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  1. The whole concept of the healthcare exchange (which was central to the bill) was just an elaborate trick to get you out of your existing healthcare.

    You get to keep ‘private’ insurance but it had to conform to the government standards… i.e., it had a private name but would be what they wanted you to have vs. what you did have… and we’d have our forced equality the left wants to force on us.

  2. Wait, you mean there’s some suspicion that Obama may not be fully honest? What a divisive thing to say! And here this nice man was trying to meet you Republicans halfway – okay, well, a quarter way…10%…some nonzero number – and this is the thanks he gets? For shame.

  3. Well see, that’s what happens. Stray cats and dogs get in there, and they were eliminating them, in the process of eliminating them, taking them to the pound maybe or putting them to sleep, but then everyone got all wee-wee’d up. You can’t get good things done when people are running around all wee-wee’d up.

  4. This paragraph highlights some of the most disagreeable, manipulative, and duplicitous aspects of Obama’s personality: his refusal to admit that he was mistaken and/or lying, his failure to take any responsibility or offer leadership, and the sophistry he uses to conceal these facts.

    That’s what bothered me about the GOP Retreat. It’s easy to be lulled by Obama in the moment as he wafts on folksily about stray cats and dogs sneaking in. It’s in the close reading of a transcript that one can spot the holes and fallacies.

    Have we had a President in memory so dishonest? All politicians spin, mislead and manipulate, but Obama seems to case unto himself. I can’t believe he doesn’t know what he is doing.

  5. Obama’s use of the passive voice, which is an attempt to deny responsibility for the lie, reminds me of another time the passive voice was used to deny responsibility. Louise Steinman, in The Souvenir: A Daughter Discusses her Father’s War discusses her visit to Hiroshima Peace Memorial museum.

    There was little introspection here on the larger context of why Hiroshima was
    incinerated, of what else was happening in the world on August 6, 1945

    The wording on the Pearl Harbor display was a troubling example: “On December 7,
    1941, a bomb was dropped on Pearl Harbor and Japan was hurled into the war.Was dropped. Was hurled. In this “victims’ history,” as one scholar called it, “the war appears as a
    natural catastrophe which ‘happened’ to Japan, as if without the intervention of human agency.”

    In both cases, there is an attempt to deny responsibility. It might have happened, it might have been snuck in. Was hurled. Was dropped on Pearl Harbor. Those who deny responsibility lose respect.

  6. Is there a death panel for those stray cats and dogs the President wants to eliminate?

  7. “Many have remarked that Obama stood back from offering guidance to Congress on the details of the bills, and yet he described his own plan and made promises about it as though the two would be in sync. There has been much speculation about why he chose to do it this way,”

    The pattern I see here is not that Obama had a machiavellian plan to avoid responsibility. It’s that he is following the same game plan that has worked for him in the past – let others do the heavy lifting, and then fly in at the last minute and take credit for it.

    His Illinois political career was rife with him getting credit at the last minute for bills that others worked on for years, he took credit for bills he hardly worked on in the US Senate, he let Copenhagen go on until it was all but complete, and then flew in at the last minute to ‘cinch the deal” (Didn’t work), the same with the Olympics, the list goes on and on. The guy really does not know how to accomplish anything that actually takes an application of will and consistent effort.

    But damn, he is good at taking the credit – except now, on the world stage, it’s a little harder to sweep the times the tactic doesn’t work under the rug.

    Don’t give the guy credit for subtlety that he has not demonstrated. That goes double for his ‘intellectualism’ – I have seen no evidence of that, either, despite every leftie on the planet placing the attribute on him in an orgy of wishful-thinking projection.

  8. It’s all in his roots–Jeremiah Wright and community organizing in particular. In Ohio recently he told the audience that he wuz gonna start fighting for the Middle Class. Starting Right Now. Fighting whom? Shadow boxing?

    And check out the budget submitted today. If early reports are correct, revenues from healthcarereform and from capandtrade are shown. Without them, the deficit will exceed 2 TRILLION dollars. But we gotta stop spending?!

    Obama=Chavez

  9. Of course Obama knows what he’s doing–well, that’s what I think today, anyway. 🙂 Today I think that, while Clinton believed every lie he ever told while he was telling it, Obama knows he’s lying. I would like to have seen one of the Retreating Republicans ask him about that statement of his that he’s not an ideologue or some kind of Bolshevik. I wish some congressional Republican would have the cods to actually put the name to what he is. Such, such is the damage we’ve allowed ol’ Tail-gunner Joe to do to our public discourse–we acquiesced to McCarthy derision so much that we’ve allowed everyone to forget or deny totally that McCarthy was, as my dad once said, “a little bit right”. The Venona Transcripts revealed that there really were active communists in our government and working for the Soviets, and Alger Hiss really was one of them. So now, people honest enough to actually put such a case are hooted off the stage, and Truth has been removed from our armory because we allowed it to be.

    There I go again, getting all wee-wee’d up.

  10. “It’s that he is following the same game plan that has worked for him in the past – let others do the heavy lifting, and then fly in at the last minute and take credit for it.”

    ding ding ding – we have a winner. Not only that but if it fails miserably he never was for it to begin with which is what he was saying here.

    Note also that he pretty much never tells us what that Bad Stuff is either, just that he knows it is in there, feels for us, and is angry – angry I say it made it in there. We can then all project whatever we want into there as the “Bad Stuff” and Obama agrees with us against those nasty politicians (who are also unnamed – so take your pick and he will agree!).

    Here is where his comfort zone is, it is when he is actually having to *do* something that he flails around. Blame or be a blank slate and he is great at it. Which, once more, only works when people believe you. As the mask gets worn off this type of talk doesn’t work – after all at the end of the day he is still ramming the bill through. Further what actions and specifics he *does* do shows us that his evil people and agendas are Tea Party type things.

  11. Huxley, you wrote “I can’t believe he doesn’t know what he is doing.”
    Are you sure you want to stand by that statement?

    I suspect he was winging the whole Presidential thing from Day One. Otherwise we are confronted with someone who wants to appear stupid, traitorous and dishonest.
    A clever knave would deliver the poison in small doses with lots of sugar, but Obama is a T-Rex in a China shop with nuclear land mines balanced on the heads of needles. He is an insult to underhanded duplicitous politicians everywhere.
    The most likely explanation is that he wants to be an underhanded duplicitous politician but is just lousy at it.

  12. Gringo Says

    I wonder how they described the bombs dropped on Japan in return. If it was the same passive voice, I’d be ok with the whole thing.

    If not…

  13. huxley: forget “recent memory.” I don’t think we’ve ever had a president so dishonest—and I mean dishonestly dishonest. Sometimes he comes out and lies in a way that’s obvious, like the broken C-SPAN promise. But much more often it’s something like the process I analyzed in this post, where it is easy to miss what he’s doing. He does this sort of thing almost incessantly. It’s possible (but tiresome) to go through his speeches and find instance after instance. And the thing that makes it hard is that the MSM won’t call him on it, and that lets him know he can get away with it, and emboldens him further. Other politicians might be afraid that the media would rake them over the coals for similar shenanigans, but he is protected for the most part, and he knows it.

  14. Huxley, you wrote “I can’t believe he doesn’t know what he is doing.”
    Are you sure you want to stand by that statement?

    Bob: Sure. I was specifically referring to Obama’s duplicity in speaking, such as neo documents in the paragraph she quoted.

    I don’t consider Obama some mega-brainiac by any means, but he is smart enough to know when he is misleading people and outright lying.

    I agree that Obama is not that savvy a politician either. If he had been less impatient and less greedy, and had gone about moving the country to the left a small piece at a time rather than the Big Bang approach of everything in the first year, he might have made good on Carville’s grand boast of a 40 year Reich for the Democrats.

  15. huxley: forget “recent memory.” I don’t think we’ve ever had a president so dishonest–and I mean dishonestly dishonest.

    neo: Well, I’m kind of fuzzy on many of the presidents in the 1800s and I try to stick with what I’m sure about.

    I remember Nixon lying about Watergate and Clinton lying about Lewinsky. I remember presidents expressing opinions that I strongly disagreed with. But I don’t remember any president lying as a matter of course about almost anything all the time as I find with Obama.

    And yeah, the MSM could make it much harder for Obama to get away with this but they don’t.

  16. Having skimmed video of Barack at Repub retreat, two things struck me:

    Barack is a lie a minute man. In basketball, they used to have the concept of a “point-a-minute” player, i.e. a player who averaged one point for every minute he played. Pres. Obama has adjusted this concept to politics.

    Second, the quote you use here: the can’t keep your insurance and death panels quote. You’ve covered the insurance aspect. I noticed the death panels part. Barack, of course, did not say death panels, and would argue he did not mean death panels. But, to me: close enough for government work. Barack’s admission:

    “… we said … you’re not going to have anybody getting in between you and your doctor in your decision making. …. some … provisions … might have violated that pledge.”

    Let’s cut through the b/s: Death Panels.

    I wonder if the insurance admission, especially, might come back to bite Barack? Barack had, through his protestations, i.e. “You can keep your insurance!”, made a fundamental pact with Americans. Now, a reasonable person can see Barack was going to sell out American citizens if he needed to. He broke a foundational pact with American citizens.

    Maybe he’ll skate by again. He seems to follow this formula:

    1. Lie to em. They’ll believe me.
    2. Admit the lie (in carefully parsed and semi deniable political language). They’ll either forgive, or be in denial.
    3. Lie to em again. They’ll believe me again.

    So far, his formula has worked.

  17. There are two really obvious tells about Obama’s er, prevaricating.

    One is when he wants to be perfectly clear and the other is when he gets folksy.

    If he gets folksy AND earnest at the same time?

    Run!

  18. OK Hux, let’s compromise. Obama is trying to be clever by doing one stupid thing after another and lying about it, considering his increasing approval rantings he seems to be on to something.
    Actually I see the point, he assumes his natural superiority and treats in a condescending matter us mere mortals. As Sowell wrote, he is self-anointed, Plato’s man of gold, the shepherd guiding the flock for its own good; lying is Ok because our weak reptilian minds can’t handle he truth. A truth that is bestowed upon him but not upon us.
    I wonder why he puts up with us.

  19. And I think that some of the provisions that got snuck in might have violated that pledge.

    WoW! Talk about pissing on my back and telling me it’s raining!”

    Japan? Somehow, it got all blowed up. Twice.

  20. Calling Obama dishonest is tantamount to racism, and not that Harry Reid kind of racist either, the other kind, you know…

    Never could make heads or tails of the health care thing. Just figured that we’d be stuck somewhere in the middle, not poor enough to qualify for help, not wealthy enough to afford to buy it.

    Hope & Change…yawn

  21. Dictators are never wrong…
    Their consideration of action and follow through usually depends only on the amount of actual power they have to weild. FDR was only different from other socialist despots in that his power had some limit which stepped into it.

    each bill has the chess moves in it that together add up to the desire.

  22. Toes, care to elaborate rather than just sneering with a wave of the hand?

    I mean, that approach works okay against liberals -who respond socially rather than intellectually – but conservatives have at least some immunity against it. We prefer to discuss on the basis of propositions and evidence. Just a little idiosyncracy of ours.

    So I am wondering…your evidence for envy is, uh, …?

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