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  1. As I recall it was in the 70s when the law schools began to teach that the law was what you decided it was. That was the essence of Bill Clinton’s remark, “It depends upon what the definition of is, is.” What we have as a result is the idea that you can observe the laws you like and ignore those you don’t like. Thus, we are becoming a nation, not of laws, but of men who decide what laws they will ignore or honor.

  2. Good. We can just start calling Arizona a sanctuary state for Americans near the border who want refuge from illegal aliens. Problem solved.

  3. FSLN leader Carlos Fonseca Amador was described as “a trusted agent” in KGB files. “Sandinista guerrillas formed the basis for a KGB sabotage and intelligence group established in 1966 on the Mexican US border”

    According to Vasili Mitrokhin, Fonseca was a KGB agent. In his book The World Was Going Our Way, Mitrokhin relates how, as part of Aleksandr Shelepin’s strategy of using national liberation movements to advance the Soviet Union’s foreign policy in the third world, Shelepin organized funding and training in Moscow for twelve individuals that Fonseca handpicked, and the twelve were the core of the new Sandinista organization.

    However, UCLA historian J. Arch Getty, whose specialty is Russia, writing in the American Historical Review, raised questions about the trustworthiness and verifiability of Mitrokhin’s material about the Soviet Union, doubting whether this “self-described loner with increasingly anti-Soviet views” would have had the opportunity to “transcribe thousands of documents, smuggle them out of KGB premises”, etc.[2]. Former Indian counter-terrorism chief Bahukutumbi Raman also questions both the validity of the material as well as the conclusions drawn from them

    but given that so much has been confirmed, these speakers of doubt are obviously trying to mitigate and provide some position for liberals to take.

    here is getty: http://www.history.ucla.edu/people/faculty?lid=651

    and here is a complete load of wash:
    His research seeks to understand how the greatest experiment of the 20th century, led by a movement that grew out of rational, enlightened, egalitarian, and democratic traditions resulted in dictatorship and the deaths of millions of its own people. His approach is social, political, and structural and he insists that Soviet history can be studied with the same methodologies we use on other times, places, and systems. It is a sad sign of the politicized Cold War origins and primitive development of Soviet studies that such concentration on factors other than Stalin’s personality has been considered radical.
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    He now spends several months each year in Moscow working in the political archives of the former Soviet Communist Party, eating cabbages, watching coups, engaging in currency speculation, and shivering in unheated reading rooms.

    yeah.. he sounds like he would believe the negatives.. his whole career is to revision the history and explain away the bad stuff..

    doubting whether this “self-described loner with increasingly anti-Soviet views” would have had the opportunity to “transcribe thousands of documents, smuggle them out of KGB premises”, etc

    given that the UK exfiltrated him and his whole family and they took out the archive copies, and that several books are now out with the material.

    this is just a false argument that what happened didn’t happen, so don’t believe them.

    what do you think would happen to this career, the minute he said somethig else?
    Getty is a John Simon Guggenheim Fellow, a Research Fellow of the Russian State Humanities University (Moscow), and has been Senior Fellow of the Harriman Institute (Columbia University), and the Davis Center (Harvard University.) He was Senior Visiting Scholar at the Russian Academy of Sciences in Moscow, Visiting Scholar at the Ecole des Hautes Etudes en Sciences Sociales in Paris, and Visiting Professor at Utrecht University in the Netherlands.

    and Bahukutumbi Raman, doesnt like that endira ghandi was in kgb hands… (i bet glenn beck would not like learning that ML king went to the highlander school either).

    Bahukutumbi Raman:
    Bahukutumbi Raman is a former Additional Secretary (retd), Cabinet Secretariat, Govt of India; former head of the counter-terrorism division of the Research & Analysis Wing (R&AW), India’s external intelligence agency; former member of the National Security Advisory Board (NSAB) of the Government of India; former member of the Special Task Force of the Government of India for the Revamping of the Intelligence Apparatus; former member of the Working and Study Groups on Terrorism of the Council on Security Co-operation Asia Pacific (CSCAP); Honorary Editorial Adviser, “Indian Defence Review”, a quarterly published from New Delhi; author of two books “Intelligence–Past, Present & Future” and “A Terrorist State As A Frontline Ally”. Presently, Director, Institute for Topical Studies, Chennai. Columnist on terrorism and national security related subjects for the Indian media. On the guest lecturer faculties of a number of training institutions of India.

    go through that all and you end up with UNESCO and all that ilk too.

    if you dont believe then read
    UNESCO: Its purpose and Its Philosophy
    by Julian Huxley, First Director-General of UNESCO

    his brother Aldous wrote about a modern slave state which would be kept in order with perversions, drugs and media entertainments. “Brave New World”.

    julian, with FDR and others sought to create one world government under the (progressive) League of Nations… later to be the UN.

    so the only two to comment its not valid both have big time ties back to Moscow, and international socialism…

  4. Appropriate comment from a Yahoo page:

    Man the $hits really about to hit the Fan! how far do you really think you can push us Washington? I promise its not as far as you think.

  5. Whether or not Carlos Fonseca was a KGB agent or not, he certainly made enough pro-Soviet statements to make a normal person cringe. I read his Un Nicaraguense en Moscu some years back. Here is what I recall: Fonseca wrote there was freedom of religion in the USSR. Yeah, right, Carlos. Or when Fonseca approved of the Soviet line that the suppression of the 1956 Hungarian Revolution was done to prevent “fascists” from coming to power.

    I knew a number of Argentines who had fled Hungary, so my point of view did not coincide with that of Carlos Fonseca regarding the Hungarian Revolution.

  6. This isn’t Orwell; we’ve gone way beyond that. We are now into ‘down the rabbit hole’ territory, what with Red Queen Obama in charge.

    “I can’t believe THAT!” said Alice.

    “Can’t you?” said the Queen in a pitying tone. “Try again: draw a long breath, and shut your eyes.”

    Alice laughed. “There’s no use trying,” she said, “one can’t believe impossible things.”

    “I daresay you haven’t had much practice,” said the Queen. “When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why sometimes I believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast!”

    Obama’s whole life has been believing the impossible, and now he’s coupling that with doing the unimaginable.

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