November 7th, 2011

In a completely predictable development in the Cain case…

…Gloria Allred digs up another Cain accuser, Sharon Bialek, who ups the ante and accuses him of genital groping in a car in July of 1997. In another enormous surprise, the accuser failed to report the offense to the NRA or to come forward until now.

There is absolutely nothing other than fear of notoriety to stop anyone who’s ever had any contact with Herman Cain from making such as allegation if she so chooses. And some people, of course, are attracted to notoriety. As more women come forward and accuse Cain in this way, people who are already inclined to think Cain guilty will believe that this constitutes a pattern of behavior on his part.

But if these claims are going to have any credibility at all, there will either need to have been witnesses to the act and/or compelling evidence of it (which is almost never the case), and/or the accuser is at least going to have to have filed an official claim with the authorities at the time and be willing to talk now and reveal her identity and the specifics of that claim (the latter assumes a release from any settlement that would bar such discussion; the Cain accusers were offered such a release from the NRA but declined). Otherwise, a gaggle of women could come forward and it would not tell us much—except that there’s a bandwagon to be jumped on and a reputation to smear.

Oh, and by the way, my position has nothing to do with the alleged perpetrator being a Republican in this case. I would and do feel the same no matter what the political orientation of the accused. For example, Juanita Broaddrick has no credibility as far as I’m concerned (see this for one example of why), and I’m always amazed every time an otherwise seemingly fair-minded Republican cites her as “the woman Bill Clinton raped.” There’s plenty of evidence that Clinton was/is a womanizer, but next to none that he ever coerced or threatened anyone.

[ADDENDUM: By the way, just to be clear, I believe it is most definitely possible that Cain is guilty as charged. But there is no way to know at this point; the sort of evidence I require is simply unavailable so far. I also believe that Cain has been wounded by this and will not be the nominee. But then again, I never thought he would be the nominee.]

21 Responses to “In a completely predictable development in the Cain case…”

  1. Promethea Says:

    If Cain was such a womanizer, every one who worked with him would have known about it. There are no secrets in business organizations.

  2. Occam's Beard Says:

    Maybe Cain should have smoked crack, hung out with terrorists, and solicited the advice of communists. You know, ho-hum “doesn’t everybody?” kind of stuff, kinda like having overdue library books and tearing the tags off of mattresses.

    But a totally unsubstantiated allegation of going in for some slap and tickle fourteen years ago – that’s where we draw the line, by God!

    Hell, I don’t care even if it is true, which I doubt. The Reds have to do better than this. Some forged documents would help. Lucy Ramirez, step up to the plate. Your Party needs you!

  3. Artfldgr Says:

    and some people who serve state agencies have given their lives for the purpose of such actions.

    the point is common people dont know that, or have anything to base it on, while those more educated in what actually happens in the world, and the differences, cant be so fast and quick to ignore other things.

    one point is that once again…

    There is absolutely no play by other countries and such… right?

    so far not ONE persons surmizing or yours neo takes in the facts which we know…

    its as if your brain has been turned off and says, no, cant think of that, it can never be, and then you erase any reference or possiblity of it.

    bezzubyye?

    they are operatives who use XRAY to open up safe… the term means… no teeth.. the Xrays destroy the nerves in their teeth… and so its a job in which all who learn, do it, and such die of radiation poisoning and cancer.

    but we cant imagine a woman doing that…

    Margaretha Geertruida Zelle? she dies after being caught… but her fame is legendary

    Diana Oughton, Ted Gold, and Terry Robbins died making bombs for the left…

    A Communist front organization is an organization alleged to be a front organization under the effective control of a Communist party, the Communist International or other Communist organizations.

    Lenin originated the idea in his manifesto of 1902, “What Is to Be Done?”. Since the party was illegal in Russia, he proposed to reach the masses through “a large number of other organizations intended for wide membership and, which, therefore, can be as loose and as public as possible,”

    Generally called “mass organizations” by the Communists themselves these groups were prevalent from the 1920s through the 1950s, with their use accelerating during the Popular Front period of the 1930s. The term has also been used to refer to organizations not originally Communist-controlled which after a time became so, such as the American Student Union.

    a question to ask is, is she a “swallow”?

    Clayton J. Lonetree?
    Lonetree is the first US Marine to be convicted of spying against the United States…Lonetree, who was stationed in Moscow as a guard at the US Embassy in the early 1980s, confessed in 1987 to selling documents to the Soviet Union. Lonetree was entrapped by a 25-year-old female Soviet officer named “Violetta Seina” He was then blackmailed into handing over documents when he was assigned to Vienna. These documents included the blueprints of the US Embassy buildings in Moscow and Vienna and the names and identities of US undercover intelligence agents in the Soviet Union.

    he turned himself in…

    so the idea of a woman stepping forward from nowhere and manipulating outcomes that have bearings on world politics is never any such thing… is inane…

    would you believe that there is a whole section in other countries state organs whose job is to try to get things on people who are moving up or may be some place so that later on you have them…

    from wiki on humint…
    in the section of honypots

    The Soviets used sex not only for direct recruitment, but as a contingency where an American officer might need to be compromised in the future.

    Examples of people trapped by sexual means include:

    Roy Rhodes, a US Army NCO serving at the US embassy in Moscow, had a one-night stand (or was made to believe he had) with a Soviet agent while drunk. He was later told the agent was pregnant, and that unless he co-operated with the Soviet authorities, this would be revealed to his wife.

    not to far from a common American occurrence, is it?

    Irvin C. Scarbeck, was photographed in compromising positions…

    (in another case, someone was photographed for such, but when they tried to blackmail him, he asked if he could have copies to show other people as he was proud of it!!!)

    you see.. people like barney are controlled… his living situation is not allowed to affect him, and so, for holding it at bay,he does what his keepers want… but the second he doesnt? they let the news rip him on his lifestyle.

    in such a soviet systems, EVERYONE who is allowed to play have some dirt on them. clean players, are removed from the board…

    Sharon Scranage was seduced..

    Mordechai Vanunu, who had disclosed Israeli nuclear secrets, began an affair with an American Mossad agent, Cheryl Bentov, operating under the name “Cindy” and masquerading as an American tourist, on September 30, 1986. She persuaded him to fly to Rome, Italy, with her on a holiday. Once in Rome, Mossad agents drugged him and smuggled him to Israel on a freighter.

    John Vassall, a British civil servant who was guided by the KGB into having sex with multiple male partners while drunk. The KGB then used photographs of this to blackmail Vassall into providing them with secret information.

    heck… ANYONE SEE MADAME BUTTERFLY?

    americans new free open society of sex makes such things much easier.. as its easy to bribe someone to stand up and take it… and our culture and everything will work to protect them

    so its a PERFECT way to select and remove MALES.

    the public, just as neo’s articles and everyone elses points NEVER NEVER NEVER consider that the person may work for someone, or may even be blackmailed in the background…

    would you believe that they have already updated the wiki for Cain to include her?

    this is way too coordinated..

    the link “Sharon Bialek – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia”

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharon_Bialek
    jumps to herman cain!!!

    but does not mention her name…

    Sharon Bialek gets 404,000 hits in a search?
    13,400 for her name in quotes…

    sure looks like everything was set up ahead of time, so when her name appears, and you do a search… things alreay point to things..

    Bialek said that she met Mr. Cain during a conference for the National Restaurant Association when she worked for the NRA’s education foundation in Chicago during 1996. Says Cain invited her and her boyfriend to a private party in his hotel suite.

    and her “story” is something only a feminist woudl believe…

    “I thought that we were going into the offices so that he could show me around. I was wearing a black pleated skirt, a blouse and a suit jacket. He had on a suit jacket without a tie. Instead of going in he suddenly reached over and put his hand on my leg, under my skirt and reached for my genitals. He also grabbed my head and brought it towards his crotch. I was surprised and shocked and I said, “What are you doing? You know I have a boyfriend. This is not what I came here for.” Mr. Cain said, “You want a job, right?”. I asked him to stop and he did. I asked him to take me back to my hotel which he did.”

    any guy here think a man with any brains would do that AFTER 1980s?

    Allred wouldn’t let the press ask Bialek any questions. She says Bialek is not filing any claim against Cain or the NRA. She adds that Bialek approached her, but is not interested in selling her story.

    a PERFECT honey pot…
    a potential “swallow”…

    but basically, a person to provide the seed of almost real for the left and feminists to rail upon.

    go ahead… pick up the next edition of ladies magazines to see how this all works… the angle will be that women never lie, and so on… as it always is… and that hearsay isnt hearsay when they say it…

    pavlovian and skinnerian responses are to take her side… as is to ignore other potentials…

    TWO presidential candidates who would NOT favor the socialist countries and such, have just both been neutralized by honey pots, whether actual or not, remains…

  4. Don Carlos Says:

    This is a mere symptom of America’s dumbing down, the triumph of trivial tabloid journalism, and an obvious, perhaps successful, effort by the MSM (aka Dept of Propaganda) to distract, nay drive off, any coverage of the profound issues before us. For which the Beltways insiders, like the Eurocrats, have no meaningful remedies.

    The news the sheeple get today is this plus Dr. Murray’s conviction. That’s it. God must surely love the stupid and the ignorant, because he’s helping the Dems make so many of them.

    Me? I’m clinging to my guns, religion, and gold. Made a 2nd contrib. to Cain. Whether or not the claims are true, they are immaterial to the issues before us.

    The trivialization of the American mind.

  5. Curtis Says:

    Kind of ironic how the free market produces a Pravda press better than the Soviets did.

  6. stan Says:

    Juanita told someone of the Clinton rape immediately after it happened and IIRC went to the hospital where a nurse remembers her and the fact that her lip was nearly bitten off her face.

    She also had a very, very good reason from keeping her mouth shut. She owned a business that was regulated by the corrupt Clintons and their political machine.

  7. Perfected democrat Says:

    “would you believe that they have already updated the wiki for Cain to include her?

    this is way too coordinated..”

    From http://www.hawaii-nation.org/paulharvey.html:

    “Paul Harvey

    The Rest of the Story

    “Now, the rest of the story. Away from the headlines and the television cameras, down in the shadowy realms where U.S. foreign policy shakes hands with the devil, there will forever be a fascination with the case that we’re about to discuss, about a handful of Americans living overseas, acting independently perhaps and for their reasons, or perhaps the United States government did itself carefully, quietly engineer the overthrow of a friendly monarchy. The kingdom’s queen surely suspected the latter…”

    Thanks Art(fldgr), sometimes your comments and associations are just so “spot on”!

  8. neo-neocon Says:

    stan: there is absolutely no question that Broaddrick is a liar.

    She swore in an affidavit in the Jones case that Clinton didn’t sexually assault her:

    During the 1992 Presidential campaign there were unfounded rumors and stories circulated that Mr. Clinton had made unwelcome sexual advances toward me in the late seventies. Newspaper and tabloid reporters hounded me and my family, seeking corroboration of these tales. I repeatedly denied the allegations and requested that my family’s privacy be respected. These allegations are untrue and I had hoped that they would no longer haunt me, or cause further disruption to my family.

    Later, of course, she alleged they were true (although not, to the best of my knowledge, under oath). So she was either lying (and committing perjury as well) in the Jones case, or lying later. Take your pick. To me, she’s a liar and all her testimony is suspect.

    And the fact that a nurse (who was not a nurse at a hospital officially treating her, but rather a colleague and friend at the convention with her) says her lip was swollen and she told her the story at the time is not convincing to me, either.

    Let me tell you where I’m coming from on this, and why I say it’s not convincing to me. I happen to be familiar with Massachusetts divorce law as it was under the fault system. It required marital fault (such as hitting, for example) to get a divorce, and the fact of the assault had to be corroborated by a witness. When that was the law, in order to obtain a divorce people regularly perjured themselves and got friends to perjure themselves in order to corroborate their testimony.

    People lie very often in such situations; that’s my cynical point of view, and that’s why I am suspicious of all such claims in the absence of strong evidence or going to authorities at the time and having the injury properly documented. Broaddrick’s claim is especially weak because of her history of being a liar (and, if you believe her rape story, also a perjurer).

  9. neo-neocon Says:

    stan: more on Broaddrick and more on the nurse, Kelsey (and by the way, Broaddrick certainly was a liar to her first husband, because she was cheating on him at the time of the alleged rape):

    Five people say Broaddrick told them about the rape immediately after it occurred. A friend and co-worker named Norma Kelsey says that, 21 years ago, she found a dazed Broaddrick with bloodied lip and torn pantyhose in their shared hotel room and Broaddrick explained that Clinton had just raped her. (Clinton is supposed to have bitten her on the lip just before raping her.) Her current husband–then her lover–says Broaddrick told him about the rape within a few days of the event. Broaddrick was, at the time, married to another man, whom she didn’t tell about the assault. And three of Broaddrick’s friends–one of whom is Kelsey’s sister–say she told them about the rape shortly after it supposedly occurred.

    [The “Clinton Is Innocent” camp says the following]: The friends’ testimony isn’t trustworthy. Kelsey and her sister have a grudge against Clinton because, as governor, he commuted the life sentence of the man who murdered their father. Broaddrick’s current husband might lie on her behalf. Moreover, even if the friends are telling the truth, Broaddrick might have been lying 21 years ago. There is limited evidence that her first husband was abusive, so maybe she cooked up the story to explain a bloody lip he had given her. And if she was raped, why didn’t she tell her own husband?

  10. Promethea Says:

    Since I like Cain, I want him to be innocent. So here’s my imagined plot:

    George Soros and David Axelrod concoct a plan to destroy Cain by hiring a convincing actress to impersonate a propositioned woman. They work with Gloria Allred to come up with a plausible sequence of events to make Cain look bad.

    They set the stage beforehand by having some alleged propositioned women say that they were propositioned, but they don’t reveal the names. Meanwhile, forged documents are created to establish the records at the hotels. Other needed papers are also doctored. Soros has the money to do this. It just takes a bit of planning.

    Very clever plot, if I do say so myself.

  11. foxmarks Says:

    As this sideshow continues, I suggest that Cain is becoming the best conservative candidate to defeat Obama.

    Romney is not a conservative. He gets more of the squishy middle, but loses most of the principled conservative vote. Barry wins in a low-turnout election.

    If anyone else (not Cain) surges to the nomination, it reinforces the lefty stereotype of the GOP. The squishy middle is not voting for any of them, and the righteous Progs can get all motivated for another charge against their righty bogeyman. Another Texan blowhard…the wicked witch of the north…a resurrection of their enemy in the 90s…Dr. Crackpot? Listening to Prog radio tells me they would love to take on any of those “wackos”.

    Cain shakes up the established order. He splits the squishy middle, and has the charisma to keep the righties sufficiently fired up. Cain is the candidate for Joe Sixpack, for the middle class blacks, and everyone who wants to make a statement against political correctness and the overt nanny state.

    The Cain coalition wins in swing states, and Barry loses.

    The evangelical factions that will now suspect Cain’s faithfulness/character would rather have a charismatic sinner than a monotonous Mormon.

    Unless, as Neo writes, we get some credible evidence that Cain did something actionable. Absent that, he’s the wedge that splits the bi-factional ruling party and shatters the leftosphere.

  12. Occam's Beard Says:

    I don’t think the idea is to destroy Cain; it’s just to stir the soup, and give the impression that any and all Republican candidates have clouds over them. If I were orchestrating such a campaign, I wouldn’t try to knock out any of the present candidates, but rather just see to it that they walked into press conferences with toilet paper stuck to their shoes.

    The problem with knocking anyone out is that the opposing party might blindside you with a dark horse candidate you hadn’t previously considered/ investigated/ smeared. Why risk a wild card candidate when you can arrange to face a damaged known one?

  13. Curtis Says:

    If Bialek had been a cleaning lady in the hotel, the headline would have read: Nut screws washer and bolts.

  14. Curtis Says:

    Sounds more like by-a-lick got a case of jungle fever and upon not receiving her looked for prescription carried the fever, latent, until such time as she could once again enter into consideration. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. That to me makes as much sense as “he pulled my head into his crotch.”

  15. foxmarks Says:

    Curtis, you remind me that I question the physical dynamics of her description. How can a fellow manage a simultaneous crotch attack and head pull? They were in a car, presumably beside each other in the front seats. To make the moves described, Cain is a gymnast or Stretch Armstrong.

    Say he went for the panties first. Then she didn’t say “stop” until he went for the headpull, a clear second move. We need CSI or Monk or Columbo to recreate the event.

    I wonder if she can tell us anything about the car. But of course she’s not answering questions.

    Maybe she’s not quite presenting the whole story…facts get fuzzy after 14 years stored in memory. Or maybe she is describing what she thought happened. The multi-cultis hold that everyone’s truth is as valid as any other.

  16. Don Carlos Says:

    1) What’s in it for Allred?
    2) How does an unknown from CHI suddenly become a “client” of Allred? Sought Allred out, huh? In what legal context? And what’s in it for Bialek? Surely more than 15 min of fame. She’s not suing anyone, so she says.
    3) Travel and other costs incurred?
    4) Somebody’s footing the bills.

    Follow the money.

  17. Curtis Says:

    We need to recreate this one on the holo-deck.

    I can’t imagine Cain doing something so crass and vulgar and it angers me that what is most likely happening is a smear by volume tactic. I hope all tea party candidates are taking notes and preparing their congressional and senate campaigns accordingly. I do take comfort in the general rule: Live by the sword, die by the sword.

  18. Occam's Beard Says:

    1) What’s in it for Allred?

    Publicity, and therefore well-heeled clients.

  19. RandomThoughts Says:

    foxmarks, you crack me up, in the best way: Say he went for the panties first. Then she didn’t say “stop” until he went for the headpull, a clear second move. We need CSI or Monk or Columbo to recreate the event… Seriously, the scenario is ridiculous when one actually tries to envision it.

    Artfldgr, I wish I didn’t have to work so hard and wade so far to get to your points. They’re good ones. I can well believe this is an orchestrated effort to destroy Cain’s political ambitions.

    I can’t get past Allred bringing the accuser to the press. Everything she does is calculated to get her own face in the media while simultaneously destroying someone else’s career.

  20. Parker Says:

    Its 14 years after the alleged assault. Now she conveniently contacts Allred just in time to smear Cain as he surges forward and somehow this is supposed to be credible? This doesn’t pass the sniff test. It stinks like a dead skunk in the middle of the road.

    Cain needs to stomp on this like a cockroach in a third world hotel. His should sue for defamation of character and bring this out into the open.

  21. J.J. formerly Jimmy J. Says:

    Let’s see, John Edwards had a child with his mistress while running for President. However, the MSM never knew a thing nor did they suspect a thing. Only the Enquirer found the story and finally made them hold their noses and barely acknowledge it. Does it make sense that these crack investigators have now been able to run to ground all these allegations and suddenly produce a living, breathing, talking woman to accuse Herman Cain of being a serial sexual harrasser.? My, the tiger has changed its stripes.

    There should be credit card records for the hotel, restaurant, car, etc. Has Gloria Allred, or any of the MSM pursued those? Why were no questions allowed of Ms Bialick? Are their any witnesses, friends, etc. who can verify Bialick’s story? Short of some strong corroborating evidence, this is a classic she said, he said story. There was no harm, no foul, no laws broken except…….one of the parties is running for President. Electronic lynching? Sure looks that way for now. Hope Herman has his ducks lined up and defends himself vigorously.

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