The Wisconsin Senate votes without the fleebaggers…
…and the tally was 18-1 in favor of limiting the collective bargaining rights of public service workers.
And isn’t this statement by Democrat Sen. Bob Jauch the very definition of chutzpah? He said that if Republicans “chose to ram this bill through in this fashion, it will be to their political peril. They’re changing the rules.”
“Changing the rules”? The way the Democrats changed the rules when they fled Wisconsin?
No shame. At all.
Unbelievable what the Democrats are saying here. I shouldn’t be shocked, but I am. And protesters are attempting to storm the Senate Chamber.
Is this where the Civil War starts?
Ram it through, eh? The Republicans waited three weeks for the Democrats to show up and vote. Representatives of the governor were negotiating in good faith for days only to be rejected.
Mr. Frank: “ram it through” means “pass it against our will.”
Finally, I am glad they finally did this, it is going to be interesting as the people go back to work and find that nothing changed except their paycheck getting bigger. Get ready for some childish behavior over the next few days, if they strike I hope they are promptly fired, there will be lots of people interested in those jobs.
“it will be to their political peril.” Wow. That is chutzpah. Well this whole thing has been to somebody’s political peril, but I don’t think it has been the Republicans. The Dems looked ridiculous to most people.
Wow. Still smirking.
Julia, “The Dems looked ridiculous to most people.”
Yes they do, I find it hard to believe that they are seen as “heroes” for running away by some.
Its kind of like a Rorschach test, if you think that going AWOL is an acceptable tactic for democracy you may be missing some critical gene.
If the republicans did it I think they would feel quite different about it.
This is going to be fascinating to watch play out. As neo-neocon has pointed out in several recent posts, the polls have been going against Walker and the Republicans. The Democrats think they have the momentum for an electoral recall election of several Senate Republicans (and even Walker after he meets the “time in office” requirement).
Amazingly, the Republicans are doing the right thing for taxpayers, and the unions and the Democrats want to punish them for it. And if the polls are remotely accurate in measuring voter sentiment, Republicans may very well get punished via recalls. It seems insane to me, but it looks like a real possibility unless Walker improves his salesmanship (which I thought had been pretty good the couple of times I’ve seen him on TV).
Ann Althouse is blogging on this. Things seem to be getting out of hand at the capitol. Lefties go nuts when they don’t get their way.
1. Both political parties are composed of high-minded altruists who happen to disagree about what’s best for America. If you agree, please disregard the rest of this comment.
2. I like how the Wisconsin GOP is getting the shocks out of the way soon after taking office–and well before the next election.
3. Moving on: so, Wisconsin Democrats, what’ll it be, budget cuts or government layoffs?
The polls have been misleading. Walker and the Republicans still have strong support but their followers have to work and can’t show up each day at the Capitol. If anything a lot of conservatives wanted Walker to be tougher. His demeanor is more suited to WI than a Chris Christie.
There will be recalls on both sides. The labor unions and DNC will have big money to pour in to WI. The other side cannot match the dollars but are very committed. The voters are VERY upset about having an election nullified by the fleeing 14. And I was so excited because Rev Jesse Jackson was coming to WI to help the disenfranchised voters but alas he was on the other side.
It continues to be interesting. The left is losing it. It reminds me of their meltdown after the shootings in AZ. They are irrational.
If i remember the definition of chutzpah is a man on trial for murdering his parents begging leniency because he is an orphan
The reports from Madison are sketchy (hard to believe that I used to live there), but what we seems to be happening now is a straight out of Alinsky:
Rule Nine: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.”
and, especially…
Rule Ten: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.”
Essentially, the union and “community organizer” led protesters are going for a Hail Mary here (a bit ironic on Ash Wednesday). They are trying to bait the police, and especially Walker. Preventing the Assembly from meeting tomorrow is not the ultimate goal. The ultimate goal is to scare Walker into calling in the national guard. Imagine how that will look in the sympathetic mainstream media:
“Oh, these peaceful teachers and nurses being physically removed by THE MILITARY. Yes! Yes! Walker is a fascist dictator! Yes, democracy is dead!”
Absurd? Of course. Asinine? Hell yeah! But that won’t matter; perception is reality. Walker must not underestimate the tact, the shrewdness and the ruthlessness of the leadership of these protests. They are well trained professional agitators who understand well the above central point: “perception is reality”.
So far, the response appears good. Assuming the legislators and their staff members are safe, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES should Walker resort to the state militia. At this point, it is all about the media war. And unfortunately, the major players in the MSM are not on Walker’s side.
I was born and raised in Madison; believe me, the last thing I want to see is that stately capitol ransacked. But alas, it may come to this. A mob of crazies tearing apart the symbol of the state’s government would be terribly sad. However, it would also be catastrophic for the unions in the media war. Oh, there would be ample spin, but mob violence can only be spun so much. The unions are betting high that Walker will be too freaked out or too naive (or both) and will blink. We will see if they are right.
The next 24 hours will be crucial.
The cops in the WI capitol aren’t doing anything about anything, apparently….including handcuffing doors together to lock them, as Meade (Mr. Althouse) shows. The cops are all union members, too, so whaddaya expect? Protect and serve? Whom?
I felt great about this outmaneuvering until I read Althouse, and now I’m wondering about what sounds like an impending riot. After all, it’s worth remembering that Madison was where a building got bombed by radicals 40-some years ago.
I still think genuine public opinion is on the side of the Republicans. The media will only support the protestors, but the rest of the people know the dems look utterly insane. The dems have really hurt themselves. They look completely ungovernable and irresponsible. I can’t imagine them winning any more elections.
Also, most people are not at all sympathetic to school teachers these days. For whatever reason, and there’s a lot of blame to go around, the public schools are horrible, and teachers are for a lot of folks, pretty replaceable. Meaning, homeschooling for people who have college degrees, with a bit of organization they could get a better education for their kids by getting together with other educated parents, and starting their own little school somehow. Other public employee jobs might be a bit more difficult to replace. But there are an awful lot of folks out there with university degrees, who could give their kids a better education if they had to. Public school teachers should realize this. They are not so freakin special, I don’t know why they think they are.
Yesterday, I heard a piece on the radio about Ivory Coast. The former president, Laurent Gbagbo, was defeated some time ago in a fair election. Mr. Gbagbo has refused to hand over power to his successor. The country, like other backward countries, is on the verge of yet another civil war.
It struck me that the 14 Wisconsin Senate Democrats who fled the state did the same thing that Gbagbo is doing. They refused to accept the results of a free election and hand over power. The peaceful transition of power is one of the remarkable accomplisments of our system. Because the procedural rules required a quorum of twenty for passage of budget bills, by fleeing the state those 14 Senators were refusing to hand over power — just like dictators in third-world countries.
Tonight, we saw democracy in action in Madison. The Sovereign People had decided to transfer power to a new bunch, accomplished peacefully via the ballot box, and the 19 Republicans chosen to carry out that will finally mustered the courage to do it.
Tomorrow, we will most likely see the mob refuse to recognize that they no longer have power. They will usurp power in an attempt to get what they could not obtain through the peaceful process of the ballot box. They do not understand that we remain free people only so long as we govern ourselves. Throughout history, when a people could not amicably agree among themselves, but instead resorted to riots and chaos and mob rule, general strikes, even violence . . . the call would go out for a strong man to restore order, at the price of freedom.
Word is they have barricaded themselves in the Capitol building by locking the doors from the inside.
Perception is not reality. Perception can influence reality; it can affect future reality. But it is not reality. To say so is like saying that truth is whatever you think it is.
Three huge cheers for Gov. Walker. Now he’d better watch his back. I’m hoping he’s got a bit of John Paul Jones in him, and has not yet begun to fight. Because I’m very much afraid these wizards won’t rest or give it up until some blood is shed.
Off topic:
Maine gets an Obamacare waiver ??
49 more to go !!
http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/09/maine-gets-first-state-waiver-from-healthcare-law-provision/
As I’ve said:
Having to let unions STEAL from your paycheck over $750 per year (this happens to me in CA) so that they can give it to the DNC and fight against Republicans is….
Unamerican.
Period.
I am sick to my stomach that this money comes out of my check every month without anything I can do about it.
It is only that I work for the state of CA that this happens. I never signed a paper. I never authorized it.
However, I DO have to send in a letter every June to make sure it’s only $750 per year and not double that. If I didn’t send in that letter they’d take more. It’s odd. I never joined a union. I obtained EMPLOYMENT.
I want freedom of association.
I want my first ammendment applied to me.
I want the union to stop siphoning money to the DNC.
I want my freedom to be like any other employee. I’ll bargain and negotiate with management myself.
Total theft is what GOVERNMENT unions stand for. Period.
And this is a disgrace
http://www.redstate.com/ben_domenech/2011/03/10/protesters-storm-capitol-in-wisconsin-video/
I can hear them shouting, “I have a right to steal from you. I have a right to steal from you”. Give me your $750 per year forever. Give me. Give me. Give me.”
I would be embarrased to be a Democrat in Wisconsin right now.
Honestly.
To be associated with these people in that video I just posted???
Grow UP!!!
This is getting ugly. There’s a livestream posted at Ace of Spades and at Ann Althouse’s blog, showing the rioting demonstrators inside the Capitol building. Drumming, chanting, shouting threats. Thousands of them. The cops just sashayed out of the way and let them in, the tools.
I think a judicious application of teargas is in order here. Alas, that would play into their grimy little hands. Better to starve them out, and let them run out of toilet paper.
And as others have noted, just Imagine the apoplectic, eye-bulging reaction we’d get from the mediots if the TEA party folks tried something like this?
Yes, it’s getting ugly. It’s going to get uglier.
Baklava, RE:
I want the union to stop siphoning money to the DNC.
I want my freedom to be like any other employee. I’ll bargain and negotiate with management myself.
Total theft is what GOVERNMENT unions stand for. Period.
AMEN.
I bitterly resent that I can’t be employed without paying the relevant union “access fee.” Oh, I don’t have to join the union, I just have to pay all but a small percentage of the union membership in order to opt out. How that is legal, I have no idea.
Additionally I hate how the union thugs claim to represent the entire middle class of America. I am the middle class, as is everyone else in my immediate and extended family, and the unions do not represent us in any way whatsoever.
Go, Wisconsin Republican senators, set the standard for the rest of this country!
Those aren’t Random Thoughts.
Those are poignant thoughts.
Obviously, freedom of association also includes the freedom not to associate without punishment for that choice. And freedom of contracts includes freedom to employ everybody fit for the job, unionized or not. Amusing how so self-evident truths became denied to the extent that their assertion looks now almost revolutionary.
Why am I surprised I’m still surprised at the Dems. I live in Maryland a state under one political rule for over 50 years. What is teaching like in Baltimore, public housing, solar and wind power tax breaks, Chesapeake bay pollution like? Where do the Dems here want to take taxes? OMG the insanity! GOOD LUCK Wisconsin, you’re ahead of the curve, MD is behind.
I went to bed early last night, then woke up in the wee hours (I hate when that happens on a work night). I’ve been reading this Ace of Spades thread about it. After a while I got curious and read some of this Daily Kos thread.
The contrast could not be greater. The Kossacks are all serious and earnest, while the AoS Morons are having a grand old time.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=42215
I like the way Ann Coulter’s mind works. I like her sense of humor, and irony.
I never thought super liberal Wisconsin would be our Lexington-Concord in this fiscal struggle, with that state firing the shot heard ’round the country aimed directly at public sector goonions. But I’ll take it. The Revolution 2.0 has to start somewhere. Besides,we have cookies.
br549,
I read the linked article and I’ll add my, what are we up to, a dime (adjusted for inflation)? Coulter writes: “It’s ludicrous to suggest that these union contracts were fairly bargained. Only one side was at the negotiating table. Ordinary people with jobs were not at the meetings where public sector compensation was discussed.”
Now I’m of the firm opinion that all public sector goonion collective bargaining sessions must be televised, or the goonion decertified. The taxpayers have a right (a real one, not the ficticious collective bargaining ‘right’) to see exactly which politicians are selling them out for political contributions/votes by giving in to every picayune demand. I’d wager were these sessions televised, we’d have a lot less talk about sweetheart contracts because they wouldn’t exist. If the regular working stiffs heard the demands made in such contract talks, there would have been riots years ago. Just look at the city (or county?) in Connecticut that is forced by goonion contract to provide coffee and milk (no dry non-dairy creamer for these elites) to its government employees. At the wages these people are paid, let them spring for their own damn coffee.
The goonions haven’t yet caught on that the taxpayer is pissed at being financially raped by them, and that they are on the wrong side of History. They are wounded animals and are lashing out in pain. Of course, a wounded animal lashing out in pain can hurt someone, and I think that’s the next step in the deevolution of goonions: They will cause massive pain and unrest as they continue to lose the PR battle, unable to face the new financial reality. The goonions thinking they are special and deserve such perks are also losing propositions among John and Jane Taxpayer.
Interesting times, indeed.
I’m with you, RickZ, except for one thing: There’s no such person as “History,” and it has no “side.” It will be what we make of it in the battle, and the battle is on.
One of my favorite quotes from the Harry Potter movies, and endlessly useful and appropriate these days: “Hang on. It’s goon to be a boompy ride.”
betsybounds,
“There’s no such person as “History,” and it has no “side.””
Betsy, speaking as a History major (turned accountant), of course there’s no such person named ‘History’, but it does have a side. It all depends on who gets to write it. If the Germans, or the Japanese for that matter, had won WWII, would we even know of the atrocities committed by those regimes? Of course not. As is often said, History is written by the victors. If the goonions win and write the history of today, then we will be regaled with tall tales of brave goonion thugs fighting, literally, the good fight for some nebulous ‘right’. And that History will be enshrined in the textbooks so that the children will be instructed with that history. That is why the battle for textbook input is so crucial. The Gramscians realize the way to win is to control what’s written in textbooks and studied. And now the Gramscians are unionized, so we know the historical slant they will take. With the goonionized media backing up the public sector goonions, the narrative is of goonion nobility and decency. Of course, if the TEA Parties had done anything near what has transpired, and is continuing to transpire, in Wisconsin, we would have heard the self-fulfilling stories of TEA Party violence, bigotry and hatred. That it is coming from the supposedly liberal left simply cannot be mentioned by our goonionized media. Doesn’t fit the narrative they are striving so hard to have us believe, their ‘History’.
When one hand cuffs the doors to keep people out one is necessarily keeping people from getting out. Not to ask a silly question, but what happen in case of a fire inside the building? In the ensuing panic will there be a way to cut the cuffs off in time to save the lives of all who happen to be in the building?
One wonders how the police will explain their failure to protect the public by not doing their jobs. One also has to ponder whether unionized fire fighters will respond in a timely manner. This is a disaster waiting to happen and much of it lies at the feet of government unions and their responsibility to “Protect and Serve” which seems to be easily ignored by the unions. It also begs the question as to what laws, safety requirements, et al these people will ignore and how many people have to get killed to fulfill their “Greed” at the taxpayer’s expense?
Hand cuff doors are a perfect example of why government unions should not exist.
I LOVE the sound of Dem-Lib-Lefty sobbing in the morning. It sounds like…VICTORY.
Rend those garments. Sob and keen…YES!!
Baklava, Random Thoughts, me too — I am a state employee in NY and although I did not join the union, I must pay the same dues as if I had.
I remember learning in law school that the reasoning behind forcing non-union employees to pay union dues is that the benefits negotiated by the union apply to all workers, even those who aren’t in the union. At the time, that seemed to make sense. However, my labor law professor did not cover the part about allowing the unions to use my money (really, taxpayer money, since it goes straight from their pockets into the unions’ with only a brief stop to be accounted for on my pay stub) for political purposes with which I disagree and in which I have no voice. I can hardly believe the unions can do this and are not required to set aside the funds that come from non-members to be used solely for non-political purposes. The fact that they can use them politically, and disproportionately for the benefit of one party, says all we need to know about the power they wield over the political and governmental process.
Even if I joined the union, I would have no voice in how my money is used. The union officials do not consult the rank and file in decision-making — they do what they want and what they perceive as good for the union, NOT what is necessarily good for the workers (for instance, last year they chose worker layoffs over a request from the Governor to give back part of a contracted raise, in spite of the fact that the workers themselves were pleading with the officials to avoid the layoffs.) The union gets every worker’s dues whether or not the worker joins the union and whether or not the unionized workers agree with what the union’s doing. Thus, the union officials need not worry about pleasing anyone but themselves — and certainly need not give any thought to the taxpayers at all!
No shame. At all.
since when do sociopaths sadists have guilt shame or limits?
anyone other than me understand that their favorite feeling is the feeling of power that comes from another anguish and helplessness to escape their situation?
Both political parties are composed of high-minded altruists
WRONG..
read the definition of altruist please and stop making devils into angels carelessly without thought…
where is hux? he left after beating us up for being ‘wrong’, and now we are right, he is not here to eat his humble pie…
Hell lets don’t stop here. Lets do this thing right while we got our balls out and on the table.. We should demand taxpayer reporations for all the years people were forced to pay for the liberal agenda without representation.
“God’s truth judges created things out of love, and Satan’s truth judges them out of envy and hatred.”
for betsy:
“A prison cell, in which one waits, hopes – and is completely dependent on the fact that the door of freedom has to be opened from the outside, is not a bad picture of Advent”
i sit and wait… for all doors are closed to me
(Artfldgr)
“The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world that it leaves to its children.”
for the militant atheists:
“A God who let us prove his existence would be an idol”
“Only he who believes is obedient and only he who is obedient believes.”
“If you board the wrong train, it is no use running along the corridor in the other direction.”
[he is commenting on times like ours, where we have elected the wrong person, and now want to run backwards…]
“Human love has little regard for the truth. It makes the truth relative, since nothing, not even the truth, must come between it and the beloved person.”
In normal life we hardly realize how much more we receive than we give; life can be rich only with such realization. [letters and papers from prison]
The first service that one owes to others in the fellowship consists of listening to them. Just as love of God begins with listening to his word, so the beginning of love for our brothers and sisters is learning to listen to them.
We have learned a bit too late in the day that action springs not from thought but from a readiness for responsibility.
There is no way to peace along the way to safety. For peace must be dared. It is the great venture.
he failed….
Artfldgr: “gs” actually wrote:
The second sentence indicates that the first sentence was sarcastic.
It all depends on who gets to write it. If the Germans, or the Japanese for that matter, had won WWII, would we even know of the atrocities committed by those regimes? Of course not. As is often said, History is written by the victors.
Often said, but untrue…
Churchill was wrong…
[He won, how’s his history?]
Communism lost… now apply that to your history above.. Do we know or believe the atrocities committed? Do we understand the subversion known to have happened and detailed. Methods? Ideals? Goals? Where are all the movies to show the history?
A complete blank spot, eh?
Noticing what’s missing is harder than noticing what’s not missing.
What’s missing? Where are all the things one would expect?
Did the capitalists write the history after the war, or did Zinn a communist?
Do we believe the facts, or the leftist narrative?
Why did the losers get to write history this time?
[heck, to the point that a film clip from a left liberal american movie, was what was used to create propaganda that got two soldiers shot in germany!!!!!!!!!! ]
The losers got to write history…
So the assertion that the winners do, is false.
[the assertion does not make an exception to a society who lets the losers run around and take up education positions, writing positions, history positions, publishing positions, and such… if we let ex Nazis take over all that, do you think those losers would have written the history of the winners?]
Actually its completely false in that we have gone back and discovered things and resurrected what was cut out…
I side with Betsy… i think more about it. (and I suspect she does too given her answers)
In my book, Betsy beat Churchill on this one ïŠ
he was kicked out by the fabians… tried to warn about Hitler. so did bonhoeffer above. when the ridiculed ideas and facts became reality, and the Fabians realized that they were going to be under Hitler, not stalin… they invited Churchill back…
The minute the war was over what did they do to him?
So did the winner, or the subversives get to write history?
And did the subversives history last, or did the truth?
and lastly, after answering the above, can you realize that leftist truth is a temporary contrivance never meant to last, and to serve a purpose of trickery and manipulation. After you get the gold, and there is no recourse or abilty to correct or return, or recompense, does it matter if the truth is found out?
once a woman is infertile given the advice feminists give, does it matter she realizes the game? of course not… which is why the work on the young, and work on them not to listen to the older people… false truth always has an expiration date
History is the truth… (As betsy validly points out)
Yes lies can be inserted, but over time, they are either corrected, or fall to irrelevance..
the history of the dinosaurs is being discovered..
the truth is concordant, lies are not
and so the more history you know, the more real facts you know, the more wisdom you can glean by knowing which facts to look at, and which to ignore, the easier it is to find the discordant outside the focus of the liar.
Ignorance, false belief, lack of curiosity, lack of skepticism..
are all the friend of the liar and the subversive.
Ask eve… the first victim of neuron-linguistic games…
And a great example of the process of such…
Too bad we forgot the lesson…
But then again, who taught us to temporarily do so for their advantage?
We can go back and point out who lied…
In fact, many times it was a case where the liar thought he got away with it.
Classic example: Lattimore..
Lattimore was attacked for being a spy… he wrote a whiny book, and coined the term McCarthyism… did he ever think that the Russian archives, cpusa archives, smuggled Mitrokhin archives, and telegrams of kgb and gru communication decoded?
Do you think that Ted Kennedy thought the world would know that he betrayed the US colluding with KGB, and that HE approached them? Eventually he cant expend the energy on it… eventually the energy and power will no longer be available to maintain the situation around obama and his birth!
Its temporary at best… and the time needed to pass depends on the followers ability to stop defending the lie they were taught to love, and start waking up to the fact that evil can do good to when it serves evil.
The marvelous thing about truth is that it needs no energy to be preserved…
lies need energy.. [Funny how the universe is constructed that way…]
So even if a regime lies… and they are the winners.
The truth will out… (Another saying)
Sangers history is a lie… whats happening now?
The dems history with the kkk was almost gone… now wahts happening?
Eventually the people who are expending resources to maintain the lie, run out of resources, life, will, or care.
at what point will they realize that protesters do not have the right of damage… and so, they can remove them any time they want, as the protesters were not just happy with protesting…
if they moved any papers, hung things on wall with tape, and so on… thats VANDALISM… and the state and people do not have to tolerate their remaining to be vandals… as vandals, and protesters are different thing..
as are visgoths… but thats another story… 🙂
Artfldgr: the losers get to write history if for some reason the winners are suffused with feelings of guilt. Then the losers get to play on it and exploit it. It’s a joint venture.
Neo,
True, but the point invalidates the other point of the victors do… in essence, regardless of who writes it, more often than not, its staying power is either dependent upon truth, or energy.
the scam of the priori of zion has been maintained by energy from the soviet state… and so the idea of the Jewish conspiracy to take over the world, and so forth, never dies (until they do, or the energy is gone, etc).
modern kitsch wisdom from last centuries commenter has not been fully refined by time…
along with the victors write the history, as a variation of to the victors belong the spoils, in this case the spoil being the privilege of dictating a temporary history… till next fight..
and all this doesn’t even take in the truth and validity of the nature of reality as exposed or illustrated in Rashomon…
nor does it take in all the other deep thought as to what truth is, vs other things. steeped in the malaise of nihilistic materialist only existence, its hard to see truth beyond what we think is concrete.
often, i notice that when one introduces a new fact, that it has no effect. to quote a comment on global warming that illustrated the point in the abstract…
If you take the time to read this abstract, you may or may not notice the effect, or the condition, or whatever you want to call it to label it so we can talk about it (for all i care you can call it Penelope – such label language systems arent reality to me).
Acceleration of the contribution of the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets to sea level rise
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2011/2011GL046583.shtml
in this example, they do it to themselves.
but in other examples i see when i step back, i CONSTANTLY watch people have it happen to them from an external, but do the same thing, with only the source of the contradiction being different.
Ice sheet mass balance estimates have improved substantially in recent years using a variety of techniques, over different time periods, and at various levels of spatial detail. Considerable disparity remains between these estimates due to the inherent uncertainties of each method, the lack of detailed comparison between independent estimates
yada yada yada…
but here is a quote, that illustrates it.
Notice something in the abstract? More than the first quarter of it is devoted to saying how unreliable are the gravity-based measurements they use. They then of course go on to claim that they have got it right. That they have got it WRONG is obvious however. Why? Because their fundamental claim that sea levels are rising at an accelerating rate is false! The satellite data shows in fact that sea level rise rates have slowed in the last five years.
facts and meaning to exist have to have effect!
its odd to me that when i put in a fact, a fact that should have every one re-jigger things. its as if it goes in one ear and out the other, and there is nary any thing more substantial than aerogel to stop it.
we talk about the financial crisis..
now there is a report pointing out that a huge part of it was also an outside attack… do we change our assessments and arguments and assumptions?
no…
i point out ted Kennedy crap when he was alive… did it modify any points any one made, or was making as to him, his truthfulness, and so on? not an iota… but when the same stuff is now released as a record… its a big news thing…
it points to the other side of truth
that one has to be open to receive it and let it change you…
the truth shall set you free.. .
funny how many lines from the bible the secular steal for their songs… and comments, and so forth.
Mrs.
It’s a crime to me.