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  1. Leonardo da Vinci was said to be a gifted musician as well as a painter, sculptor, mathematician, and scientist. (there is a 1982 book by Emanuel Winternitz, Leonardo Da Vinci As a Musician).

  2. Jerry Garcia was a talented painter as well as being a master guitarist.

  3. havent you heard? talent is a patriarchal bourgegie concept to justify oppressing people… we now know that there is no such thing as talent as we are all equal, and any success one has above others is a result of the oppression of others.

    under this, the Gershwins would be in trouble for disparate impact…

    wait.. didnt they flee Europe for simiolar arguments and hatreds? they left just before the glorious revolution of the (correct) people….

    Gershwin was named Jacob Gershowitz at birth in Brooklyn, New York on September 26, 1898. His parents were Russian Jews. His father, Morris (Moishe) Gershowitz, changed his family name to ‘Gershvin’ some time after immigrating to the United States from St. Petersburg, Russia in the early 1890s. Gershwin’s mother Rosa Bruskin had already immigrated from Russia. She met Gershowitz in New York and they married on July 21, 1895.[2] (George changed the spelling of the family name to ‘Gershwin’ after he became a professional musician; other members of his family followed suit.)

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Russia

    Rebellions beginning with the Decembrist Revolt of 1825, followed by the struggle of Russia’s intelligentsia, and the rise of nihilism, liberalism, socialism, syndicalism, and finally Marxism threatened the old tsarist order.

    Prior to 1827 Jews did not serve in the Russian army, but they were subject to double taxation in lieu of military service. In 1827 Nicholas I decreed new recruitment regulations, extended to Jews. About 70,000 Jews were conscripted between 1827 and 1854, a large percentage of them underage (see Cantonists).
    Ida Rubinstein was born in Saint Petersburg.

    The cultural and habitual isolation of the Jews gradually began to be eroded. An ever-increasing number of Jews adopted Russian language and customs. Russian education was spread among the Jews. A number of Jewish-Russian periodicals appeared.

    Alexander II was known as the “Tsar liberator” for the 1861 abolition of serfdom in Russia. Under his rule Jews could not hire Christian servants, could not own land, and were restricted in travel

    hey… under SBA 8a the same thing but not directly exists… as does other SOCIAL JUSTICE STUFF

    hey! and wasnt the group the decemberists the one that opened for obama playing the “internationale”

    A large-scale wave of anti-Jewish pogroms swept Ukraine in 1881, after Jews were wrongly blamed for the assassination of Alexander II. In the 1881 outbreak, there were pogroms in 166 Ukrainian towns, thousands of Jewish homes were destroyed, many families reduced to extremes of poverty

    large numbers of men, women, and children were injured and some killed. Disorders in the south once again recalled the government attention to the Jewish question. A conference was convened at the Ministry of Interior and on May 15, 1882, so-called Temporary Regulations were introduced that stayed in effect for more than thirty years and came to be known as the May Laws.

    The repressive legislation was repeatedly revised. Many historians noted the concurrence of these state-enforced antisemitic policies with waves of pogroms[8] that continued until 1884, with at least tacit government knowledge and in some cases policemen were seen inciting or joining the mob.

    ever hear the term “beyond the pale”

    The systematic policy of discrimination banned Jews from rural areas and towns of fewer than ten thousand people, even within the Pale, assuring the slow death of many shtetls. In 1887, the quotas placed on the number of Jews allowed into secondary and higher education were tightened down to 10% within the Pale, 5% outside the Pale, except Moscow and Saint Petersburg, held at 3%.

    It was possible to evade this restrictions upon secondary education by combining private tuition with examination as an “outside student”.

    Accordingly, within the Pale such outside pupils were almost entirely young Jews. The restrictions placed on education, traditionally highly valued in Jewish communities, resulted in ambition to excel over the peers and increased emigration rates. Special quotas restricted Jews from entering profession of law, limiting number of Jews admitted to the bar.

    ah when more intelligent jews were targeted the poor ones were disenfranchised and preventd from education.

    hey! look at the halls of academia now.. even in the “jewish hospital” there is a negation of attendees!!!

    the halls are full of foreigners, and women.. and the children of wealthy jewish families who could pay

    the poor european males including the jews were disenfranchised for feminism… but it ends up making the same anti education outcomes for jewish and others who perform with TALENT

    gershwins left russia…

    why?

    they wanted self determination

    today we have social engineering a la russia, and that has made many of the same rules, and things but by different means. and since our public is ABYSMAL at history..

    US students are less proficient in their nation’s history than in any other subject, according to results of a nationwide test released yesterday, with most fourth-graders unable to say why Abraham Lincoln was an important figure, and few high school seniors able to identify China as the North Korean ally that fought US troops in the Korean War.

    “History is very much being shortchanged,’’ said Linda K. Salvucci, a history professor in San Antonio who is chairwoman-elect of the National Council for History Education.

    Many teacher-education programs, she said, also contribute to the problem by encouraging aspiring teachers to seek certification in social studies rather than in history.

    ah… if social studies is history, how can that be?

    . After the first years of large emigration from Russia, positive feedback from the former Jews in the U.S. accounts itself for why so many Russian Jews expatriated to the U.S. Indeed more than two million of them fled Russia between 1880 and 1920. While a vast majority emigrated to the United States, some turned to Zionism. In 1882, members of Bilu and Hovevei Zion made what came to be known the First Aliyah to Israel, then a part of the Ottoman Empire.

    i figure when war comes… that will be it..
    since women now fight, there wont be a genetic reserve held back from the effects…

    well…

    now i want to leave the US..

    why?

    same reason so many fled russia, germany, china, etc.

    the freedom to define yourself and make your own future has been denied me over and over. and now its time to give up and get out.

    sba 8a, 20 appointee orgs in state for womens health and womnens issues and so on… social justice… class hatred on poor white men (which includes poor jewish males), and social enginering. presidential signing statements..

    want to know why academia and soviet union and commnunism are things that behave the same limited only by the power they have at the time?

    because both are academically design bureaucracies of administration…

    The Tsarist government sporadically encouraged Jewish emigration. In 1890, it approved the establishment of “The Society for the Support of Jewish Farmers and Artisans in Syria and Palestine[11]” (known as the “Odessa Committee” headed by Leon Pinsker) dedicated to practical aspects in establishing agricultural Jewish settlements in Palestine.

    so the whole isreal palestine thing has more to do with what country (Again)?

    The pogroms of 1881-1884 and the May Laws of 1882 gave impetus to political activism among Russian Jews and mass emigration. More than two million Jews fled Russia between 1881 and 1920, the vast majority emigrating to the United States. The Tsarist government sporadically encouraged Jewish emigration. In 1882, members of Bilu and Hovevei Zion made what came to be known the First Aliyah to Eretz Israel, then a part of the Ottoman Syria. Initially, these organizations were not official, and in order to attain a legally recognized framework, a Jewish organization had to be registered as a charity in various European countries and the United States that provided most of the funding. After arduous negotiations, the Russian government approved the establishment of the “Society for the Support of Jewish Farmers and Artisans in Syria and Palestine” early in 1890. It was based in Odessa (now in Ukraine), headed by Leon Pinsker, and dedicated to practical aspects of establishing Jewish agricultural settlements in the Palestine.

    everything is always connected…

  4. I have a theory that these sorts of talents reside in all of us. The trick being to unlearn they aren’t there in a lifespan.

  5. the first half wont post..
    lets see if the second half will

    note:
    Savant skills, while not universally present in Asperger’s persons, are very common, and generally include prodigious memory. When they do occur, in my experience, those special abilities in Asperger’s tend to involve numbers, mathematics, mechanical and spatial skills. Many are drawn to science, inventions, complex machines and particularly, now, computers. Some such skills lead to PhD’s in mathematics or other sciences and a goodly number of Asperger persons are gainfully, and highly successfully, employed in computer or related industries because of the natural affinity of Asperger persons to organization, numbers and codes.

    but aint no way i can convince those without it that i have something.. been that way all my life…

    personally… i give up..
    i am hoping for sometning to remove me
    there is little hope.. i am tired of being constantly hurt by others and such..

    the Movie ADAM…
    Adam – trailer (2009) (HD) (HQ)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnoNQa_qUm4

    my life is much like adams…
    i get attacked as if i have all opportunity, and get great rewards and so on… but i have none of that, as i have no connection. i am completely outside.

    want to know why i know so much… what would you do with your time if people were naturally mean to you?

    its an incredible insightful movie

    i now am in trouble and not allowed to get promotions or raises… in trouble for helping with science studies on my own time using OTHER skills than my job.

    i want it all to be over..
    i belong no where..
    even here, my posts are too long
    so i cant be helpful…
    just attacked for not being the same…

    Asperger’s and Self-Esteem
    By Norm Ledgin, Temple Grandin
    By the time he was seventeen, when Gershwin’s “Rhapsody” made its debut, … prompts me to match him with six of the DSM-IV criteria for Asperger’s. …

    the gershwins were thought to have aspergers qualities…

    Most of the people on the following list are speculated to have Asperger’s Syndrome, rather than being confirmed cases of Asperger’s Syndrome.

    * Jane Austen, 1775-1817, English novelist, author of Pride and Prejudice
    * Béla Barté³k, 1881-1945, Hungarian composer
    * Bobby Fischer, 1943-2008, World Chess Champion
    * Michelangelo, 1475 1564 – Italian Renissance artist
    * Erik Satie, 1866-1925 – Composer
    * Ludwig van Beethoven, 1770-1827, German/Viennese composer
    * Alexander Graham Bell, 1847-1922, Scottish/Canadian/American inventor of the telephone
    * Anton Bruckner , 1824-1896, Austrian composer
    * Henry Cavendish, 1731-1810, English/French scientist, discovered the composition of air and water
    * Emily Dickinson, 1830-1886, US poet
    * Thomas Edison, 1847-1931, US inventor
    * Albert Einstein, 1879-1955, German/American theoretical physicist
    * Seth Engstrom, 1987-Present, Magician and World Champion
    * Henry Ford, 1863-1947, US industrialist
    * Benjamin Franklin,1706-1790, US polictician/writer
    * Kaspar Hauser, c1812-1833, German foundling, portrayed in a film by Werner Herzog
    * Oliver Heaviside, 1850-1925, English physicist
    * Thomas Jefferson, 1743-1826, US politician
    * Carl Jung, 1875-1961, Swiss psychoanalyst
    * Franz Kafka, 1883-1924, Czech writer
    * Wasily Kandinsky, 1866-1944, Russian/French painter
    [edited for length by n-n]

  6. Interesting about the multiple talents. My Mother was one of those types. She was an accredited mathematical genius, who at one time in her life, played violin in the symphony orchestra, won writing awards going back to elementary school and all through her career, and after retirement she took up oil painting and started winning all the blue ribbons at the local art fairs. She always said that music was nothing but excited math.

    One thing that I discovered after she had her stroke and lost most of her eyesight and developed a pretty severe case of language aphasia, was that if I asked her to sing her question, she could do it with no problem, to speak it brought out the aphasia.

    When I was growing up, she would speak of music as if it were a math chart, explaining different sections, of say a symphony, in math terms, loving the more complicated constructions of some of her favorites. She mostly listened to classical music, but later admitted her first love was always ragtime, with its syncopated beats.

    Her art tastes ran to the more modern or impressionistic, yet when she began to paint, she went a much more traditional way, concentrating on landscapes and still lifes. I mentioned this to her one day and she pointed out that she was really concentrating on reflections, off glass, metal, water, etc. I now have several of her paintings on my walls and I see the progression of her talent in capturing those reflections. I can also see the math in her paintings, especially in her use of perspective.

  7. Artfldgr,

    I’m on summer vacation, but come late August I’ll be back at elementary school working with kids from a broad range of ‘special needs’. I’ve worked with kids that are classified as Asperger syndrome. I spent a year one on one, 6.5 hours a day, 182 days a school year, with such a kid (5th grade). Last school year I spent 3 hours/day with an Asperger kid (4th grade). In total during the last 6 years I’ve worked with 13 kids fall to varying degrees under that spectrum. So I feel reasonably certain I have some understanding of these kids.

    My experience has lead me to this conclusion: know one Asperger kid and you’e known one Asperger kid. They are unique individuals. It is true that many of them have incredible memories, it is true that they tend to have incredible math skills. However, of the kids I have worked with 4 have amazing artistic talents. They are no less individuals that you or I. (I suspect you already know this is true.)

    What they all share in common is a handicap when it comes to understanding social interactions. I will not write a multi-paragraph lecture about what I do to help them learn those skills (or fake those skills in order not to stand out). Bottom line, these kids are amazing and deserve full support in the early years to help them learn how to function in society.

  8. Well, from your list, Art, and from Parker’s comment, it seems like people with Asperger’s have had an outsized contribution to the advancement and betterment of humanity.

    I don’t know whether I’ve ever met an Asperger person, but it’s probably likely that I have, without realizing it.

    It’s a depressing commentary on the human condition that mediocre people will target exceptional people with resentment and try to bring them down to their level. But it’s the truth, and examples abound. That’s the entire attraction for socialism, in my opinion. That may be the single biggest problem that we have today in America: that the mediocre people are now firmly in control of the levers of power, and by gum, they intend to punish anyone who sticks his head up above the rest of the herd.

    Art, I’ve never complained about the length of your comments. Sometimes I read them and sometimes I scroll past, depending on my mood and how much time I have at the moment. That’s what the “scroll down” button is for. But mere text doesn’t waste much bandwidth. You don’t hear me griping about it, for what it’s worth.

    Parker, I’m glad you realize how important those kids are. It must be exciting (and challenging, and frustrating) to work with them.

  9. Rickl,

    It is exciting, challenging, and yes, sometimes frustrating. When I first offered to volunteer in the school district I had no idea I would quickly end up working in the special needs program, but midway through the first year I realized I am fortunate that this experience came my way. When one of those kids spontaneously hugs you after weeks or months of trying to earn their trust you feel like you have received the greatest reward another human being can bestow upon you.

  10. My mother wrote poetry, and my father was an accomplished jazz musician and painter. Both were institutionalized at different points in their lives. Another great composer who wasn’t a composer at first was Borodin. He started out as a chemist, if I’m not mistaken. Tony Bennett is also a painter as well as a singer.

  11. “”That may be the single biggest problem that we have today in America: that the mediocre people are now firmly in control of the levers of power, and by gum, they intend to punish anyone who sticks his head up above the rest of the herd.””
    RickL

    Isn’t this what unions have become? Salaries based on time served, with individuals breaking away from the herd shunned as a concept…A focus primarily on themselves being entitled to a secure job with customer satisfaction or company health way down on the list of concerns…

  12. Under a pseudonym Churchill entered his paintings in a French art show/competition in the 20s or 30s and they were favorably received.

    Len Deighton was an art student but went on to write fine spy thrillers about the Cold War that reached back into the Germany of the early 40s.

  13. I would agree with Neo that Nat King Cole’s dual skills of pianist and vocalist are not in the same realm as Gershwin the composer, pianist, and painter. Not to mention Churchill the author,statesman, and landscape painter.

    Sarah Vaughan was known as a singer, but she also was a good pianist. She began music as a piano student, not as a vocalist.

    Louis Armstrong was also accomplished as both a jazz vocalist and trumpeter. It could be said that he set the standards for both jazz vocals and trumpet.

    What a shame that Gershwin died so young. While his relatively early death deprived us of more masterpieces, we still have his prolific output for his relatively short life. Had Gershwin lived longer, I wonder if he would have suffered the same loss of popularity as did the Standard Songwriters with the advent of rock and roll. Probably so, but Gershwin, Berlin, Hart, and Carmichael songs are still widely performed and appreciated.

  14. Thanks, Neo. This is another example of why this is one of the few sites I visit with regularity.

    I would contend that your love for politics and artistic expression in its many forms, and the ability to write eloquently about them makes you multiply talented. Maybe this entry was, in essence, a well crafted way of exploring why you are the way you are.

  15. Rob De Witt: I’ve got a much better one–-Hedy Lamarr!

    Hedy Lamarr was an Austrian-American actress known primarily for her extraordinary beauty and her celebrity in a film career as a major contract star of MGM’s “Golden Age”.

    However, Lamarr was also an inventor and mathematician who co-invented — with composer George Antheil — an early technique for spread spectrum communications and frequency hopping, necessary to wireless communication from the pre-computer age to the present day.

  16. Neo,

    You’re right, I forgot about Hedy Lamarr. Pretty amazing stuff, all right.

  17. What about the very odd combo skill for arguably one the best vocalist who ever lived…. Karen Carpenter as an accomplished drummer. It was in fact what she considered her foremost talent.

  18. Maybe Asperger’s Syndrome is a feature, not a bug of intelligence. Intelligence is a hungry beast that must be satisfied: too many stop at the easy, at the mediocre; they do not ask questions or seek the next valley or mountain within their discipline. Too many artists find their first voice and stay at that level: I once read an article in the American Scholar (no, I am not Phi Beta Kappa – whatever – I found the journal in a used bookstore) that declared it was difficult to convince intelligent people not to repeat themselves.

    The mediocre are afraid of the intelligent – yet I don’t claim to be a genius; just interested in the next question.

    I am not being sarcastic

  19. I’m moderately intelligent. My IQ is somewhat above the norm but nothing spectacular.

    But I don’t resent or begrudge geniuses. That seems to be an increasingly rare trait nowadays.

  20. Victor Hugo, too, was a painter as well as a writer. He had quite a reputation as an artist – it may be that he would be remembered for his art even if he had not written a word. I’ve only seen a few of his watercolors myself, but I see that one can buy reproductions of his oils even now.

  21. Nietzsche always sounded more like a bi-polar, to me, rather than Asperger’s. Asperger people may be labeled A—ho-es, but they are mostly pretty rational.

    Washington, now there’s an interesting question. He wrote for himself a little book of manners and relating. That could have been, maybe, a rational attempt to overcome his natural inability to relate to people. I remain a bit skeptical on that one, however.

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