July 30th, 2011

The urge…

to understand a murderer.

15 Responses to “The urge…”

  1. Curtis Says:

    Read your Dalyrmple!

    I believe Sultan Knish has two article on Breivik as well. I thought rickls observation that Breivik was an “isomer” was pretty apt and the following excerpt from rickl dovetails S.K. for the proposition to understand a murderer we need to understand Norway.

    rickl Says:
    July 27th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    The Norwegian government’s refusal to deal with the reality of hostile, separatist, un-assimilated, and violent Muslim enclaves in its midst is what finally forced Breivik’s hand. The proof is that Breivik did not murder Muslims. His was a mainly Caucasian-on-Caucasian, infidel-on-infidel, Norwegian-on-Norwegian massacre. Breivik turned on what he viewed as a fifth column, the Norwegian elite. They had the power to insist that Muslim immigrants speak Norwegian and embrace European Enlightenment values. They refused to do so. His message to Norway’s “progressives” is chillingly clear. Their teenage children, already well indoctrinated, will not live to carry out what Breivik viewed as their parents’ failed multi-cultural policies.

  2. Curtis Says:

    Ooops! Forget the Sultan Knish excerpt:

    When a woman is raped on the steps of the Norwegian parliament, it should be every bit as shocking as Brevik’s massacres, not because their damage is equal, but because they are both wake up calls to a major social problem that cannot be swept under the rug.

  3. Don Carlos Says:

    Is being and will continue to be swept under the Euro rug. There’a a little hope for optimism here, but not a lot.

  4. Curtis Says:

    Swept under the rug, or perhaps another way of saying it is succumbing to information cascade and Wilfred Trotter’s herd-instinct behavior.

    http://tinyurl.com/3dgouuh

  5. rickl Says:

    That wasn’t me, Curtis. I was quoting Phyllis Chesler and a commenter at Belmont Club.

  6. Curtis Says:

    Well, darn. Still good stuff. Sorry about that.

  7. LAG Says:

    Understanding is good, but most people don’t understand a 4-cycle gasoline engine, and that’s easier than understanding someone like Breivik. I’d settle for hearing that he’s dead.

  8. Ray Says:

    If you believe the story of Adam and Eve’s expulsion from the garden of Eden, you believe humans are inclined to do evil and Breivik’s action is an example of that evil. BTW, I do not mean believe the Adam and Eve story is literally true. If you believe that humans are basically good, then Breivik’s action is simply incomprehensible.

  9. Bob From Virginia Says:

    Prof, Barry Rubin pointed out that the Socialist party of Norway is using the same arguments to justify terrorism against Israel as Breivik used to justify his terrorism against their Socialist Youth Camp. Apparently lunatics and knaves in Norway learn from one another.

  10. FenelonSpoke Says:

    That was an excellent article by Dalrymple; Thanks.

  11. Artfldgr Says:

    the freaking spaminator…

    “I assu me that when he was sho oting all thos e peo ple, what was in his mind was the higher good that he thought he was d oing. And that was more real to h im than the ho rror that he was cre ating aro und him.”

    when you get up close, there is little difference

    [too bad each image cant come up for each quote]

    Socia lism is the religion people get when they lose their religion.
    Richard John Neuhaus

    Socia lism is the same as Communism, only better English.
    George Bernard Shaw

    Germany
    doubleU3X .martinfrost.ws/ht mlfiles/mass_grave1.jpg

    doubleU3X .english.illin ois.edu/maps/holo caust/essa ypics/mizocz1.jpg

    Capitalism is war; Socia lism is peace.
    Karl Liebknecht

    soviet russia / satellites
    doubleU3X .indepen dent.co.uk/mult imedia/archive/00348/Pg-34-Pu tin-2-adm_348721s.jpg

    Democracy and Socia lism are means to an end, not the end itself.
    Jawaharlal Nehru

    car olynyeager.com/Sea rching%20for%20Bodies_cy_files/ima ge005.jpg

    Democracy is the road to socialism.
    Karl Marx

    [through spaces in randomly as we cant tell what word phrase etc... makes our post no good]

  12. Artfldgr Says:

    lots of stuff deleted, obfuscated, and toyed with just so i can say something that some program says no to..

    funny… but free speech isnt when you cant talk… is it?

    Socialism, on the contrary, extends its function to the description of society as it should be, and the discovery of the means of making it what it should be.
    Benjamin Tucker

    poland / Warsaw
    2.bp.blogspot.com/_3IPy4irskdQ/TMB7A-yABxI/AAAAAAAAA1Q/6H0QxPr9ZPE/s1600/0000029504_1_web.jpg

    The goal of Socia lism is communism.
    Vladimir Lenin

    Drobitski Yar Kharkov
    2.bp.blogspot.com/_3IPy4irskdQ/TLbn8wSyNgI/AAAAAAAAAnQ/k1lwj-ZwKkk/s1600/0000002086_1_web.jpg

    The New Deal is plainly an attempt to achieve a working Socia lism and avert a social collapse in America; it is extraordinarily parallel to the successive ‘policies’ and ‘Plans’ of the Russian experiment. Americans shirk the word ‘socialism’, but what else can one call it?
    H. G. Wells

    The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.
    Karl Marx

    Tyre Lebanon
    meastpolitics.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/tyremassfuneral.jpg?w=500

    “A world where men and women would be equal is easy to visualize, for that precisely is what the Soviet Revolution promised.” – Simone de Beauvoir, The Second Sex (New York, Random House, 1952), p.806

    “The Women’s Caucus [endorses] Marxist-Leninist thought.” — Robin Morgan, Sisterhood is Powerful, p. 597

    Almost the only persons who may be said to comprehend even approximately the significance, principles, and purposes of Socia lism are the chief leaders of the extreme wings of the Socialistic forces, and perhaps a few of the money kings themselves.
    Benjamin Tucker M

    AMAZING…

    we elect, support, and help such types and we find breviek hard to understand? we delude ourselves…

    And Marx spoke of the fact that Socia lism will be the kingdom of freedom, where man realizes himself in a way that humankind has never seen before. This was an inspiring body of literature to read.
    Albert Maltz

    i would be more curious as to hear them explain why people support the same thing over and over again…

    and there is thousands and thousands more photos and such showing their work..

    want to see the two summed up in two photos?

    what a capitalist did with their money
    doubleU3X .libraryhistorybuff.com/images/pic-carnegie-cartoon-72.jpg

    What socialists did with their money

    Innocent Latvians dumped into the cattle carriages waiting for the departure for Siberia and Arctic

    conflicts.rem33.com/images/The%20Baltic%20States/legion_files/image012.jpg
    [maybe this is where their love of trains comes from?]

    they even turned those that opposed them into monsters..

    DO NOT LOOK AT LINK without a strong stomach

    ‘The road to an independent Ukraine. “On each tree, the executioners of Polish children created the so-called wreath.
    slavgromada.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/2.jpg?w=640

    if you can stomach it, look at the image, and THEN think of Breviek…

    among those in the fight for everything, and control of everything.. breviek was an amateur player

  13. Artfldgr Says:

    “But my guess,” Dr. Dalrymple offers, “is that this man, who was extremely ambitious, didn’t have the talent” to realize his ambitions, whether in politics or other fields. “So while he’s intelligent he didn’t have that ability or that determination to mark himself out in a way that might be more—constructive, shall we say.”

    well..
    in a welfare state with social engineering geared towards equalizing, what DOES one do when one DOES have the drive, DOES have the push, NEVER gives up, and so on?

    i went to bronx science, have worked my life autodidactically, but when i went to start a business, having no contacts, i went to the SBA… only to find out that they wont help me as the 8A program is so overwhelming in help for women, minorities, and gender warriors, that someone like me cant get any help or investment capital.

    i went to go to school, but there is no scholarships or help for someone like me since 1980 or so… been on fast web looking for ANY Scholarship or help i can get for over 20 years.. cant. its all for women minorities and gays… last year texas finally made a scholarship for white males… $400 (and everyone is yelling how cna they do that and want it to be stopped)

    i tried to maneuver into jobs where, being paid 6 figs either in cash or mix of that and compensation (health insurance, etc)… and team up.. but all that happened there was my professional expertise ($400 an hour consulting) was great when i made them a million (did it more than once), but when it was something for me… sorry…

    took me 6 years to maneuver into a position where i am now… then 4 years to build up reputation. then another 5 years work with a socialist passive aggressive… so now after all that, i have nothing, and am locked down, they took control of my home life dictating what i can or cant work on, talk about, have friends…

    so basically since i didnt get the direct education on loaner, nothing i do is good enough… period… my photography isnt good enough as ia m not a woman, minority, connected, or gay…

    product ideas are no good if they come from me. evne if i have a long list of the products as done by others later…

    math solutions are no good if they come from me… even though i have made a living doing math everyday for 30 years at the highest levels of fortune 10 and insurance companies….

    i am an aspergers (not social) child of a refugee whose family was exterminated… we have no social connections here… no money, it was all taken.. nothing.

    and when we moved for 3 years to jersey, i went from inner city slum child, and proof of their social experiemtns, to being a man with white priveledge and who they played games.

    NOTHING i do will work…
    ask neo…

    the merit of the work is meaningless
    i am not the right color, sex or orientation to be allowed to participate.

    and so, i would say, that in this case dalyrymple is wrong… as he believes merit wins out… but that was before, not now..

    so even if this person was smart, capable and driven. if he didnt do it the proscribed way having the necessary co9nenctions, money, etc… then in this new socialist world of equals, nothing he does willl work.

    and i can see a weaker mind than me, wanting to fix it.. and the ONLY groups offering ANY hand to this end, are not conservative… they are radical… as conservative versions are not strong enough to stand up in a reasonable way, and be painted as radical.

    so… there is no place to go to get support
    there is no plae to bring your work and if you persevere as they tell you to, and the 99% persperation and all that. your a nutter that one give up…

    yesterday, HArdy found ramanujan
    today, ramanujan would be written off and all the other autodidacts through istory… and self made men.

    why?

    because they had not been approved by the new order to earn, exist, procreate etc.. (slow genocide by anemic life).

    so tell me where i can bring a circuit that can search strings on your desktop faster than 60,000 computers at Celera?

    where do you bring a sniper detection system (for detecting them before they shoot)?

    where do you bring new calibration equipment?

    where do yoy bring math formuleas and process..

    want to simulate multicellular lifes capacity to solve problems given man entities? i broke how to simulate it, have simulated parts of it… etc..

    but no one will listen… my education didnt include writing, or a coach, or anyone to help me that way..

    my education was to be homless on a park bench, sleep on my aunts couch most of the time… and go to school for a certificate at 21… yes. continuing education at 21, with all the old people loking to be retrained…

    its all i could afford… sleep on park bencn, attend classes, and all that.. and ny winters are not a picnic.

    where does one take such ideas, solutions and such?

    well, if your a “protected class” like women, minoritis, gays, ex convicts (just added to the list by the way), and so on.. then its easy… as they will give you hand outs to try and try and try till you prove them right..

    but if your like breviek, you find you cant go to school… as you cant score more than a perfect score to get yor score high enough to be accepted..

    i posted articles here as to how a chinese person a jewish person or white male, needs scores a couple of hundred points higher than a spanish, islamic, or african applicant..

    if their score is anywhere near good.
    your score cant be better than 100% which is not enough points to be accepted!!!!

    so what does one do after 35 years of autodidactic effort to find out that they should have just sat around, went to parties and such, as no matter what you do, have, or can do… your not to be allowed, as they have designe the future, and your not in it.

    funny… eh?

    so smarties… where does one bring socially acceptable good things that people have written articles that they need that you solved?

  14. neo-neocon Says:

    Artfldgr: I think the spam filter blocks the word “cialis” because of spam involving the drug Cialis. The problem is that “cialis” is part of the word “socialism” and it sometimes (not always) will block that, too.

    See this for a comic riff I once did on the subject.

  15. Ymarsakar Says:

    Btw, to toot my own horn, I was the one that found that out through extensive testing I believe.

    Which, of course, I now see that is mentioned in the link, so that was kind of redundant…

    People use violence because they want to get something with it. So if they think their violence won’t be enough or that it will be countered by people like you all, the well armed citizens of a pseudo Spartan nation…, then they may try to find a better way to get what they want, without using violence.

    Violence is just a tool. If all the predators have this tool and you don’t, guess who’s going on the meal trolley

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