Anti-Semitic drawings and the San Francisco anti-circumcision campaign
Zombie illustrates that an anti-Semitic cartoon has been pressed into service in the San Francisco fight to ban circumcision.
It was only a matter of time. And, lest you think this is some sort of fake, the San Francisco Chronicle has reported on it as well, with a statement from the cartoon’s creator, the aptly-named Matthew Hess:
A lot of people have said [the cartoons are anti-Semitic], but we’re not trying to be anti-Semitic. We’re trying to be pro-human rights.
If this isn’t “trying,” I’d hate to see trying:
Actually, I have seen “trying.” Anti-Semitic cartoons have a long history. They were one of the most potent tools of the Nazis, often via a newspaper known as Der Sté¼rmer, published by Julius Stiecher. Stiecher was executed at Nuremberg for his efforts, which included an insidiously evil little book for children called Der Giftpilz (“The Poison Mushroom”).
Here’s a typical sample from Der Sté¼rmer. This illustration appeared in 1935, with the title “Legion of Shame” and this caption [translation]: Ignorant, lured by gold/They stand disgraced in Judah’s fold./Souls poisoned, blood infected/Disaster broods in their wombs:
The book The Poison Mushroom was a pedagogic device for children, to teach them how to recognize Jews and their insidious evil. Examples abound of the book’s illustrative bile; here, for example, is its lovely cover:
And here’s some instruction on how to recognize a Jew (“The Jewish nose is bent. It looks like the number six…”
Wading through this stuff to select illustrations for this post was like tromping through a cesspool (here’s an archive if you’d like to research it yourself). Even now, these images have the power to make the hair on my arms rise in alarm, although they’ve lost their immediate power to kill. Compared to them, it’s true that “Monster Mohel” is tepid stuff. But it disseminates the very same poison.
[ADDENDUM: More Nazi art, this time resembling the Mohel in the Foreskin Man cartoon to a T. See this and this (and note, in the comments section of the latter link, the number of commenters supporting the foreskin ban who state they’re Jewish. I’m almost certain they are trolls/sockpuppets.]
To paraphrase Hermann Goering, when I hear about “human rights” I reach for my Luger. This is the favorite device of knaves to make a trap for fools.
It has always amazed me that on the whole in general Jews in this country vote democrat. While at the same time anti-Semitism is prevalent on the left. Many times like this situation in The Peoples Democrat Republic of San Francisco it is obvious and overt. And even though it is overtly anti-Semitic the libs will say we are not seeing what is there.
In a discussion of problems in the Middle East, lib dems will almost always come out on the side opposite Israel.
Oh and FTR you can bet your last dollar that if such a campaign were initiated in a red state the outcry would be unbelievably loud.
This week in my daily experiment of listening to Progressive radio I replaced their standard
shibbolethsepithets with “Jews”. Capitalists, banksters, fatcats, etc. all take the substitution quite well.Interesting, too, how that fits with old memes about Jews. And how many of the Progressive targets in the economy have Jewish heritage.
These stereotypes have existed for so long and across cultures, they may have become Jungian archetypes for evil. It may be impossible to overstate threats posed against a Jewish identity.
I don’t think I want to hear his definition of “human”.
Sadly, this doesn’t surprise me a bit. Ever since I first heard about this lunatic proposal, I wondered, “What about Jews? Doesn’t this essentially ban the practice of Judaism in San Francisco?” Well, now I have my answer.
Muslims practice circumcision too, don’t they? Shouldn’t they issue a fatwa or something?
Circumcision is anti human rights? Really? No, it is cleaner and healthier. It is about as anti human rights as shaving your legs.
I will always remember an encounter I once had in San Francisco. My dad used to live there, and me and my brother lived not far away in San Jose with our mother. We’d visit him on weekends.
One of those weekends he took us out for a nice dinner at Ruth’s Chris Steakhouse – a tony place, with excellent food – and my step-mother brought along a friend of hers from work. Me and my brother were around the 10-12 year-old age bracket.
The friend, it seems, wanted to give me and my brother a present, to welcome us, or be polite, or who knows the strange ethics of San Franciscans – but anyway, she excitedly bought, brought and handed to us the most thoughtful gifts she could imagine (I swear this is true):
Two t-shirts with Ho Chi Minh’s mug plastered on the front, just like Che Guevara’s would be today.
No joke. And for those who don’t know, I’m relatively young – this was not 1967, it was circa 1992.
It gets worse.
The woman evidently didn’t know that my step-mother’s brother had been killed in Vietnam, and what ensued was one of the most unpleasant evenings I’ve ever experienced. I had no idea who this guy was on the shirt, and when I put it on later my step-mother practically burned it off of my back with a flamethrower. My dad had to sit me down and give me a history lesson.
Anyway, that’s just how it is in San Franpsycho (as I call it). Half the time the people don’t even know the evil they’re playing with. It’s just “in the air,” like oxygen and our old friend, the “pollutant” CO2. In that sense, neo’s hair-raising summoning of Nazi times is oddly appropriate.
What a story, Kolnai. Like you said, in 1992? The Bay Area is replete with people like the Bourbons, who have learned nothing and have forgotten nothing.
Any anti-Vietnam War persons who didn’t adjust their opinions of the conflict after the genocide in Cambodia were rather close-minded – an attribute the enlightened inhabitants of the Bay Area assumed applied only to those residing outside the Bay Area.
Here is a Berserkeley person who had an opinion adjustment under rather tragic circumstances.
Proving for once and for all, as if further proof were needed, that Nazism is National Socialism, and that its antisemitism was not an optional feature, but was, and still, is a core part of all socialism.
For those who do not understand the debased and degraded language of politics in the United States here in the early part of the 21st century. Here is a guide. In 19th century a liberal was a person who believed in free minds, free men, and free markets. Such people are now called libertarians or conservatives.
If our liberals were at all honest, they would call themselves socialists. Sometimes, they call themselves “progressives”. They do not, however, believe in progress, to which they are stoutly opposed. They do identify with the upper class socialist movement of the early 20th century which called itself progressive, but which was really socialism with a nasty dose of class and race based condescension. The condescension is shared by progressives ancient and modern, as is socialism.
The Democrat party was founded by southern planters and was rooted in liberalism, states rights, and slavery. In the 20th century it embraced progressiveism, first in the Wilson Administration, and the more fully in the “New Deal”. In the 1970s, it became a full fledged socialist party by purging the heirs of the southern planter class (the “San Francisco” Democrats).
The prejudice is as ancient as it is evil.
The same activists who are very concerned about the born baby’s “human rights” don’t give a rat’s ass about the unborn baby’s “human rights” to life.
So long as the fetus is butchered to death in vitro, then all is good in “human rights” world.
Makes sense.
Does anyone know what the polls say the vote will be like?
Santa Monica, an incorporated city which is part of Los Angeles County, may also put this up for a vote — apparently same group is behind it. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/05/27/2011-05-27_ballot_measure_banning_circumcision_may_be_up_for_vote_in_santa_monica.html.
That mohel looks like he wants Hess’s white wimmens.
Curious.
Eisenhower had any troops he could find go thru the camps with the stipulation that in future when someone denies the Holocaust happened they should say otherwise and that they were there.
They waited oh these many years for the die off to begin before they came out of their holes.
Scott…soon it will be only those born babies born on the left side of the tracks, so to speak
Eisenhower had any troops he could find go thru the camps with the stipulation that in future when someone denies the Holocaust happened they should say otherwise and that they were there.
Ah, but that’s also why Ike had the foresight to have the camps extensively filmed. Harder to get rid of all the copies than it is to simply wait for nature to take its course.
So it turns out that the free love anti establishment hippies have one hell of a bigoted head on their shoulders. “Imagine” that.
You know what strikes me about this? Two things.
First, how many Gentiles know what a mohel is?
The term is part of my recognition vocabulary, but not part of my working vocabulary, i.e., I couldn’t have summoned it up but recognize it now that I see it. And I have no idea what either a brit milah or a mitzitzah b’pei are.
Second, why focus on Jews? They’re a trifling proportion of those practicing circumcision in the U.S., where almost all men are snipped.
Discrimination is bad unless it directed at white men and now apparently jews. Yet another reminder that the left has gone off the deep end and needs to be voted out of office permanently.
Madam Neocon,
I disagree. The “Mohel” cartoons are less than tasteful but the nazi comparison is absolutely inappropriate. Nazis did more than created tasteless cartoons and the purpose of their cartoons wasn’t the ban on circumcision.
Being Jewish I haven’t lost any love for mohels, particularly the ones who spread infections because of their religious bigotry:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/std/std-bris.shtml
[note from neo-neocon: and the above commenter is exactly and precisely what I meant in the addendum when I wrote that you should note, at one of the links, “the number of commenters supporting the foreskin ban who state they’re Jewish. I’m almost certain they are trolls/sockpuppets.” And hey, isn’t it amazing, right on schedule, here comes one of them, “schlemazl,” to this blog, with the same message. My guess is that there’s a bunch of them trolling around to all the blogs dealing with this issue. I would guess that most of them aren’t Jewish, either, although that hardly matters.]
shlemazl . . .
Your name suits you. You sound like one of those infamous self-hating Jews.
May all your teeth fall out except one, and may that one have a toothache.
Sickening, isn’t it?
Some people never learn…
Saith John: “It has always amazed me that on the whole in general Jews in this country vote democrat. While at the same time anti-Semitism is prevalent on the left. Many times like this situation in The Peoples Democrat Republic of San Francisco it is obvious and overt. And even though it is overtly anti-Semitic the libs will say we are not seeing what is there.”
I agree, but don’t count out the many flavors of Christians who are anti-semitic, too. I have sat in congregations of people I would have gladly continued to worship with, but for the fact that they are obsessed with Jewish conspiracies. They believe that the Star of David is satanic in origin, or that they truly believe, as my brother does, that Israel has no right to exist. He’s a ‘good Christian’, but won’t answer the question, “What then, do you do with all the people calling themselves Jews or Israelis?” I’m sure he’s figured that there is a final solution to that problem somewhere down the road.
Jewel,
Christians who are anti-semitic are in my view, not Christians at all. Period. With all due respect, and no offense intended to you, people like your brother are the lowest of the low to me. One step removed from the people in Europe who looked the other way, and said to themselves, “well they DID kill Christ, after all.”
Maybe not even one step removed. Because I think we can confidently predict that if ths S–t ever hit the fan for Jews in America like it did for them in Europe in the 30s and 40s’, YOUR brother sure as hell isn’t going to be hiding a Jewish family in his attic. In fact, quite to the contrary, I think we can count on him to be one of the ones who will not be able to look the other way, and will compelled to REPORT to the authorities the suspicious noises he has heard coming from MY attic.
Yeah — a real good “Christian”.
People who profess and pretend to be “Christian” but yet express distaste and distrust of Jews, and have the attitude that Israel has “no right” to exist, etc. — I find such people particularly loathesome and much worse than Atheists or Agnostics who hold that view for this reason: It makes it that much harder to convince Jews to jump off the Democrat bus, and come over to our side.
I have too many Jewish friends who believe the stereotype that actual PRACTICING politically conservative Christians (as opposed to the non-threatening Christian-Lites, e.g., most democrat Episcopalians) are, beneath that smile and behind that Crucifix necklace and WWJD bracelet — are really bigoted, racist, homophobic, and anti-Semitic — and if they support Israel at all, it is due to that Evangelical Rapture stuff, the libs constantly try to pin on Palin.
Another thing that has always amazed me is people who claim to be Christians but are anti Semitic. Christians claim that Jesus was/is their savior. Jesus was/is a Jew. I have never understood that.
Hating a race of people and claiming or accepting one of that race as savior is ludicrous.
Madam Neocon:
1. I do not support the ban and neither did I say it. I do find your comparison with Nazis stupid and counterproductive – and just as tasteless as the cartoons.
2. I am Jewish. I call myself “shlemazl” because that was how my grandfather called me. He did it with love. He died when I was 5 years old.
3. You should not be jumping to the conclusions. Our political views are likely quite similar based on your “bio”.
Then again you have a master’s degree in “marriage” and I am a mere physicist, so who am I to argue?
Did you click on that link to “Zombie” and actually LOOK at the Monster Mohel cartoon, schlemucki?
If the similarities of that Anti-Jew cartoon to the Jew-hating propaganda cartoons, published by the NAZIs in the 30’s, do not shock you – then you are what Neo says you are.
The comparison is not “stupid,” because the anti-Jew propaganda sentiment expressed (as opposed to what could have been a “health of the infant” argument, or some such) is indeed very reminiscent of the poison that sprang forth in the early 1930s, from…..oh yeah, Nazi Germany. That cannot be allowed to stand. No sir. Not in my country. Too many of my fellow countrymen have shed their blood to keep that from our shores.
And the comparision is not “counterproductive” because when slimy scum like that cartoon is put out in the public square, and we are seeing that kind of thing getting worse and worse….the time has come for righteous people to “PUNCH BACK TWICE AS HARD” (to quote our current President of the United States). Whoever created that hateful dreck, has got to be shamed, and driven back into his dirty little hole.
John,
When my son was a teenager, he came home one day and said – a kid in my class said he doesn’t like Jews, because “they killed Jesus.” I sat him down – and in addition to your point which I mentioned to him, I told him this:
You either believe in Christ or you don’t. That is your choice to make, not mine. If you don’t believe in him, then he was just some nutty preacher who said crazy things, and called himself the messiah and finally got himself executed because he was stirring up folks. In which case….who CARES WHO had him executed. They executed people right and left in those days. The guy to his left was getting executed for shoplifting a six pack from Winn Dixie. The other guy for holding up a 7-11. Or something like that. That was how it worked back then.
But IF we believe in Him, then we believe he is Lord of all creation. As Lord and Master, His word is the final word, I would bet it is safe to say, right? Okay…..then based on everything we think we know about him —- how do you think HE would instruct (not ask, but instruct) you to treat everyone around you — including Jewish people.
That tact made sense and at least worked for my kid. Don’t know if it would work for anybody else’s.
Southern James:
I wasn’t around in the 30s. Can’t talk from personal experience which permeates your words, James what this is “reminiscent” of.
The cartoons are tasteless and – one can argue – antisemitic because they are trying to reproduce antisemitic facial stereotypes.
My point is simply that this isn’t Nazism and neoneocon is debasing the term. I do know what Nazism is, as many members of my family were murdered and I have personally dealt with modern neonazis.
“I am a mere physicist”
Wow, you must be soooo smart, I guess we have to bow down to your superior knowledge and intellect.
“The cartoons are tasteless and — one can argue — antisemitic because they are trying to reproduce antisemitic facial stereotypes”
This is where I call bullsh*t on your phony claim to be Jewish. If you don’t know what a “mohel” is, then you aren’t Jewish. Not to mention several other *unmistakably and inarguably* Jewish references in the piece of hate filth. This could not be more explicitly antisemitic but you’re still trying to deny it.
“I do know what Nazism is, as many members of my family were murdered”
Yeah, right, I hear that so often from people slamming Israel “I lost relatives in the Holocaust boohoo” and I don’t believe them any more than I believe you. Not working, liar.
shlemazl: I can’t very well debase the term Nazism if I never used it. I am pointing out a similarity in the graphics which is quite obvious. There is a clear anti-Semitic intent by the designer of the graphics. I wrote, “Compared to them [the Nazi cartoons and drawings], it’s true that “Monster Mohel” is tepid stuff. But it disseminates the very same poison.” That poison is anti-Semitism.
As for your claim to be Jewish, a physicist, relatives who died in the Holocaust, etc.—it may or may not be true. As I wrote earlier, it really doesn’t matter, because at this point you are part of an anti-Semitic cause, as an apologist and tool for anti-Semitism.
What’s more, you’ve never been on this blog before. There has most definitely been an influx of “I’m a Jew and I’m against circumcision and those Monster Mohel cartoons really aren’t so bad, etc. etc.” commenters all around the blogosphere, dumping comments on blogs that have posted on this issue. I find that suspicious.
Gary,
This is funny.
Have I “slammed Israel”? May I ask where do YOU live?
And what makes you think that I do not know what a “Mohel” is? On the contrary. Although my personal view is that mohels should be banned as an outdated religious practice. Circumcisions should be carried out in hygienic conditions in hospitals by qualified medical personnel.
In particular a disgusting practice. still used in certain communities when mohel sucks on babies pennis to remove blood, should be outlawed as it has lead to transfer of STDs to babies.
How could anyone with more than two seeds rattling around in their gourd look at that poster and not see just how much it has in common with the Nazi stuff? It is vile. Utterly so.
BTW, thank you, Neo. I almost lost my appetite looking at your examples. Can’t imagine wading through them all.
shlemazl said:
“I disagree. The “Mohel” cartoons are less than tasteful but the nazi comparison is absolutely inappropriate. Nazis did more than created tasteless cartoons and the purpose of their cartoons wasn’t the ban on circumcision.”
“Absolutely inappropriate”. Hmmph.
The infection has to start somewhere. What better place to gain a foothold than shlemazl’s mind?
“Thou shall not be a victim. Thou shall not be a perpetrator. above all, thou shall not be a bystander.”
You’re just getting in deeper with your lying contortions, “shlemazel”. If you *know* what a mohel is, then how can you say a cartoon that spews about “Monster Mohel” is only “arguably” antisemitic. You clearly are trying to downplay the blatant antisemitism of these cartoons.
So let’s recap “shlemazel’s” lies:
He’s not Jewish.
He didn’t have a kindly Jewish grandfather who nicknamed him “shlemazel”.
He didn’t lose any relatives in the Holocaust, unless they were concentration camp guards killed by the Allies.
He’s not a physicist, either.
The only thing that rings true is the nickname “shlemazel”. Roughly translated it means “loser”, and this guy is a loser, big-time.
Shlemazl,
“Tasteless” because they are “trying” to “reproduce anti-semitic FACIAL stereotypes”? I guess you must have missed, e.g., the Tallit? Trying?
And the word “tasteless.” TASTELESS????? Are you f–king kidding me? Propaganda cartoons to show that it is EVIL JOOOOS who mutilate baby boys — thereby encouraging and FOMENTING (as if encouragement in modern society is even needed) HATRED of Jews – which look eerily LIKE the kind of cartoons the Nazis used to produce.
That is how it is “reminscent” of what was published in the 30’s.
And you claim that it merely that “one can argue” that the hate cartoons are anti-semitic. Really. Can one indeed argue that? (eyes roll).
I don’t think you are a Jew. I think you’re a lying fraud.
If you ARE a Jew then you’re a self loathing Jew who for some reason hates and/or resents his religion and his heritage.
You are either one or the other, but I don’t care which one you are – because either way you’re not worth another minute of my time.
shlemazl –
Neo didn’t say it was Nazism, so your point has already been granted beforehand. She was *comparing*, as indicated when she said,
“*Compared* to them, it’s true that Monster Mohel is tepid stuff.”
She adds that the cartoon disseminates the same poison as Nazi propaganda – which is, of course, anti-semitism. You’ve allowed that the cartoons may be anti-semitic. Where’s your beef, exactly? I’m failing to see it.
If an organization disseminated racial caricatures of blacks in order to message against, lets say, single-parenthood, would you think it was off-bounds to compare the cartoons to Jim Crow caricatures? Why?
You can’t possibly mean to suggest that comparisons and analogies across time are beyond the pale unless the things being compared are exactly the same in every way. That reduces to tautology – “Only Nazism can be compared to Nazism” – and thus serves to wall off many forms of like prejudice from their proper echoes. That is, your standard seems to be to seal off Nazism, forget where anti-semitic poison can lead, and just politely suggest that it’s tasteless whenever we see it. You say neo “debases” Nazism; it seems you’d like to exalt it.
One more thing: You may have had experience with neonazis, but I’ve had experience with San Franciscans. I lived in the city for years, and I can assure you that an uncomfortably large plurality of its denizens would rejoice if Israel were “pushed into the sea.”
Now, whether one wants to associate that with Nazism or not is a matter of discretion – but surely it rises above mere tasteless anti-semitic vibes in isolated dumbass instances. This is a far larger problem in the context in which the cartoons arose.
In sum, we have Nazi-like propaganda that you ostensibly dislike pushing a cause you ostensibly disagree with in a city filled with people who would gladly see Israel evaporate along with everyone in it, which you would ostensibly not support…
Again, what’s your problem?
This is why you seem like a troll.
Madam neo-neocon:
With respect, you used the term “Nazis” and you referenced Der Sturmer and Poison Mushroom. Your whole post is an attempt to draw parallels.
There is one fundamental difference. The purpose of Nazis and Der Sturmer cartoons was to murder all Jews. Not all antisemites are nazis; it is an extreme form.
In my view, this comparison should be used sparingly. For example, it is reasonable to compare Hamas and Hezbollah to Nazis – they have called for extermination of all Jews.
However I would not consider it reasonable to call Christopher Hitchens a “nazi”, even if he isn’t very fond of mohels either. And Helen Thomas is no Nazi, even though she is clearly a vile antisemite.
Gary Rosen Says:
June 5th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
🙂 Gary, I would love to show you my “proof” but it wouldn’t reach.
Failing that… Maybe you would like to visit a blog where I occasionally and where they know me well: http://simplyjews.blogspot.com/
In the mean time you may want to take something to calm yourself down before you make yourself look even more like an idiot than you already did.
BTW Gary – “He didn’t lose any relatives in the Holocaust, unless they were concentration camp guards killed by the Allies.”
Nice touch!
Schmucki
The purpose of the Der Sturmer cartoons was NOT “to murder Jews.” How does a cartoon commit murder? The purpose of those cartoons, was to reinforce, encourage, and validate emotional feelings of anti-semitism….another way of saying….Hatred of Jews.
Kind of like these cartoons.
For the Nazis to do their job and not have it be too distasteful to the Volks, propaganda conditioning is a preparatory tool.
Those cartoons, and these cartoons are Hatred of Jews propaganda.
I guess you’re okay with anti-semitism from say Helen Thomas, as long as she doesn’t actually VOICE her support for the ovens, and/or raise doubts if it even happened.
I never said that I am OK with any antisemitism. It’s just that not all antisemitism is akin to Der Sturmer and has extermination as the ultimate purpose.
In the case of these cartoons I am not even sure that the author is antisemitic. He is using antisemitic imagery, yes. Unfortunately, over the centuries it has permeated psyche of many. Note that the tasteless “comics” have an innocent baby-Jew, who is being saved from the evil mohel. Don’t recall any innocent Jews in Der Sturmer – babies or not.
And the campaign against circumcision – while I do not agree with an outright ban – is not in itself antisemitic in any way.
If the cartoonist had used imagery of blacks in a negative manner like he used these, he would be raked over the coals and sent to one of the left’s reeducation camp. And the libs would not be rationalizing and making excuses and for him.
Here is a good example:
http://www.africanaristocrat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Zapiro-Cartoon-about-Jakob-Zuma.png
It is usually the lefties who tend make inappropriate comparisons.
I’ll say it: I’ve thought for a while now that we’re reliving 1930’s Nazi Germany all over again (the present-day muslims being the ardent inheritors of Nazi ‘kill the Jew’ ideology). I often wondered back in my college history class days how an enlightened and educated Nation like Germany could fall for the snake oil salesman, Schickelgruber, peddling (for fun and profit) his murderous game plan in Mein Kampf. Then we had Obama peddling the same snake oil, along with his book outlining his progressive ideals (which are not a bright spot, by any means, and also for profit) in his own how-to race baiting book, Dreams From My Father. These ‘cartoons’ are further proof of that 1930’s sinking feeling I have, and would make Leni Riefenstahl proud. My only hope is that our Churchill, who continually warned about Herr Hitler as a backbencher in Parliament, is Palin, another backbencher who seems to be the only politician to get Obama, as well as his goat. She is the only one calling the Obamamessiah the liar he is.
So yes, shlemazl, that drawing/cartoon/whatever is antisemitic, creating a fertile field for a future Holocaust (but this time, like good progressives, they’ll not stop with the Jews). If you really are Jewish and cannot see that, then there is no hope for you. You have the historical advantage of knowing about the trains, the camps, and the gas chambers of Nazi Germany, created and fomented through ‘art’. That you studiously ignore History’s lessons is mind boggling.
You opened my eyes.
America today is just like Germany in the 30s. Obama is peddling same stuff Schicklgruber did. And Sarah Palin is exactly like Churchill.
Get it.
shlemazl,
Nice try. Your faux Yiddish English is transparent as hell.
shlemazl
For example, it is reasonable to compare Hamas and Hezbollah to Nazis — they have called for extermination of all Jews. …..And Helen Thomas is no Nazi, even though she is clearly a vile antisemite. Let’s see. Helen Thomas told Israeli Jews to go back to Poland and Germany, places where Jews were exterminated in the gas ovens.
I’m sorry, I’m not bright enough to follow your nuanced thinking. [sarc, sarc]
The Mohel look is remarkably typical of much traditional anti-Semitic cartoonery. If it were in any other context I’d find it quite shocking — okay I actually did find it shocking, but then I realised the context. It was a political message from the American Left, one of the most debased, amoral, and insidious movements ever seen in the modern Western World.
The thing I really don’t get is why so many American Jews support this horrible movement?
Shlemazi,
Isn’t amazing how upset people get when somebody disagrees with them, and how they can carried to extremes by their ire?
“Antisemitism” is different that hating Jews. “Antisemitism” is the prejudice against those of “Semitic” racial background. “Antisemitism” was conceived in Germany in the late 1800’s as a way of getting around the fact that many Jews had converted to Christianity (like the Rothschild families of Germany and France). “Antisemitism” allowed the cultivated and cultured Germans to “nuance” their way into continuing to despise everyone with Jewish ancestry.
On the other hand, “Jew hatred” is the hatred of Jews, especially practicing, religious Jews. Hess may be “antisemitic,” but it is obvious that he also hates Jews. And since a child, or adult, has to be circumcised in order to be a Jew, banning circumcision in the long run effectively exterminates Jews from the face of the earth.
I would prefer to see people like him called “Jew haters.” Truth in advertizing and all that.
No kidding.
I guess internet makes us all a bit dumber. Although some of the gentlemen here must have had a head start.
RickZ-
I agree with you re the 1930s replay.
As to shlemazl, my guess is English is not his first language. Beyond that, he’s a dog turd in the gutter and I’ll walk past.
Just showed this article to a friend of mine. He quipped:
“Looks like San Fransisco has decided to embrace the only socialism that works.”
But seriously, the “hero” is blatantly aryan. The Monster Mohel looks like he stepped out of the manga classic, Vampire Hunter D. He has talon’s for God’s sake! Talons!
I can’t help but think this is nearly the perfect test. Show this “comic” to someone you are barely acquianted with. How do they react? That will tell you all you’ll ever need to know about them.
Shlemazl has simple been kind enough to let us know upfront how flexible he can be when it comes to tolerating anit-jew propaganda.
Here are my thoughts on the matter. Context: I am a Gentile American who was circumcised at birth. This works out quite well for me, because I’m converting to Judaism and not having to undergo circumcision at age 21 is quite the blessing. Because I will raise my children as Jews, any sons of mine will be circumcised. I have no problem with circumcision as a practice.
But, despite my own feelings about it, I don’t think that non-Jewish Americans should be snipped at birth unless their parents specifically request it. As far as I know, there is not an overwhelming amount of evidence that circumcision is good for people who don’t have phimosis or other problems that necessitate circumcision. It might be healthier or more hygienic or whatever or it might not be, but most people on Earth got around just fine without being circumcised for thousands and thousands of years, so I suspect people will get along fine if they stop circumcising people who don’t need to be circumcised.
Everyone should have the right to have their son circumcised (so I oppose the ban in San Francisco), but I think the general policy of snipping non-Jewish Americans should be stopped. There are two cited reasons for circumcision: a religious reason, and a scientific reason. In my opinion, religious circumcision should not be obstructed. But the scientific reason requires a scientific consensus. If there is no scientific consensus that doing essentially irreparable damage to the penis of a child is necessary, then it shouldn’t be done, unless the parents specifically request it for cultural reasons.
The clearly anti-Semitic cartoons being used in the San Francisco anti-circ crusade are symptomatic of the fact that people blame circumcision on the Jews, despite the fact that Jews make up a negligible percent of the doctors performing circumcision or the parents accepting it. In addition to just not subjecting infants to unnecessary medical procedures, making leaving babies uncircumcised the norm would lessen the anti-Semitic rhetoric in use against circumcision.
Monster Mohel & the Aryan superman savior of the holy foreskin are definitely reminiscent of Nazi propaganda. To think otherwise is to be willfully blind or a fool; unless one is truly anti-semetic in which case Monster Mohel is but a tool to spread hatred.
Bryan says, “In addition to just not subjecting infants to unnecessary medical procedures, making leaving babies uncircumcised the norm would lessen the anti-Semitic rhetoric in use against circumcision.”
My eldest son was born in 1978, my second in 1981, and in both cases circumcision was a matter of parental choice as it should remain. No one is forcing parents in San Francisco (or elsewhere in the USA) to have their newborn sons circumcised.
Parker: Obviously no one is forcing anyone to circumcise their sons, but based on the few times I’ve run into the anti-circumcision crowd online, a chief complaint of theirs seems to be a subtle coercion based on peer pressure. I was making more of a statement that in general, people should avoid the assumption that a newborn American would be circumcised (Do people ask about these things? I don’t know enough new parents to know.). And more specifically, medical professionals who work with childbirth should avoid the subject unless specifically requested by the parents or unless circumcision appears to be medically necessary.
“The Mohel look is remarkably typical of much traditional anti-Semitic cartoone”
The “look” doesn’t even matter. The very use of the word “Mohel” marks this trash as unmistakably antisemitic. *Zero* chance that it is not, not 0.00001 percent. A mohel is a person authorized to perform ritual circumcision under Jewish law. It is a Jewish reference, period. Therefore this propaganda is antisemitic QED.
Not to mention other Jewish references in the tract. If someone were merely opposed to circumcision they could try to use medical arguments and “the baby should have a choice” argument. No need to bring *any* Jewish references, unless you are trying to promote antisemitism. Loser (it’s easier to write than “shlemazel”) keeps trying to whitewash it saying “I’m not sure the author is antisemitic”, so he has no credibility.
I was circumcised at 40. I would much prefer if this was done 40 years earlier.
My guess is that the idiots in San Fran were oblivious to the fact that Muslims also snip.
(Non-Israeli) Jews are for the most part, easy targets. They appear conditioned (perhaps by tens of centuries of periodic pograms and persecution, in whatever lands they have settled?) to not fight back, keep their heads low, and not make trouble until the latest round of persecution passes over.
And then on top of that, in the West, you even have enablers (assuming he is even a Jew and not a troll) like Schmucki – smug self satisfied, oh-so much smarter than us Rubes, secularists. Some of whom even side with the Jordanians….oops, I meant “Palestinians,” in their struggle to achieve a peaceful co-existence side by side with their co-equal Jewish neighbors. (sarcasm).
So pretty much, but for the (non-violent) push back from folks like us – it seems like we’re back to anything goes, when it comes to Jew Hate these days.
Different story with Muslims. Which is why I don’t think in the end, this proposed ban will get too far. Just wait until CAIR or some similar organization weighs in. San Fran will back down just like that. The proposal will disappear as if it never happened.
That’s my prediction. We’ll see what happens.
Gary Rosen: “The very use of the word “Mohel” marks this trash as unmistakably antisemitic.”
False. It’s OK to attack religion as long as you don’t use medieval stereotyping.
Physicians who carry out mohel’s duties in hospitals are fine. Otherwise mohels are about as much use as… someone with a Master’s in marriage. Mohels who follow the disgusting and unsanitary tradition of sucking on baby’s penis should be banned. In fact they are banned in many places.
Jim Sullivan: “Shlemazl has simple been kind enough to let us know upfront how flexible he can be when it comes to tolerating anit-jew propaganda.”
I really liked the clear but measured statement on the issue by ADL which managed to convey the objection without ever resorting to the “N” word. The moment you claim that this is like Germany in 1930s, you give the impression of being just as stupid as the other crowd.
This whole anticircumcision campaign is ridiculous, no chance of success. “Foresking Man” superhero? Seriously? Even if they bring the dumb legislation, it will be struck down when challanged by the ADL.
Southern James
“(Non-Israeli) Jews are for the most part, easy targets. They appear conditioned (perhaps by tens of centuries of periodic pograms and persecution, in whatever lands they have settled?) to not fight back, keep their heads low, and not make trouble until the latest round of persecution passes over.”
Technically this statement is also racist and antisemitic – unwittingly, I am sure. It spreads the old, false stereotype. It assigns a negative characteristic of passivity to millions of people based on their ethnicity alone.
It has such momentum now that at the memorial day bbq, a friend of a friend decided to press my buttons and basically take up the socialists ideal… ie. deny the holocaust, of which that war of socialists almost eradicated my family… pish tosh that the numbers are an exageration… take up parallel positions with I’madinnerjacket…
Shoa II been going on for over 40 years…
The slower the turn the harder the reverse…
the german people were tricked with zeal and their trust betrayed, the game would last as long as the crafted reality was supported and affirmed and the zeal for the gears kept on.
what was invented after and taken up was the idea first to normalize the same things, rather than take advantage of a transient move, make the transient move permanent using ‘innocents clubs’ as in other places.
its very hard to wake people up to impossible once the foudnational premises have been normalized.
you try to shake people of the ‘validity’ of disparate impact as a proxy argument for oppression defining the group designated to be the scape goats, till one now can even make laws that penalize them!!!!!
oh.. and the fun part many dont get is that hour health care law with its ration formula WILL favor the volk over the oppressors as does many other agencies. ie, the volk will deserve more, than the others who will have care restricted.
this is almost EXACTLY in outcome the same as Aktion T4
Action T4 (German: Aktion T4) was the name used after World War II for the Euthanasia Program in Nazi Germany officially spanning September 1939 until August 1941 but continued unofficially until the demise of the Nazi regime in 1945 and even beyond, during which physicians killed thousands of people specified in Adolf Hitler’s secret memo of September 1, 1939, as suffering patients “judged incurably sick, by critical medical examination”
of course this mostly affected the poor who were not designated volk… removing their contribution (of genetic intelligence) to the lower masses… which is why the left denies intelligence has any ties to genetics, and even claim arbitrary equality (though no where else in the universe does it exist), and that its a blank equal slate…
if you have no perception of it, no relaization of it, no value for it, your not going to protect it.
if women believe that maxim, then indiscriminate mating and accidents are just as good as selective mating. late mating is ok, but downs syndrom tends to end a family line just as much as waiting too long.
and who gets to wait to long, the edumacated in studies courses, who are MUCH less likely to have children.
it dont take a genius to see its a mass demographic breeding program PROmoting REGRESSIVE policies for the underclass
describing them as progressive policies leading them into the future with everyone else and not off the end of a conveyor belt like a tiny yellow male chick in a famous movie
the males are being written off large and the males are the defenders of the women selected genetic lines as women WERE the reserve of intelligence in the population…
feminism whole structure, as well as the racial groups etcetera… all are innocents clubs, well known as such by those in the know, denied by those supporting it, believing they helped them, etc…
a bit of dialectics and the origins of these movements showing their real colors gets scrubbed… to the point that like hillbillies and a feud, the original arguments and points are forgotten in favor of an endless never ending series.
mabye listen to erin pizzy?
Erin Pizzey, founder, Chiswick Women’s Refuge, 1971
[the worlds first… ]
but i guess to do that you have to read her words at a site that is not PC
THE PLANNED DESTRUCTION OF THE FAMILY
by ERIN PIZZEY
fathersforlife.org/pizzey/destrctn.htm
three things to notice when you read…
that its an innocents club, the people running it dont tell the lower peopel what they are doing, and pizzy shows that that is the case…
two, its communist from day one… period, no infiltration, it was created for the cause
three that those with special EXPERIENCE, like pizzy being the child of a diplomat, others being refugees, others having experienced and immigrated…
were not fooled the way the inexperienced were, and were often attacked by the inexperienced!!!! (pizzy had to flee england so as not to be killed)
that hatred now is being directed… its being used to make disparate impact a tool of social justice against the oppressors… who will be puni8shed. they will get less medical care, unlike the volk.
using innocents…
this talk today of antisemitism would have no place UNLESS these leaders of innocents clubs were opposed and negated rather than celebrated and followed.
who are at the front of the “diversity programs” which have institutionalized laws against the opppressor classes
as dertermined by nazi style disparate impact. i printed it here in german once.. (it was deleted)
but like the anti semitic drawings of jews with big noses and that.
is also the propaganda of how the jews made up 14% of the population but controlled all the businesses and therefore to make things more equal for the volk, the laws to adjist societies outcomes were made and put in place.
you know, like social justice 8A program at SBA
or the NIH diversity program giving bonus money to hire volk over the oppressors
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I’m all for a ban on forced mutilation (whether genital or not) of any human beings, and especially children.
And yes, circumcission IS mutilation, whichever way you try to twist it you’re “modifying” the human body for some esthetic reason (not talking about medical emergencies here).
If I were to start a religion that demands the ears of 5 day old infants be cut off because God demands it that way, everyone would be up in arms about it, and rightly so. But because Muslims want to mutilate little boys people want to preserve this barbaric practice (yes, Jews do it too, but I’m surprised people want this banned because it’s a Muslim practice and nothing can ever be done tha they don’t like).
We however ban genital mutilation in girls, so why not boys as well? Or are boys somehow not worth protecting?
There’s no medical benefit, that’s a hoax that was discredited decades ago (barring emergencies), it’s purely cosmetic and religious mutilation of little children who have no say in the matter.
JTW “And yes, circumcission IS mutilation”.
That’s bullshit. Circumcision does not injure or degrade any function, if carried out properly.
Comparison to FGM – another stupid, false parallel, albeit from a different perspective.
Some of God’s laws are inscrutable and those who obey these laws receive something more from God than those who obey just the ones they agree with.
Truly rational people will admit that no harm comes from circumcision. The Jews have done it for thousands of years and what harm has come to them. I suppose after three thousand years something would have shown up, like, say, a complete misrepresentation of receiving Nobel prizes. How dare those Jews take all the prizes?
Yep, that circumcision really is bad stuff!
Hey, here’s an idea. Let’s not only outlaw circumcision. Let’s outlaw the Jews. Heck with the intermediate steps. All Jews report to Camp Destruction for immediate “processing.”
Wow, lots of heat and light here.
The posters are the stuff of nightmares. Regardless of the back story, they are repugnant and evil.
Learning a lot as usual. Who knew what is a mohel? Now I know – I think.
Is circumcision mutilation? Kinda like is enhanced interrogation torture? A lot of it is in the eye of the beholder.
Well, I have no wisdom to add, just enjoying the debate.
1. In today’s America, the most effective tactics for spreading hate in the middle class exploit plausible deniability.
2. According to the field manual, vile speech should not be countered by banning, but by good speech. You’re a good soldier, Neo.
JTW, I guess I’d like to go into your home and stop you from any practice I consider abusive to your children “who have no say in the matter.”
Funny that all of the controversial matters it is one that concerns the Jews which must be stopped.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/267401/yes-jews-are-chosen-people-dennis-prager
Does it follow that social services in San Francisco should remove circumcised minors from their obviously abusive parents? Or maybe there is an opportunity for a class action suit against San Francisco hospitals for mutilating infants for generations? I don’t think so, either.
The is Humpty-Dumptyism and sexual hysteria run amok.
Oh, and the Monster Mohel propaganda is vile. I wonder what its authors intended. They must be aiming at something, but I can’t figure out what it is.
Remarkable, this is intriguing to see. Have you ever regarded distributing posts for you to magazines?
shlemazl “I do find your comparison with Nazis stupid and counterproductive.”
You are beyond stupid for not seeing that the poster is exactly in the style of Nazi anti-Jew propaganda art.
Are you really a Jew? Or are you a Jew-hater pretending to be a Jew? This blog has been visited by its share of trolls.
It’s Streicher, not Stiecher.
…the number of commenters supporting the foreskin ban who state they’re Jewish.
What’s surprising about that? I’d put that more in the expected category, especially in San Francisco. I’d bet many actually *are* Jewish, at least by heritage.
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