversation.

if i didnt, and even if i do, its still going to remain in ignorance since they still arent going to go read any of it.

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