Geert Wilders not guilty: free speech wins in the Netherlands
The trial of Dutch politician Geert Wilders for inciting hatred against Muslims may have passed under the radar screen here for the most part. But it’s important, as is his acquittal, which indicates that at least a modicum of free speech is alive and well in the Netherlands.
Europe and even Canada have very different ideas about the scope of free speech than we do in this country ( I’ve had a bit of experience in the arena of French libel laws, for example; see this). Our laws are a great deal more liberal, in the sense of allowing liberty. It’s still somewhat difficult to imagine a trial such as Wilders’s occurring in this country, although it’s getting easier every day:
In a mere 20 minutes, judges dismissed all charges of inciting hatred and discrimination against Muslims.
Judges called some of Mr Wilders’s comments “crude and denigrating”, but not illegal.
Although they found his warning of a “tsunami” of immigrants to be on the border of what is permissible, they said he had stayed within the bounds of the law, especially because his remarks were made during the country’s heated political debates on multi-culturalism.
Calling the wave of immigrants a “tsunami” is now on the border of impermissible hate speech? That seems chilling.
Wilders himself points out:
“I believe we have been too tolerant of the intolerant,” he told the BBC.
“We should learn to become intolerant of the intolerant.”
Reminds me of the well-known Jewish commentary, “Whoever is kind to the cruel will end up being cruel to the kind.” The problem is how to define “cruel” and “intolerant”—some, of course, would see Wilders himself as both. I’m not familiar with all his statements about Islam, but I am strongly in favor of allowing him (or anyone) to make them. Not am I in favor of anti-hate-speech laws—but if a country such as The Netherlands decides to pass and then enforce them, I would imagine that certain Islamic jihadists would be prime candidates for prosecution.
Thank God, from whom our rights and liberties flow!
Great news!
Somewhat related, I saw the documentary “It’s Hard Being Loved by Jerks” on Sundance yesterday, and it’s about a french weekly being sued for publishing the Mohammed cartoons. If you have the opportunity, see this movie! It gives you hope that the West will not surrender.
http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117937168?refcatid=31
In this context Angela Davis once said, in response to a query re free speech, “Of course we Reds (I’ve forgotten what euphemism she actually used, but that’s what she meant) absolutely support free speech. You’re free to speak the truth. You’re just not free to tell lies.”
Oh.
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I’m not familiar with all his statements about Islam, but I am strongly in favor of allowing him (or anyone) to make them.
I am quite familiar with the things he has said, and what Fjordman writes too…
and how the state there, like our recent change here, consideres telling the public a description of a criminal, is inciting hatred if its a protected group.
go ahead.. take out a pen, and when you read articles, note when if at all they give a description IF the assailant is in a certain class.
what you read is be on teh look out for a man..
and thats about it.
fjordman got in trouble for reporting on the several hundred percent increase in gang rapes for white girls not wearing the veil, and now how malmo is a enclave and dangerous.
the UK has taken to referring to pakistani doing bad as “Asians”… knowing full well that when they say that, no one will think pakistani but chinese, or japanese or korean (or smaller places there).
geet wilders is mostly in trouble for pointing out differences.. and the liberals who like islam for race hate, control, and multiple marraiges (if the feminists remove men to 10%, multiple marriages to the elite for lebensborn is a given)
so, when he points out that the koran or some practice is a key part of islam, the want to cry foul
– robert spencer
The figures on Muslim rape of Western women in Europe are astounding. In Denmark and Norway, between 65% and 70% of all rapes are committed by Muslims, who as yet still less than 5% of the population. One local judge in Norway actually exonerated one rapist by accepting his defense that the victim’s dress was taken by him to mean that she was egging him on. Her dress was nothing special to Norwegians, but the judge found it to be unbearably provocative to this poor Muslim immigrant. A curious argument, is it not? Even if she had been dressed a la Gisele Bundchen doing a shoot for Victoria’s Secret — and she of course was not — rape is not an acceptable response. Vice Director of Jihad Watch, Hugh Fitzgerald
so i guess disparate impact in rape is ok
but disparate impact in business is the sign of white/jewish oppression
dont believe thats why he was taken into court for opposing the councils (soviets) leaders?
“It is not acceptable for people to completely cover themselves on the street. It threatens public order and security. Plus it is a terrifying sight and only increases the cleft between natives and foreigners.
Get rid of that woman-humiliating Islamic symbol.” Geert Wilders.
Islam is not a religion, it’s an ideology, the ideology of a retarded culture. I have a problem with Islamic tradition, culture, ideology. Not with Muslim people. Geert Wilders.
A tolerant society is not a suicidal society… Openness can never be open-ended. Geert Wilders.
My allies are not [France’s Jean-Mari] Le Pen or [Austria’s Jorg] Haider. We’ll never join up with the fascists and Mussolinis of Italy. I’m very afraid of being linked with the wrong rightist fascist groups. Geert Wilders.
2005
and feminists..
they are siding with the invaders who will kill their oppressor husbands…
ie.. they respect terrorists and violence
not wimpy men who dont put them in their place!
notice how, the men that loved them, they found easy to abuse and so disenfranchise and kick em out.. cause love is so wishy washy.. eh
and notice how the state treats them… barefoot and in babies as single mothers… pole dancing harem girls free for the asking (self supporting too).. and of course… sellign them into the great liberation of the burka and so forth. why? it negates mans stares (shall i point out the college who made such casual glances campus law?)
so, they wear the kafir…
they side with them against the jewish state
really.. if it wasnt for the jewish people and christianity… they would be harem girls.. or slaves.. as the only other systems of such living that dominates is the harem mulimarraiging, stoning to death, body parts removing caliphate.
what will they do when the men whom they kicked out and who are now converting from the religion that allowed capitalism, and womens freedoms, and so on and so forth… to islam..
seems to me that after promising utopia to the public, telling each other they are making communist slavery, then finally, selling out their constituency to people who really do think rule of thumb is the thickness of the branch (a untruth they keep progagandizing)…
ie.. their christian adn jewish men lay down to make them happy… their Islamic men will beat them down to be happy, and stop the nonsense as they see it.
and the men here, they have the promise that if they switch, the society they enter will give them the power and support too.
اخرس وامرأة تجعلني شطيرة
will be understood..
just look up Islamic feminism
example..
so just as all men are rapists is their truth
what does above say they are tellign their women
hey! just in time for the christian men to convert and then what?
“All the other large and small nationalities and peoples are destined to perish before long in the revolutionary world storm… these residual fragments of peoples always become fanatical standard-bearers of counter-revolution and remain so until their complete extirpation or loss of their national character…
[A general war will] wipe out all these petty hidebound nations, down to their very names.
The next world war will result in the disappearance from the face of the earth not only of reactionary classes and dynasties, but also of entire reactionary peoples. And that, too, is a step forward.” — Friedrich Engels, “The Magyar Struggle,” Neue Rhenische Zeitung, January 13, 1849
helped by the demographic genocide almost complete given event horizons
Census shows whites lose US majority among babies
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/06/22/national/w210215D98.DTL
fancy that.. they exterminated most of the jews through abortion, and making their conciousness raise so they abort or dont have kids.. orselect other mates…
since others yelled at me this wasnt possible.
what now, that its happened?
“much of the race change is being driven by increases in younger Hispanic women having more children than do white women, who have lower birth rates and as a group are moving beyond their prime childbearing years. ”
By contrast, whites make up the vast majority of older Americans – 80 percent of seniors 65 and older and roughly 73 percent of people ages 45-64.
so…
they did exterminate them
and now that minority that is a majority will vote in lots of perks to take from the majority who is a minority.
kind of like germany eh?
same OUTCOME
different MEANS
funny how if you change the means, everyone denies the outcome.
so… smarties..
how do you get a population slated for extinction who cant mate enough to replace themselves.
end up on a genocidal social engineered heap?
[should i point out that what remains is also not the women who went to college, but the ones on welfare with 4 kids from 3 dads, and so on… ]
Preliminary census estimates also show the share of African-American households headed by women – made up of mostly single mothers – now exceeds African-American households with married couples, a sign of declining U.S. marriages overall but also continuing challenges for black youths without involved fathers.
so i guess the papers that academics wrote i nthat destroying the family can be done by welfare.
hey, what group is now getting on welfare more?
“In order to raise children with equality, we must take them away from families and communally raise them” — Dr. Mary Jo Bane, feminist and assistant professor of education at Welleslry College and associate director of the school’s Center for Research on Woman
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“No woman should be authorized to stay at home and raise her children. Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one.” — Interview with Simone de Beauvoir, “Sex, Society, and the Female Dilemma,” Saturday Review, June 14, 1975, p.18
“It became increasingly clear to us that the institution of marriage `protects’ women in the same way that the institution of slavery was said to `protect’ blacks–that is, that the word `protection’ in this case is simply a euphemism for oppression,” — Sheila Cronan, “Marriage,” in Koedt, Levine, and Rapone, eds., Radical Feminism, p. 214.
“Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the Women’s Movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage.” — Sheila Cronan, “Marriage,” in Koedt, Levine, and Rapone, eds., Radical Feminism, p. 219.
“If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males.” — Mary Daly, former Professor at Boston College, 2001
and the men left will be the makers of lebensborn who will repopulate.. no?
personally i see women turned into cattle by waht they are saying… but women tell me its utopia.
how demographic genocide leads to liberation and utopia is beyond me. but hey, they want it, they get it, right? cant say no.. can you?
“For one of the implicit, if unadmitted, tenets of feminism has been a fundamental disrespect for men.” — Wendy Dennis
and to bring the whole post full circle and make clear why i diverted…
islam rapes as a part of cultural war
femniists are siding with islam
but wasnt it dworkin that said
“Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice. Rape, originally defined as abduction, became marriage by capture. Marriage meant the taking was to extend in time, to be not only use of but possession of, or ownership.” — Andrea Dworkin
which is why the men here should be hated…
that way back when, perhaps unrelated men, did these things..
and islam should be supported.. because right now they do the things that the ffemniist teach women to hate the others for
yup… smartest group usuring in utopia, through infertility and death.
“Families make possible the super-exploitation of women by training them to look upon their work outside the home as peripheral to their ‘true’ role.” — Andrea Dworkin
“The institution of sexual intercourse is anti-feminist” — Ti-Grace Atkinson “Amazon Odyssey” (p. 86)
“The first condition of the liberation of the wife is to bring the whole female sex back into public industry, and this in turn demands the abolition of the monogamous family as the economic unit of society.” [Engels, p.67]
guess work cows dont have babies.
It is truly a good day for freedom of speech!
Jesus will smite all of these Muslims…. One day!
You watch.
-Pat
I like the verdict. I hate how it came about.
“Calling the wave of immigrants a “tsunami” is now on the border of impermissible hate speech? That seems chilling.”
Indeed. This was not a statement of freedom of speech. It was the judges’ way of ensuring that they were not seen to turn Wilders into a martyr, while quietly reinforcing the idea that they can determine what is and it not acceptable.
Occam’s Beard quoting Angel Davis:
You’re free to speak the truth. You’re just not free to tell lies.”
Ironic statement from a Commie, considering all the lies Commies have propagated to further their cause. But as the Ministry of Truth determines what is truth, all is explained.
I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that if someone were to make a public statement that the Pope is the antichrist (or worse), that’s not a problem in the Netherlands.
Here is another reason why we should start the day by getting down on our knees and thanking g-d and the founding fathers for the Bill of Rights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n3SdV2cwn4
It shows what is going on in CANADA!
I am not so sure rejoicing is the proper response. Wilders was found not guilty–after a long and expensive defense. The next public figure who wants to make similar points will not help but at least consider if the game is worth the candle.
This does dhimmitude progress slowly but progress it does. I don’t think the Dutch would have any trouble finding Muslims who make hateful statements about Jews, but I’m not holding my breath until one of them is indicted.
The Euros are doing it to themselves all over again. It may be a sex-linked genetic disease–on the X chromosome. All those wars, all those lost Y chromos. It’s been a good while since I was last in Europe, and I’m never going back. But it’s in our gene pool now too.
Artfldgr- I don’t know how you do it. We may have to nickname your fingers ‘Fast and Furious’! No, it’ll have to be something else. You have an incredible trove of references, too.
I agree with Alex Bensky. It was an absolute travesty that he was brought to trial in the first place.
“The next public figure who wants to make similar points will not help but at least consider if the game is worth the candle.”
Death by a thousand cuts.
As Neo noted, they have a different take on freedom of expression in EU land. Same goes for Canada & Australia. However, as Occam notes, the left is all for their freedom of speech and all for denying it to those who oppose them. We have ‘hate speech’ fully enforced on our own college campuses. We have ‘hate crime’ laws. We’re not so far from the Netherlands after all.
Here’s a case where Continental Civic law worked but having your fate in the hands of Judges not a jury is tough.
Anglo Saxon Common law still provides more protection against this kind of prosecution.
“”Although they found his warning of a “tsunami” of immigrants to be on the border of what is permissible””
Do we have to hold out hope for the possibility that the word tsunami may be generally taboo since the dutch live below sea level? 🙂
The cancer is alive and growing over here as well. Recently, we saw the mayor of Dearborn MI peddle the notion that there were “free speech zones”. To my knowledge, he wasn’t strung up on the spot for this attempt to pickpocket us of the 1st Amendment.
If these kangaroo courts such as preside in Europe are in our future, then we must make sure the judges fear us more than they do their noisy and volatile proteges.
Geert Wilders and I have a lot in common in how we view Islam. While, as Churchill said over 100 years ago, individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, the religion itself is a strongly retrograde force that inhibits any sort of personal or societal growth. In other words, the problem with Muslims is Islam.
I am particularly disgusted by enablers in the West who refuse to call Muslims on their primitive, criminal behavior. In a just world, the Norwegian judge who acquitted the Muslim of rape because the victim’s attire “provoked” him would be repeatedly prison-raped by Muslims until he understood it was the rapist’s fault, not the victim’s. Without such enablers, we could easily manage any danger emanating from the Muslim world. But with them, we have to fight a two-front war, as it were, with a corresponding increase in peril.
Art, just FYI. The Brits have referred to anyone from the Indian Subcontinent as “Asian” for generations now. It’s not a recent P.C. thing. Those from farther to the East, like Chinese, they refer to as “Chinese”, or Korean, or whatever their country of origin might be.