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		<title>By: Deconstructing Obama — Part Two</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2010/02/09/an-alternate-theory-of-obama/#comment-146269</link>
		<dc:creator>Deconstructing Obama — Part Two</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 03:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] opens a piece enti­tled An Alternate Theory of Obama thusly: We spend an awful lot of time won­der­ing what’s really going on inside Obama’s mind. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2010/02/09/an-alternate-theory-of-obama/#comment-145320</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katemaclaren, 

 thanks.. 

if you find somethign that contradicts what i said. PLEASE let me know!!!!!!!!!!!

i dont care what the actual answer is
i care whether the actual answer is right

thats looking at things at a higher better level

its returning debate as a method to define a better something, and not as a variation of an intellectual form of trial by combat where might makes right</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katemaclaren, </p>
<p> thanks.. </p>
<p>if you find somethign that contradicts what i said. PLEASE let me know!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>i dont care what the actual answer is<br />
i care whether the actual answer is right</p>
<p>thats looking at things at a higher better level</p>
<p>its returning debate as a method to define a better something, and not as a variation of an intellectual form of trial by combat where might makes right</p>
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		<title>By: Katemaclaren</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2010/02/09/an-alternate-theory-of-obama/#comment-145202</link>
		<dc:creator>Katemaclaren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 04:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Artfldgr - I am very impressed with what you say. I am going to look up the references and begin to read. What incredible patience these people have--but they have met their match if they&#039;re unmasked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr &#8211; I am very impressed with what you say. I am going to look up the references and begin to read. What incredible patience these people have&#8211;but they have met their match if they&#8217;re unmasked.</p>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2010/02/09/an-alternate-theory-of-obama/#comment-145109</link>
		<dc:creator>Artfldgr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Living all this decades in Moscow, I can compare. The change is tremendous, but the road to modernization is very long and bumpy. My children enjoy much more freedom and possibilities than my generation.&lt;/i&gt;

now THATS some of the most wonderful news i ahve heard from their in a long time!!! 

with nashi and other such things, its harder for me to get a handle on whats on the ground now. back then it was easier as there was ties to family and such. now not so much at all.

thank you for taking the time to tell me that. 

thats better news than anything you could have said about putin, medvedev, and other ilk that one day, i hope fades into history...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Living all this decades in Moscow, I can compare. The change is tremendous, but the road to modernization is very long and bumpy. My children enjoy much more freedom and possibilities than my generation.</i></p>
<p>now THATS some of the most wonderful news i ahve heard from their in a long time!!! </p>
<p>with nashi and other such things, its harder for me to get a handle on whats on the ground now. back then it was easier as there was ties to family and such. now not so much at all.</p>
<p>thank you for taking the time to tell me that. </p>
<p>thats better news than anything you could have said about putin, medvedev, and other ilk that one day, i hope fades into history&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rsb</title>
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		<dc:creator>rsb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asst. Village and Steve:

Man, oh, man do I ever NOT have the nerve to do that.  My roommate does though.  I&#039;m pretty sure most of the UWSiders are so convinced of their total moral superiority that they don&#039;t even want to speak to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asst. Village and Steve:</p>
<p>Man, oh, man do I ever NOT have the nerve to do that.  My roommate does though.  I&#8217;m pretty sure most of the UWSiders are so convinced of their total moral superiority that they don&#8217;t even want to speak to him.</p>
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		<title>By: Sergey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the state that completely embodes the end justifies the means cant do that. it lies even when it doesnt have to&quot;
There was not properly functioning state in 1984 in Russia, but two groups of bureaucrats with very different goals, struggling for power and using everything and everybody to undermine each other. Both groups failed, and a new elite emerged. It was cynical, greedy, but totaly rejecting communist ideology and using democratical slogans to topple both Old Guard and Gorby&#039;s communist reformers. If any historical parallels apply, France under Napoleon is the best analogue. Totaly new regime, not continuation of Royalists or Jacobines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the state that completely embodes the end justifies the means cant do that. it lies even when it doesnt have to&#8221;<br />
There was not properly functioning state in 1984 in Russia, but two groups of bureaucrats with very different goals, struggling for power and using everything and everybody to undermine each other. Both groups failed, and a new elite emerged. It was cynical, greedy, but totaly rejecting communist ideology and using democratical slogans to topple both Old Guard and Gorby&#8217;s communist reformers. If any historical parallels apply, France under Napoleon is the best analogue. Totaly new regime, not continuation of Royalists or Jacobines.</p>
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		<title>By: Sergey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Living all this decades in Moscow, I can compare. The change is tremendous, but the road to modernization is very long and bumpy. My children enjoy much more freedom and possibilities than my generation. We do not know anymore ideological dictat, people are free to discuss openly everything. And they do. I see a whole new ethos emerging in them, social capital is created every day in terms of attitudes, customs, morals. It has not yet reached critical mass for political expression, but this is practicaly inevitable in due course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Living all this decades in Moscow, I can compare. The change is tremendous, but the road to modernization is very long and bumpy. My children enjoy much more freedom and possibilities than my generation. We do not know anymore ideological dictat, people are free to discuss openly everything. And they do. I see a whole new ethos emerging in them, social capital is created every day in terms of attitudes, customs, morals. It has not yet reached critical mass for political expression, but this is practicaly inevitable in due course.</p>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Artfldgr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was an insider, recruited to the cause for PR purposes, and knew personally the main actors.


you were not an insider. you were a tool that believed it had a special place and so would do its job. my uncle explained this to me very carefully, as he was a man who had rank to make you think you were special so that you did your thing easier and never ever asked moral questions. 

like a state that would do that to is own people would tell you the truth of what they are doing to you and such,. 

the state that completely embodes the end justifies the means cant do that.  it lies even when it doesnt have to</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was an insider, recruited to the cause for PR purposes, and knew personally the main actors.</p>
<p>you were not an insider. you were a tool that believed it had a special place and so would do its job. my uncle explained this to me very carefully, as he was a man who had rank to make you think you were special so that you did your thing easier and never ever asked moral questions. </p>
<p>like a state that would do that to is own people would tell you the truth of what they are doing to you and such,. </p>
<p>the state that completely embodes the end justifies the means cant do that.  it lies even when it doesnt have to</p>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Artfldgr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I knew it for sure, because I was in the belly of the beast, in Supreme Party School, when Perestroyka was brewing. I was an insider, recruited to the cause for PR purposes, and knew personally the main actors.
&lt;/i&gt;

then you shoudl know better than to think the leadership tells students their plans. your like a vietnam vet who never read about all the deatils out of their view, who thinks cause they were shot at they know it all.  give me a break...if thats your source, my source was anatoly golitsyn (and i know you both personally the same).  

Anatoliy Mikhaylovich Golitsyn &lt;b&gt;CBE&lt;/b&gt;

want to know what that CBE stands for? 

&lt;i&gt;The Most Excellent Order of the British Empire is an order of chivalry established on 4 June 1917 by George V of the United Kingdom. The Order includes five classes in civil and military divisions. In decreasing order of seniority, these are:

Knight Grand Cross (GBE) or Dame Grand Cross (GBE) 
Knight Commander (KBE) or Dame Commander (DBE) 
&lt;b&gt;Commander (CBE)&lt;/b&gt;
Officer (OBE) 
Member (MBE) 
&lt;/i&gt;

Anatoliy Mikhaylovich Golitsyn CBE (Russian: Анатолий Михайлович Голицын;born August 25, 1926) is a Soviet KGB defector and author of two books about long-term deception strategy of the KGB leadership. He was born in Piryatin, Ukrainian SSR. He provided &quot;a wide range of intelligence to the CIA on the operations of most of the &#039;Lines&#039; (departments) at the Helsinki and other residencies, as well as KGB methods of recruiting and running agents.&quot;[1] He is an Honorary Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE) and, as late as 1984, was an American citizen.

&lt;b&gt;Golitsyn worked in the strategic planning department of the KGB in the rank of Major.&lt;/b&gt;

i beleive a man who has earned his creds by defecting, getting a royal honor, US citizenship. and had achieved the rank of major...to be a better source than a student with the beliefes that they instilled in you, saying its not so. give me a reason a student in the school your mentioning, would know what the major who defected was part of the planning wouldnt? 

you also dont know where and what my family was a part of in the past in that area before tehy fled and washed their hands of such dirt...the people who discredit golytsins stuff are people symathetic to socialism, progressivism, etc...others just do so out of hand with disbelief that a state could be that flexible. (having never actually seen how flexible a totalitarian state with no morals or compulsiosn could be). 

Golitsyn claimed that Rt Hon. Harold Wilson (then Prime Minister of the United Kingdom) was a KGB informer. it was unbelieved and was conspiracy theory labled. however when mitrokhen partial archive came out (a second part just out)..  

&lt;i&gt;He continued these relationships when Labour went into Opposition, and according to material from the Mitrokhin Archive, his insights into British politics were passed to and highly rated by the KGB. An &quot;agent development file&quot; was opened in the hope of recruiting Harold Wilson, and the codename &quot;OLDING&quot; was given to him. However &quot;the development did not come to fruition,&quot; according to the KGB file records&lt;/i&gt;

so its this kind of thing they use to say that golytsin was wrong. but technically its in the grey between both.  he wasnt paid spy, but he was a source. a lot of stuff is hard to sort out. so it stays in limbo waiting.   for instance, you have two stories for harold wilson. oen that he died of lupus. another that he was killed.. given that the only one that says so is golitsyn, and he has been so accurate he is a problem to that side...  its was easy to make it tin hat. however there were a rash of other murders in the US and UK that were thoguth to be heart attacks and other things.  we never knew that they were assasinations. 

how did we find out. the assasins defected and showed how it was done!!!  and given that beria had a bunch of laboratories (that some exist to this day) whose purpose was poisons and such. (like using radioactive materials. the polonium was surprising as they used to use radioactive thorium for the same thing. give a man stomach cancer, which before coffee filters was common enough not to seem wrong)

so now in truth, the golytsin thing is hard to tell [its like crying wolf.

gorbachev is what he was always...and the assettions of someone that comes from the state that invented amorality as a social plus and infinite pragmatic ruthlessness and secrecy where people are completely disposable (even if they think they are important), as being a good source. 

i spent too many years teaching immigrants from different eras corrections to history!!! do note the photos and such i put up. if they cant even accept history as it is, i doubt that they made a poitn to tell a student they planned on using, information that would keep him abreast of the states real intentions. i dont even expect to know this from my government which historically was orders of magnitude more reliable (thatnks to business). which is why i read all of that stuff, and our stuff, and other peoples stuff and so on. after a while, like a thousand starfield images summed to one.  the lies get weeded out as teh truth is over and over and over the same frmo all voer the place in different ways taht are subtle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I knew it for sure, because I was in the belly of the beast, in Supreme Party School, when Perestroyka was brewing. I was an insider, recruited to the cause for PR purposes, and knew personally the main actors.<br />
</i></p>
<p>then you shoudl know better than to think the leadership tells students their plans. your like a vietnam vet who never read about all the deatils out of their view, who thinks cause they were shot at they know it all.  give me a break&#8230;if thats your source, my source was anatoly golitsyn (and i know you both personally the same).  </p>
<p>Anatoliy Mikhaylovich Golitsyn <b>CBE</b></p>
<p>want to know what that CBE stands for? </p>
<p><i>The Most Excellent Order of the British Empire is an order of chivalry established on 4 June 1917 by George V of the United Kingdom. The Order includes five classes in civil and military divisions. In decreasing order of seniority, these are:</p>
<p>Knight Grand Cross (GBE) or Dame Grand Cross (GBE)<br />
Knight Commander (KBE) or Dame Commander (DBE)<br />
<b>Commander (CBE)</b><br />
Officer (OBE)<br />
Member (MBE)<br />
</i></p>
<p>Anatoliy Mikhaylovich Golitsyn CBE (Russian: Анатолий Михайлович Голицын;born August 25, 1926) is a Soviet KGB defector and author of two books about long-term deception strategy of the KGB leadership. He was born in Piryatin, Ukrainian SSR. He provided &#8220;a wide range of intelligence to the CIA on the operations of most of the &#8216;Lines&#8217; (departments) at the Helsinki and other residencies, as well as KGB methods of recruiting and running agents.&#8221;[1] He is an Honorary Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE) and, as late as 1984, was an American citizen.</p>
<p><b>Golitsyn worked in the strategic planning department of the KGB in the rank of Major.</b></p>
<p>i beleive a man who has earned his creds by defecting, getting a royal honor, US citizenship. and had achieved the rank of major&#8230;to be a better source than a student with the beliefes that they instilled in you, saying its not so. give me a reason a student in the school your mentioning, would know what the major who defected was part of the planning wouldnt? </p>
<p>you also dont know where and what my family was a part of in the past in that area before tehy fled and washed their hands of such dirt&#8230;the people who discredit golytsins stuff are people symathetic to socialism, progressivism, etc&#8230;others just do so out of hand with disbelief that a state could be that flexible. (having never actually seen how flexible a totalitarian state with no morals or compulsiosn could be). </p>
<p>Golitsyn claimed that Rt Hon. Harold Wilson (then Prime Minister of the United Kingdom) was a KGB informer. it was unbelieved and was conspiracy theory labled. however when mitrokhen partial archive came out (a second part just out)..  </p>
<p><i>He continued these relationships when Labour went into Opposition, and according to material from the Mitrokhin Archive, his insights into British politics were passed to and highly rated by the KGB. An &#8220;agent development file&#8221; was opened in the hope of recruiting Harold Wilson, and the codename &#8220;OLDING&#8221; was given to him. However &#8220;the development did not come to fruition,&#8221; according to the KGB file records</i></p>
<p>so its this kind of thing they use to say that golytsin was wrong. but technically its in the grey between both.  he wasnt paid spy, but he was a source. a lot of stuff is hard to sort out. so it stays in limbo waiting.   for instance, you have two stories for harold wilson. oen that he died of lupus. another that he was killed.. given that the only one that says so is golitsyn, and he has been so accurate he is a problem to that side&#8230;  its was easy to make it tin hat. however there were a rash of other murders in the US and UK that were thoguth to be heart attacks and other things.  we never knew that they were assasinations. </p>
<p>how did we find out. the assasins defected and showed how it was done!!!  and given that beria had a bunch of laboratories (that some exist to this day) whose purpose was poisons and such. (like using radioactive materials. the polonium was surprising as they used to use radioactive thorium for the same thing. give a man stomach cancer, which before coffee filters was common enough not to seem wrong)</p>
<p>so now in truth, the golytsin thing is hard to tell [its like crying wolf.</p>
<p>gorbachev is what he was always&#8230;and the assettions of someone that comes from the state that invented amorality as a social plus and infinite pragmatic ruthlessness and secrecy where people are completely disposable (even if they think they are important), as being a good source. </p>
<p>i spent too many years teaching immigrants from different eras corrections to history!!! do note the photos and such i put up. if they cant even accept history as it is, i doubt that they made a poitn to tell a student they planned on using, information that would keep him abreast of the states real intentions. i dont even expect to know this from my government which historically was orders of magnitude more reliable (thatnks to business). which is why i read all of that stuff, and our stuff, and other peoples stuff and so on. after a while, like a thousand starfield images summed to one.  the lies get weeded out as teh truth is over and over and over the same frmo all voer the place in different ways taht are subtle.</p>
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		<title>By: Sergey</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;how come gorby isnt tryign to save his own people?&quot;
He tried, but he failed. I knew beforehand that he will fail. The country was wrecked beyond repair in all possible aspects. His program had a chance to success if was launched 25 years earlier, but intervention in Chekhoslovakiya made it impossible. Gorby almost lost any control of situation in 1989, and since than the destruction of state was accelerated exponentially, untill the final collapse. Modern Russia has little in common with USSR and is much more alike Russia under Tzars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;how come gorby isnt tryign to save his own people?&#8221;<br />
He tried, but he failed. I knew beforehand that he will fail. The country was wrecked beyond repair in all possible aspects. His program had a chance to success if was launched 25 years earlier, but intervention in Chekhoslovakiya made it impossible. Gorby almost lost any control of situation in 1989, and since than the destruction of state was accelerated exponentially, untill the final collapse. Modern Russia has little in common with USSR and is much more alike Russia under Tzars.</p>
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