Did Obama save himself?
neoneocon.com/2008/03/18/did-obama-save-himself/#comment-61320

they dont need strength to beat the attriction game. the alligator just holds the animal underwater and holds its breath. eventually it cant keep it up, it leaves, and weapons pour in and the place changes back.

all you arm chair generals seem to STINK

if al queda wanted us out, they only have to stop for three months… call off all actions… voila, we leave faster than a bat out of heck.

i keep explaining this, but its like talking to students who have been given terrible facts, and they keep presenting them over and over and over.

they WANT the US in the country.
they WANT the US to stay indifinitely.
they control us by controlling conflict initiation

its as simple as listening to mohamed!

If Mohammed will not go to the mountain, the mountain must come to Mohammed.
something that you say which means that if someone will not come to you, you have to go to them

Usage notes: This phrase comes from a story about Mohammed who was asked to show how powerful he was by making a mountain come to him.

if AQ cant load up military ships, and invade the USA to get access to the people to fight them…

then they have to get us to come there to be attacked and then lose through attrition.

and obamas minimalist plays, as in vietnam, are exactly what needs to be done by an enemy in order for attritional losing.

that is, if you meet force with just enough force, you tie, and if you tie, you have stalemate, and if you have stalemate…

the more expensive costlier side loses.

he is PLANNING TO LOSE and its clear to someone that knows REAL tactics and REAL strategies and how people really naturally act.

its irrelevent if he is being played, or he was taught losing tactics as winning ones.
the end result is the same.

but i know if we give it a good label we will think it differently.

anyone notice that someones been teaching them?

[and that the reason they are not doing anything here stateside is that its counter to ends. an action here (like mumbai) would solidify out resolve. they didnt want that, they just wanted us to send troops over there that they can kill cheaply while running up our tab. but obama showed them, he ran up the tab much larger for nothing]

I was also mainly being tongue-in-cheek. Nobody really expects Muslim fundamentalists morph into accomplished thinkers, lovers and philosophers. But that’s not even the point. We must lay out a plan and a strategy that reflects reality. The therapy part and corruption angle included.

Ultimately there is only one solution: leave or abandon the power struggle inherent to your culture and become truly a Free and Defender of America and her Constitution, instead.

All existing mosques can be transformed into Turkish Baths or Tea-rooms. Most Imams sent back to Mecca. or Jail.

Something has to be done, don’t you agree? I believe in the power of ideas and words when the words are right.

It takes a lifetime to reach the light, and many losses too. Without free, courageous, loving souls, there is no reaching the truth, nor solution to peace, only another war. The second condition for this battle to succeed is to enlighten and awaken as many citizens/patriots as possible. Something our modern technology has provided us. And this too:

Already, America is not the same anymore. Tea Parties and Townhall protests have changed the equation forever. Politicians and pundits and journalists and actors have been seen in a not such bright light lately. And patriots across the globe are working quietly or not so quietly towards the same goal: we want our freedom back. And money too.

We should rejoice and understand our new gained power. In any case, let’s stop fighting each others and unite because the real change and the real hope is in the air and coming our way. If we can see it. And I believe all Patriots do. We have no other choice than face the music. And “We The People” have finally the easy spot this time around.

Love And Merry Christmas to Everyone!!!

In addition to the points made above about the Taliban (if I were in the Taliban, I’d take an 18 month vacation), consider the Afghan peasant caught in the middle.

Cooperate with the US, which will be gone in 18 months? With the Taliban keeping track of who is doing so, and putting them on their “To Do” list? You’d have to be out of your mind to assist in the slightest way.

Consider also Mitsu’s point, which was less delusional than normal, that Obama threw out the 18 month notion as a political sop that he will backtrack on if need be. If so, then in essence Obama will withdraw the troops in less than 18 months, in 18 months, or in more than 18 months, i.e., he said nothing. All he did was guarantee that Afghanistan will remain unresolved for 18 months. What an idiot!

Bring back Jimmy Carter!

I believe such particular ways of viewing Islam and Muslims are all Muslim propaganda—part of the “disinformation” side of the Jihad–designed to confuse and disarm us unbelievers, to make us believe that the mortal threat all unbelievers face from Islam and its Jihad is much less lethal, is not accelerating and spreading, is not as subversive, fundamental, strong, substantial, enduring, and existential as it really is.

I would say, rather, that the majority of Muslims are very well aware of the imperatives of Islam and of Allah’s, the Qur’an’s and Muhammad’s command to pursue Jihad, of the division of the world into two eternally warring camps—the House of Islam and the House of War (that would be us “unbelievers,” those who yet remain unconquered by Islam) and Islam’s imperative to conquer the House of War, but are sitting on the fence, observing; that the majority of Muslims cannot “go on Jihad,” because of age, circumstance and/or temperament, but that even individual Muslims who are young and healthy and so inclined, are not yet quite ready to actively, physically jump into the fray in great numbers; for now, they let the small number of extremely radical, young hotheads take point. But the imperative commands of Allah, Muhammad, the Qur’an, Islam and the Jihad remain, and when the time is right, the rest will pile on.

Some unknown percentage of Muslims, I am sure, may have the inclination to just observe the small religious core of the military-political ideology that is Islam—the “Five Pillars,” and/or never join the fray, but Islam has a very efficient 1,400 years old policing mechanism, and it works—from social pressure, to ostracism, and on up through torture and including death at the hands of fundamentalist enforcers—to discourage dissent or leaving Islam, so that, except in the case of a handful of exceptionally brave or foolhardy individual Muslims out of 1.3 billion or so Muslims, Muslims do not and will not voice any dissent.

Islamic law allows for various categories of Muslims unable to pursue physical Jihad—the old, the infirm, the insane, the very young (although these exemptions are very often ignored in practice, as we have seen in recent years) to, instead, support it financially, and I am sure they do, as does all the Umma. The Muslim community (the Umma) also provides major support for Jihad by their silence, their blame deflecting tactics, and their lack of condemnation of Muslim terrorist attacks. But, most importantly, they also support the Jihad by their constant “peaceful” pressure on unbeliever societies they settle in (as Saudi textbooks tell them, Muslims in the House of War should regard themselves as “scouts behind enemy lines”)—financial, political and legal–for “accommodations” to Islamic practice and law, so that—for the present in America—these are their major contributions to the Jihad.

The types, techniques and stages of Muslim’s Jihad against all unbelievers and their societies and governments—both violent and apparently “peaceful”–are well illustrated by ancient, medieval, and modern history.

As others have noted (see for instance here http://www.francesandfriends.org/content/tactics-islam), as the percentage of the Muslim population in a country grows, Muslim activities, agitation, demands, and influence become more wide-spread and Muslim actions more openly violent in nature, until they are mostly violent, and the overthrow of the unbeliever society is achieved; we have not yet reached this point, but, arguably, many countries in Europe are fast approaching that critical juncture.

Given this situation, this history, these facts, it is obvious that an immediate and permanent ban on any further immigration by Muslims into the U.S. is our own first “unbeliever” imperative, the first step of many if we are to avoid the inevitable, massive amount of turmoil, danger and bloodshed that Muslims bring wherever they “settle” i.e. invade, colonize, parasitize, and attempt to overthrow and conquer the unbeliever countries that together constitute the “free-fire zone” that is the “House of War.”

The war in Afghanistan is a “distraction”, in that Obama is momentarily forced to focus on something other than his tax and spend agenda. During the campaign any topic he did not want to address was dismissed as a distraction. This is just a bigger distraction. If the fact that McChrystal had requested troops back in August to conduct a surge was not leaked we would probably know nothing of the request and Obama would still be sitting on it.

Nine or ten meetings were held at which Obama stated that everyone had a say. Everyone, that is, but McChrystal, who was not invited and whose input was not thought relevant as he doesn’t get “the big picture”. I wonder what military expertise Obama received in making his decision.

I originally read that McChrystal asked for 40,000 troops to conduct a successful surge. Now I read he asked for 80,000. If McChrystal later asks for 100 tanks will he be given 40? If the surge fails, by shortchanging McChrystal Obama will take the blame for the failure. This is not smart politics.

Obama knows that he will be blamed for the failure if the surge does not succeed and, apparently, does not care that much. The war is a distraction. So, the politics are not that important. Why?

The delay in making the decision and the failure to provide all that was asked for sends signals to governments throughout the world that Obama is weak and vacillating. If that dreaded phone call comes in at 3:00 a.m., will it take three months for Obama to respond? What ally will be imprudent enough to pony up troops that may be endangered by Obama’s indecisiveness?

The auditorium where the speech was given was very impressive. The uniformed audience, although not very warm to the speech, added to the importance of the occasion. There is a hint of fascism in this scene that is more than a little scary.

Why announce the decision publicly if to do so might endanger our troops and our aims? Obama has the wrong focus and, by concentrating on appeasing the far left, is losing the middle, and quickly. He knows this and doesn’t care. Why?

Why not throw the far left to the wolves and act more like the centrist that he ran as? After all, where are they going to go? Why is he acting in a politically suicidal manner when he must know that, if anything, he controls the left?

None of what he is doing passes the test of reasonableness. Do any of the Obami give him more than lip service?

Obama’s foreign policy is more on the order of how the mayor of Chicago deals with the mayor of Cicero.

There is no subtlety, no planning beyond next week, no learning from experience, no alliances with nations with common interests (in fact, deliberate snubs to countries that have common interests), kissing up to despicable regimes, and giving up any pretense of a policy protective of human rights. This is the net sum of Obama’s foreign policy to date.

“It is of utmost importance to disclose to the enemy just how long you plan on fighting and just how much you may commit to the the fight so they may plan accordingly”.

BEFORE i came in and read that I had the following thoughts this morning:
1)The enemy looking at the timetable could see the opportunity in calming down for 18 months – we leave – they take over and commit mass atrocities – returning women to slavery, “cleansing” the population of people who were friendly to us, etc. AND… they even might wait until Obama gets re-elected. Timetable = 18 months out, surge in popularity for Obama, re-elected, enemy takes over.

2)Or what Mitsu said happens. They look at the timetable as their opportunity to create mayhem and inflict as much harm as possible so that we either withdrawl amid such a hardship or send in even more troops.

Option 2 would be very bad for Obama in the polls. Obama might’ve stepped in it because he can’t control the enemy.

Because of Obama’s LACK of executive experience and lack of historical knowledge – he missed one important point. Don’t give the enemy information they can use. You can’t control the enemy. The enemy will do everything in their power to win the war.

Will they choose option 1 or 2?