the same conspiratorial paranoia

ie.. there are no such things as conspiracy, so if i hear something that sounds or requires it, i have to say it doesnt exist, and then say the person has a mental desease. thats how i hux debate.

so the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact never happened. why? because to learn that in history and beleive it is to know a conspiracy of leaders against nations of people without their knowing. and you know thats paranoid, right? so it didnt happen.

of course a man who our president says he is emulating was also there at YALTA. oh, wait… cant bring up yalta!!!! it was a conspiracy of the big countries plotting to sell out small countries nad their people. that way stalin stayed in latvia (a place he had a forever peace treaty with!!), and could finish exterminating the people and then move more of his pepple in. oh… and it was at YALTA that FDR gave stalin the concentration camps that hitler used, and so rather than dismantle them, stalin USED Them to continue the progressive revolutionary holocaust (fdr was a progressive)…

it was an interesting history… we learned falsely about it from walter duranty.. oh wait… cant bring up walter duranty. he was a spy, got a prize for lying, and was part of a conspiracy of the press. so walter has to be removed fromdiscussion, otherwise i know a conspiracy and must be paranoid.

well, how about bella dodd? oh, no cant do that, she was a communist who was head of the CPUSA and the TEACHERS UNION…and to bring hier up would be to say there was a conspiracy not to teach our kids well in school and you know how wonderful schools have been since her people.. i mean.. since communism a failed ideology amazingly and with no impetus attached itself to the children whos fathers and grandfathers werent around to teach them otherwise as they were dead in europe.

wait. they arent dead!!! there was no war, as there was no conspiracy between stalin and hitler.

let me guess. jimmy hoffa really skipped off and went to sweden to be like christina jorgenson, he was never a part of the labor conspiracies and manipulations. right?

Conspiracy theory is a term that originally was a neutral descriptor for any claim of civil, criminal or political conspiracy. However, it has become largely pejorative and used almost exclusively to refer to any fringe theory which explains a historical or current event as the result of a secret plot by conspirators of almost superhuman power and cunning.[1][2]

and see.. .you took the old meaning, then took the leftist liberal bs meaning that stretches it out of shape, and then employed it the way they do to your advantage. never realizing its the things they are wiling to do to win, that makes them who they are. not what point they are promoting to win!!!!

a cheat is still a cheat even if they win…its the cheating that makes its so. not other things that have no meaning to it.

in a conspiracy theory… it’s the fact that moer than one person colludes in secret to manipulate the situation to advantage against a third. to you its an impossible state that never happens (even if it does) and so is a good way to not have to listen to someone that has informatino in that area.

chapter one: how to keep peopoe from going or thinking things you dont want.

ancient primitive societies would put up skulls and dead bodies to show that to cross a line would result in death and such. in the absence of a warden with force, such simple minded reasoning can be given to the people. then the smartest ones taking it in will make sure to use that as social standing methods. in so doing, one does not have to pay a guard to protect the cheese. one only has to induce in a smart person that its not so. they will then spend their time doing so to others who will not question the meta rule on top.

modern versions of this are terms like slut, conspiracy, fascist, pleb, malthusian, etc.. rather than stake bodies out along a property line, they stake philsophical bodies where they dont want the mind to go. and so, those who wish social standing, can take up the job put before them. and prevent them from ever leaving the area. and as long as they stay inside that mental area, the person doing so seems to know and be followed.

a recent horror movie showed this. it seemed to take place in a small town in the middle ages. but it turned out to be fake, and that the leaders of the town were able to keep the people from every crossing the wood and forest and seeing the highway!!!! of course, everyone who wanted to do that and go was called a conspiracy theorist and such… but eventuyally they found out that they were not in a real town, but a contrived potemkin one. that the leaders used monsters and scary terms in place of rational debate as a means of not HAVING to debate and win by default!!!

in this way, we no longer punish liars, as they are now debaters.

Conspiracy theories are viewed with skepticism by the scientific community and academia, and often ridiculed by pundits, because they are seldom supported by any conclusive evidence and contrast with institutional analysis, which focuses on people’s collective behavior in publicly known institutions, as recorded in scholarly material and mainstream media reports, to explain historical or current events, rather than speculate on the motives and actions of secretive coalitions of individuals.[3]

again… you seek to use other means to win. you do not actually refute our points. you instead call names and attack in a way that you dont think its attacking.

but if you read the damn definition of what your doing, its OBVIOUS that you like the left do this because in a straight debate on facts you would lose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The term is therefore often used dismissively in an attempt to characterize a belief as outlandishly false and held by a person judged to be a crank or a group confined to the lunatic fringe. Such characterization is often the subject of dispute due to its possible unfairness and inaccuracy.[4]

by discrediting me you dont have to actually debate me. how collectivist you are!!!!!!!!!!!

you basically choose not to debate facts fairly… so instead you try to move the collective to put negative pressure on me or anyone else you disagree with.

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‘All discussions go down the same long-winded ratholes, with the same appeals to superior knowledge, the same certainty of historical justification…’

When every other time you post you claim not to read artfldgr’s posts? I read his posts and find your characterisation grossly innacurate – unlike some, his posts are backed up with data, not the kind of fuzzy opinions and generalizations which anyone can write to try and make themselves sound intellectual.

If you don’t like the posts, be assured there are those of us who do. Posters who don’t interest me – like yourself – are easy enough to scroll past without me trying to recruit the rest of the forum into my camp via complaints and whining.

Dealing with you is exactly like dealing the doctrinaire leftists and feminists of my youth.

All discussions go down the same long-winded ratholes, with the same appeals to superior knowledge, the same certainty of historical justification, the same condescension towards those who disagree, the same conspiratorial paranoia, the same complaining and whining about not being appreciated, and the same occasional cries of vindication.

I’m so relieved not to deal with those people on the left anymore. I’m chagrined to find they have their counterparts, thankfully fewer, on the right.

imagine how the earth would shake if those complaining would take my post, re-research the points, then show me how to write the same thing in 200 words.

shows that they are taking a false superior position
they have not the skill they think they can create by yelling at me. (kind of like mini despots who think that by threatening people they can get them to comply and aquire the talents to make outcomes)

can i add to your list

you cant repair without knowing how it works

to think that we could get out of the psition we are in by thinking our way out from a position of ignoraance.

is to accept the same false mentally facile position that oen could fix the economy and not know economics.

yes… but i would never have hit that if i couldnt have refined my messages over and over.

you have no end with no process…and failure to accept the process…is a death sentence to the ends. you have read other things and dont realize that withotu those other things internalized from prior reading. you would not see the insight. and without my trying to find the pattern of info that would unlock different people, i would never have written that.

even worse. would i have written it if i was worried abotu what hux, and others would think? would it be good if i decided to cut it down to less? how about more. the concept of what is right is right and not more or less is lost today. to tell you the truth. that to have such insight takes slogging through all the stuff i try to summarize. there is no way to say what i said without knowing all that in the background. and my method was not to rely on how witty i can be, but show you the background and then let you discover the truth.

witty is not a requirement of truth…its only the requirement of bored lords wishing to be entertained or else they will withdraw their precious company. (saying it that way tends to make ti clear how they are making demands from a position of worthlessness.)

to pay a mobster to not break my windows, is the same as to change my writing so i dont get grief

both are blackmailers. and i am surprised how socially acceptable blackmail is among people who claim to be for freedom. how is political blackmail resulting in censorship a goodness we stand for? to cave to them would be like patrick henry worried about his new neck length…that is, if patrick henry was like they want me to be. we would not have a republic to argue over preserving. he would have accepted the blackmail, gone home, and let you, his posterity deal with it. which is what their missives amount to.

i never did listen much to blackmail…then again, i have never been taught to think that blackmail was the normal way intelligent people deal with each other. do you?

of course its true.

its a constant since bella dodd was both head of the teachers union when they voted to indoctrinate not teach, and was head of teh communist party USA. (before she defected realizeing when she was older what she was being used for)

you got the poitn i was making.

and you read my posts.

so you should also see that all they are doing now is tying up the loose end. the ones here who dont want to learn, dont think my history counts, and so forth… were all taught to think that way by the people they are discussing and opposing!!!!!!!!

the only thing that can break them out of it is to learn history. to learn how they have been betrayed to the very core of how they think. all done by the selective allowance and censorship of historical events, and respinning them.

they sit here and belittle other people who are their anscestors who they fault for not rising up and changing things.

but they dont get that they are crippled. they cant even bring themselves to call what they see what they see and move on to the next step.

they are permanently stuck in a place where they have no ability to draw a conclusion and move on, unless a leader dialuges them to that consensus.

no amount of anything will get them to do that, because they fear expulsion.

how do i know?

they tempt me with it and threaten me with it.

but an individual needs that not
only a domesticated thing requres the other for their survival and fitness.

I have… it doesnt work.. in fact, telling people things they dont want to hear.. that are factual… tends not to be taken easily no matter what form you put it in.

thats the point that all miss in their advice. let me know how i can tell you to your face that your wrong, lazy, not willing to come prepared, not willing to check your own facts before asserting them etc… there is no way to do that.

and thats how they see my posts… they contain ideas they never heard. history they never read. people they have no knolege existed. sometimes its facts are 180 degrees to waht they learned. sometimes they find that a fact is a non fact, and a non fact becomes a fact.

resistance to the truth ends up being futile.whether they read jonas book, tune in now to glenn beck, study american hsitory, study european history, etc. they are going to constantly run into the same things that i am telling them to their face. the difference is that i am not waiting for them to wake up and decide to take the journey and read. i have come to them, for if i waited for them to come to the truth, they might never bother.

mostly because sitting aroudn with equal ignorance is more fun than it is to actually get somewhere. one is entertainment masquerading with purpose, the other is work as defined as work. ultimately, those willing to work, and do so, understand me. they go out and start to search the names. they realize that what i put up is a tiny tiny tiny part. just a tiny thread that they can follow back to a whole lot more. when they get there, they realize that what they thought was a long post here, was nano material compared to where it resides normally.

there are 38 volumes to lenins treatise on marx. obama has read it, i know, as i said you can hear the turns of phrase. parrots copy turns of phrase, not make them up. I have tried many many things. and nothing really works to get those who wont follow to follow. its a false argument they make that says that they would act differently. its a sham. as they are betting that i wont do it, and so they dont have to comply. but i HAVE tried, and they have proven to be liars by not following the links and that.

why would i listen to liars openly lying to manipulate me to put me aside to acheive a better social position for themselves?

i am not as stupd as other people that fall for such manipualations and methods. they challenge, i put up, they continue ignoring…the only time they dont ignore is when the post is too big to flash past. now, they have no means of ignoring a reality. thats really why they get irked..

they have princess and the pea syndrom. and as long as what they dont like is low and they can side step it, they are reasonably satisfied. but as soon as there is no way to do that, they cmplain. not about the content. but about the quality that creates the obstical to their previous internalized method of avoidance. their avoidance habit then becomes my problem through projection.

while i admit i am not the best writer in the world. my grammar can suck being complicated. like reading old old books. but guess where i learned to write and read? back when 13th grade was common, not 5th grade.

is it any wonder that those who had the first, have no problem with the whole panoplay of offerings? and those that have the latter, require everyone above them to bow down? but to do so in a way that does not reveal what the real issue is.